Jin'rohk, The Great Apocalypse
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you're thinking of Jin'rohk the destroyer of worlds, its weird that they look the same isnt it ?
its ZIN'rohk, destroyer of worlds....
not trying to stick the hunterdick into this weapon cuz im not saying its a hunter weapon but does haste affect the ranged attack speed of a hunter?
Yes it does, and don't worry about the hunter thing. A few very lucky MS warriors and ret paladins will get this, but there will be many that drop with only a hunter present. However your tank may want it for off-spec.
Ugh U'd love this on my hunter, the haste makes it a great marks hunter wep. But if theres a war or pally that is in the group theres no chance in hell at me getting it :( Better for a war/pally than a hunter unfortunatly >.<
Dude he wasn't saying it's a hunter weapon, he was asking if the haste rating effects ranged. Learn to read before you flame! And in responce to the previous post, yes it does effect your ranged haste.
Maybe you should learn to read idiot. He wasnt flaming the guy, he was just saying that its probablly that a hunter would get this weapon since there arent a large amount of MS raiding warriors or ret pallies.
Did you even read his post?
mucho stam and slow attack speed means it would definitely be good for an MS warrior. i can't speak to much else because my only char is a warrior
What are you talking about not raid viable... Some of the best slam rot. warriors use a build that includes ms so they can get the bloodfrenzy debuff along with it... Hell, most slam warriors go for ms until they get the massive amounts of ap required to make bloodthirst godly.
If your referring to the fact that most raid dps warriors dual wield... Ms is just as good as dual wielding and can be better if the slam warrior isn't a huntard and knows how to do a rotation while clipping white attacks as little as possible. Further more, slam warriors don't require the same amount of +hit as dual wielding warriors and cap at 145 making it easier for them to spend more money on gems with stats for higher crit and ap. Not only that but, we won't miss like dual warriors do with their offhand quite often until they waste an obscene amount of yellow gemslots on +hit while slam can use those for their +crit.
Now commenting on the weapon... It's a very nice weapon because it's damage per hit is based on a 3.7 attack speed, yet it has haste and would work well with some haste gear to get a nice tight slam rotation. Also, it's not true that slower is better for slam rotation warriors. It's just that usually fast weapons don't hit hard... if you can get a slow weapon and speed it up to around 3.2 your gonna be doing way more damage than a weapon at 3.5+. However, if you have flurry (which you should as a slam warrior), you should calculate what that's gonna put your speed at and make sure you have more than 2.8 unless you have 0 latency and super cat like reflexes and can do a rotation at 2.6.
basically you can figure how much time you need by looking at what times you usually hit shit... in a perfect world you'd hit slam .4 seconds before a white attack and then after that white attack would only have 1.1 seconds till your instant which would then leave you with 1.5 seconds till you can use slam again +.1-.2 seconds based on reaction time. thats 2.6+ seconds there so your attack speed needs to be higher than that.
Oh yeah... i know some nub is gonna say slam resets your white attack and you can't use it before a hit, which is true except that .5 seconds before a white attack you can see yourself winding up for a swing... at this point you can use slam without stopping your white attack since the attack is already in motion. Try it if you don't believe me...
Nice sword though, gratz to whoever obtains this beast.
As an extra addition to the last part of the above post.
Be smart and download Quartz. It has a build-in swingtimer so you see when your attack starts to land.
You find it at www.curse.com
reminds me of the ZG 2h sword off last boss called Zin'rokh something like that. Looks like it and names sorta the same
yes, this would make a good hunter weapon, but
all that hunters really look at is the stats on it, and a good hunter almost never melees, where as a ret pally or warrior, all they do is melee, making it more useful for melee classes.
570 top end damage is amazing for a 2H weapon, and it kills me to think that some hunter would be putting that to waste when a warrior could be using that every fight. as for your arguments that MS warriors are totally useless in raids, you are incorrect. like was stated before, they have the debuff that increases all physical damage taken by the target by 4%. on top of that, if you put them in a group with other warriors, they can stack shouts, and depending on the way they have specced (MS / fury so they have commanding presence), their shouts would be more effective than that of a purely prot specced warrior, which apparently is the spec everybody thinks that every warrior should be, despite the fact that MS and fury warriors make some of the best damage dealing classes in the game. or maybe, you all do realize that and are just jealous of that and possibly embarrased when you see that you are lower on the damage charts, so you all cry and say "nerf warriors to tanks blizz." in my opinion i think it is a load of bullshit when people say warriors aren't supposed to do dps, and the people who do say that are either
a) people who can't move past pre BC when all warriors did was tank
or
b) disgruntled players who are mad at the fact that they have inferior dps than the warriors arond them
anyway, i think it's a great weapon, and congradulations to whoever gets it
and that ends my ranting session for the day
MS warrios can be some of the bread and butter of all raids. I happen to have 3 lvl 70 warriors each one specced diferently, i also have 1 lvl 70 rogue. all of these have tier 6 raidng gear and i have to say out of all of these my MS warrior deals the most dmg.
Lol, GL in pvp, oh so great prot warrior.
lawlipwnretadins...
seems all u do wit ur life is sit on thottbot and flame people...some people actually post useful things, maybe u should take their example. bet if u couldnt hide ur face behind the anonymity of the internet u wouldnt have the courage to insult people.
i would let a warr get this over me and then i would roll on it if another one dropped. there are so many nice weps out there for us hunters, but if a warr already had better sure i would take it. i dont kno about pally priority on this but thats just because i dont kno much about pallies. if someone could post a decent argument for pallies (meaning exactly the opposite of lawlipwnretadins type of posts)then i would be happy to read it and consider it.
as for ur comment about hunters arent supposed to melee...obviously. u seem to forget though thats exactly why warrs and rogues and all try to get us to melee. if someone somehow manages to get into melee with me, i want a slow wep to hit them with a big raptor strike before i wingclip and run away to shoot at them. that being said, of course i would still give this to the melee classes first.
im with the melee classes on this one for priority, but i still would pick it up if i could and if the melee classes didnt need it.
for those of u who are reasonable, please let me kno if i am wwrong about anything and about the pally thing. for the rest of u, flame away(especially lawlipwnretadins, this is a invitation for u to do wat u do best)!
Good for hunters, better for warriors and rets, and btw I have never been outdpsed by a hunter with similar gear level and I have been playing for 2.5 years as dps warrior...
You haven't been playing with many good hunters then. A bst hunter would decimate any speccd wars dps of the same tiered gear. Even a decently geared MM speccd hunter could out dps ms/fury war. Enh shammies also can outdps wars on a regular basis solely based on their TF crits. Maybe if you had the Warglaives then I would believe it.
But Pre-Bc a war outdpsing a hunter meant one of several things: 1) The hunter had crappy gear and had no knowledge at all of what a shot rotation was 2) The hunter was severely undergeared or 3) You're bullshitting. I mean it did happen on occasion. I was fortunate enough to be guilded with the best dps war in our server (Kali wotwot) and he repeatedly beat me on the meters...until my gear caught up. Then it was a matter of what boss we were doing.
"Why do hunters get so much hate?"
Because 95% of people on a server roll hunters, and 94% have no idea how to use them. And from your post I'm kinda guessing you one of the 94%.
But this isn't a bad hunter weapon. The extra stam can be nice for those times when your GOING to get hit (Hunters will get hit, even in PVE, ever heard of AOE Boss Effects?), The attack power is amazing, and haste is very nice since haste effects all hunter abilities. But, a hunter shouldn't be rolling on this is a Warrior or Pally wants it. Because we hunters are only in this for the stats, while a pally or warrior will be able to use its amazing DPS and the stats. So yeah hunters do have a right to this, but only after the classes that can utilize this the best have it or don't want it.
Shadowcatch
70 Hunter, Kilrogg
Nvm, I just calculate it myself !!
The DPS of this baby gets to 134,15 with the +45 haste rating on it !
Means it has the same basic DPS than the S3 2h weapons
As a Hunter, I would be against rolling for this unless no one except me needed it...
First 'o all, Trollbane is better but is indeed harder to get, but Trollbane oversteps this by a longshot...
Let the Warrior/Paladin get this, and then have them use that to rape the boss for your Trollbane... As if you have this then step it up for Trollbane, you just wasted alot of time...
If I had a good gun, another Hunter has a rifle that isn't as good as mine, I would let him have the upgrade, due to the increase of DPS for our raid that he would generate... Sure you loose a drop - But you get more DPS allowing you to raid Faster...
Hunters shouldn't get this, go for Trollsbane
Compare Jin'rohk to S3 axe, which is seen by every other class as ridiculously unfair because almost every hunter can get one.
Jin'rokh is going to be an upgrade from this "godly" axe for almost every hunter.
HOWEVER, hunters, don't be idiots. Let the classes that rely on gear more than you do get their upgrades. you can cheer when Zul'jin drops his bow.
Yup, Jin'rohk is awesome for us Retadins. I am deff going to replaced my Savagery Gorhowl with this, not sure if im going to get Mongoose or Savagery. Cuz its missing crit and already has AP.
if any hunter that knows how to play his class, and knows how to mess with his or her stats, would obviously pass this on to a ret pally or a war. all i have to say is -> http://thottbot.com/i34014 to all the hunters, see the armor reduction at the bottom? that makes up for the lack of ap compared to this. you also get higher dps, more stamina, better crit (more resilience) and hell, even hit rating. if you chose not to pass this sword on to a war or pally, then you have no idea how to play your class. (and btw, getting 1000 arena points is quite easy. you dont have to be that great, you can even lose most of the time.) im sure youll get that axe before you even see this sword, if you think this sword would be better for you.
seriously if u say u cant get 1k arena points for ur season 3 weapon and pass this to a melee class then gg ur loot whore. but if no pally or warrior needs it sure go for it...
The problem with the hunter class is that their are so many idiots out there that bring down our class and btw if a warrior using 2h wep is out dpsing a hunter then that hunter does not know how to play( a good fury warrior duel wielding is a different matter). Remember not all hunters are crap (90% probably are) and its unfair to have a dig at hunters that actually stack haste to get their ideal wep speed from a slow ranged wep. Remember haste mainly comes from BT/hyjal alot of players will not see them while they might well see and clear all of ZA (does not require 25 skilled players only 10) Theirs miles better weaps out there for warriors paladins and arguably hunters 2 specially the arena one but like I said if someones got their mind on stacking haste this would be the ideal melee wep for a hunter to go for. Enough said stop flaming hunters its not our fault majority of our class is other classes that failed rerolled and thought hunter would be ez mode :) .
This is an excellent hunter item (Stam+Haste+AP = hunter goodness!)!
As a dedicated prot warrior, I slapped on a minor beastslaying glow to it and wear it around town :D
Ppl can argue about this all day but its this simple: hunters shudnt be allowed to roll against arms warriors or ret pallys on this, why? because they only want it for the stats and not as a main weapon, if a warrior/rogue was given an epic ranged weapon tht was awesome for hunters just because they gained 2ap the hunter wud flip out, id never roll against a hunter on a ranged weapon because at the end of the day you have raid with these ppl and screwing them over on loot thats better for them thn u is screwing yourself in the longrun
Nice and slow. Just how we warrs like it. This swoed rox
EDIT: 4.0 Spd, not 4.9 typo.
And ive done all except for Hyjal and BT.
OK. Im not going to take the time to read your half incoherent mash-up of numbers awith stats from S2 and S3 gear, but i read the last paragraphs. i think i get the general gist of it. For the sake of your argument ill assume most of you calcs are correct
ur argument=More white damage (If one of you guys managed to read that crap up above and i got the main point wrong, Skip to paragraph 2 plz =)
One thing you failed to think about is that white damage has severe limitations now adays.
1Ex-try taking on a feral druid with white damage. 75% damage red in white damge? youll lose.
Crusader procs are unmitigated with no improving resistance against holy damage
=holy damage better against any class with decent armor
(Druid, Hunter, Paladin, Warrior, Shadow Priest, Shaman OH CRAP THATS ALMOST ALL OF THEM!!!!)
Now what you were correct about-there arent any endgame weapons with 4.0wpsd i didnt think about it the thoughts were just streaming out my head.
2Now my big problem.L2F*CKING READ RETARD I specifically said STORMHERALD IS DIFFICULT TO GET I KNOW THAT and you got all mad about me presuming that you were a good enough player to eventually get it. Forgive me but with enough time you should be able to get it.
And another L2READ-I SAID 3.55ISH and your nitpicking over .01 came at something i clearly described as not exact with ISH
And btw, without one of those epic, endgame, hard-to-get weapons you spoke of, try doing well in the arena as a Ret pally. Walk in with a blue weapon id give you a 1050 rating if you lucky
All of the issues u addressed had nothing to do with what i said
Ex- I NEVER said i had a 1050 rating with all blues (L2read) I have FULL endgame epics from SSC, hyjal, and 1 or 2 from BT, and 3/5 S3 and 2/5 S2.
OK even tho 95% of your arguement was calling me the noob in blues who sucks at arena, ill continue...
Ex-YOU said 1/4 epic maces "Again, maybe im just nub to these badass epics but i only see 4 3.8 weps... rest are faster? So ur aim is to get 1 of the 4 maces that currently exist?"
-You said the epics were hard to get not me (L2Read)
Next- If your only raiding Kael and havent downed him yet dont tell me to pick up better gear. My guild is farming BT and i got enough dkp to start picking some gear lately. I just got Torch of the Damned, but im still testing which is better , ToD damage or the stun proc for Stormherald
More- Looking at an overall progression of a raid, that insignificant 1% inc proc chance for Scommand Is actually 5% more over a course of a raid. Which is very significant. But i wouldnt expect you to know that since you guys are still stuck on Kael (L2Increase raid efficiency)
In Conclusion- Almost every statement you made had to do with your initial misinterpretation that I was in all blues, and you calling me a noob who doesnt know how to get welfare epics.
PS- Two things:
1 Do not ask me to tell you my character name like a noob, i am not going to post my name on Thott, nor do i care whether or not you believe that we are farming BT
2 I am perfectly fine with you trying to find flaws in my theory about Jin'rhok. Theories are meant to be tested, and had you found a flaw, then your improvement would have made me a better player. But you didnt. You simply called me a noob in your entire rebuttal.
Learn some humility
Math...hurting...brain...
It is amusing in all honesty.
I would never roll on a bow despite its awesome stats vs a hunter, because regardless of how much I benefit from them as a warrior, a ranged weapon is a hunters primary weapon.
The stats are excellent for a hunter, but regardless of them a hunter will never melee in a PvE environment.
Retri pallies are raid viable. MS warriors are extremely raid viable and this weapon is excellent for both of them.
So if either is present and has a need for it. They should get prio over hunters hands down.
Just curious, whats you beef with raiding ret pallies?
Thanks to recent patch improvements:
Increase Crit 3% for EVERYONE w/ Imp SoCrusader
Increase Damage 2% for EVERYONE w/ Imp Sanctity Aura
Can rival damage of any other dps class with talent Vengeance (Max 15% Physical AND Holy damage increase)
Not only rivals damage, but increases everyone else's damage as well.
In the past Ret pallies def were terrible for raiding and really were very rarely allowed to raid anyway. The recent improvements have made them much more viable than adding another rogue/warrior/mage to your raiding roster. Those classes can get all the endgame gear they want, they are not going to match +3%crit and +2% damage for the entirety of the raid.
Get out of the past and think smart u conservative bum lawl
Just curious, whats you beef with raiding ret pallies?
Thanks to recent patch improvements:
Increase Crit 3% for EVERYONE w/ Imp SoCrusader
Increase Damage 2% for EVERYONE w/ Imp Sanctity Aura
Can rival damage of any other dps class with talent Vengeance (Max 15% Physical AND Holy damage increase)
Not only rivals damage, but increases everyone else's damage as well.
In the past Ret pallies def were terrible for raiding and really were very rarely allowed to raid anyway. The recent improvements have made them much more viable than adding another rogue/warrior/mage to your raiding roster. Those classes can get all the endgame gear they want, they are not going to match +3%crit and +2% damage for the entirety of the raid.
Get out of the past and think smart u conservative bum lawl
:'( I respecced prot because there isnt enough people like you...
Andykh
Ex-Retadin
You aren't nuts, just not too bright. Vortex's are apples, they grow on trees in SSC and TK, free for the picking and unlimited in quantity. Skillherald with BoK up has 28 less attack power than Jin'rohk and only gives 31 crit rating.
But by all means if you would rather use your credit card than actually raid something for an item, go ahead, buy Skillherald. I can see numerous happy guilds enjoying an extra bank tab due to your generosity.
You crazy bastards. in comes the troll
All of you. First, this is a hunter weapons, hand down, and it is of NO use to pallies and very little to MS warriors. states that he is indeed a nub
Hahah, none. further states that he is a nub
Guess what, I am a ret paladin. a ret that doesnt know how to play his spec.. prolly ebayed
Let me tell you why... his understanding to the game thus far, which is prolly just a few days worth... ebayed?
First, it is too fast, compared to stormerheald, which is 3.8, and though it adds a "Lot" of dps, or ap, I'm sorry but with BoK and the 10% increase strength (that pallies get) stormheald has ABOUT the same ap, and the DAMAGE of stormerheald will outclass that extra 2 dps :P very obvious comment about SH. kinda like saying JR is a sword. The BoK comment is IF you have a BoK on you... the "extra 2 dps" actually is 7.2. Clearly misses the fact that SH is mainly better (PVP wise) cuz of the stun proc a (doesnt mean shit in PVE), and the 579 top end dmg vs JR's 570. Str and AP does matter, but is negligible given the fact that SH = 84 ap (92.4 w/o kings) while JR is 120 ~ 27.6 AP difference in comparison with SH w/ BoK. Dunno if this is correct but 14AP = 1 dps? If so, SH = 127.0 DPS, JR = 136.2 DPS.. which equals 9.2 difference in "dps".
For pallies, haste shits on us, for it makes seal of command not work, and for ms warriors, this CAN be of use with the haste and all... states that SoC DOES NOT WORK with haste. Does this mean we dont have it at all? Last time i checked, SoC was a time based proc. Which means it still will proc, just at a lower % per swing than with a slower wep. For full calcs, pls look at my above long ass post
Now all of you may think I am nuts. acknowledges that he is indeed nuts, and going crazy for that matter for thinkin the way he thinks
But considering that any perso ncan now BUY (that's right, friggin buy) nethers and vortex's in patch 2.4 and they are no longer BoP, Stormerheald is going to be EASY as hell to get and I personally wouldn't mind dumping lots of gold on it. "NOW" is current time, 2.4 is not current time. Once the patch comes out, pls repost with "NOW". SH will indeed be easier not "EASY" to get. And by buying mats (including vortexes) clarifies that he does not care HOW he gets a wep... even if this means ebay. I guess if you dont care about a char in the first place, buying a wep is nothing.
Heh, this is why stormerheald is better. It's actually friggin easier to get and has got a slower speed. means that since he bought his char, he has no guild, or has no guild progression. By "easier" he means that he has no prob dishin out $xxx.xx to fund his mats for the wep. "Has got a slower speed" again mentioning that common sense is indeed common sense. I guess he wants to clarify to see if he is correct? 3.8 > 3.7 (3.5 w/ haste).
Beat that, you bastards. just like how he gets beat in BG's/arena most likely
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Either someone hacked his name or he gained some sense but eitherway... badass.
This weapon is obviously very good in the hands of anyone who is a dps spec and can wield it.
Of course I won it just now on my hunter.
Our MT warrior didn't roll on it....nono he won the gun from Teron the other night which would have been marginally better for me than Legionkiller which I have.....
What, who deleted my whole machine gun hunter thing.
It was a joke damn it.
What's wrong with you people.
Psshft I'm going to argue on thottbot who deserves this ehh.
Gay bastards :(
So I assume you (if u were a hunter) would have no problem if someone was to roll against you if  Trollbane dropped right? I mean if it was an upgrade for them... right?
And the same could be said if  Tuskbreaker or  Ancient Amani Longbow dropped and a rogue or war rolled on it?
And since  Legacy could still be an "upgrade" to even a war... lets just say a prot war needing on dps gear... you wouldnt have a problem right? Damn, i wish there were more ppl like you. I would LOVE to run a pug with you on my rogue or war to grab all those loots from ya. I have no prob with stealing hunter gear... oops... i mean ROLLING on "upgrade gear" >.<
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