To save you both time and effort, remember this...
THIS IS A CRAFTED ITEM!
If a Paladin wants this, thats great. If a Hunter wants this, thats fine. If bloody a Mage decides he has a reason to craft this, it is his prerogative!
So rather than start some fight about which class should have this item, go get your BS skill to 375 and craft the damn thing for yourself.
Have you ever even raided? What a fucking retard
yeah so a warrior is SUPPOSED to tank end game. but what if he wants to PvP? Why shouldnt a dps/pvp warrior get this over a pala?
Ehh dude.. It's crafted .. -_-
Re: -.- by Warriaxxthegreat, Score -0.82
if you really want this go ahead, but i do not reccomend it. not because of any class bias, but because its not even close to the best weapon you can get. Druid's dps is not based on weapon dps, and you will not get the proc. something that has feral attack power, agil, str, stam would be better than this, IMO
Just to add. Any feral uses this you're a officially a moron and need to go play a diff class
Just to add. Any feral uses this you're a officially a moron and need to go play a diff class
/agree
Yeah! by Plazmo, Score -5.4
/lol by jderusha, Score -2.3 Druid by catsail, Score -2.2
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LMFAO. Thats a WTFPWN weapon right there.
no druids do not get a proc in feral form, eliminating the stun on the wep, and the weapon's dps they are using doesnt affect their dmg
its all stats
WTF
Why are we comparing a mace for melee dps, Arms warrior or shammy, retro pally....for a druid. If u put the time, money and profession of BLACKSMITHING for a druid...you are an idiot
Re: lol by Ulrik the right one, Score 0.00
Wrong. by Smoke2Seven, Score -1.1 Win. by death_rattle, Score -1.4
hmmm by sadieus, Score -0.52 aww by getowned, Score -0.64
What is it with people who consider pallies to be jokes? All they say is 'Arms warriors are better' ( I disagree, but that's not the point). The point is that it's a CRAFTED WEAPON! This means, that if I want one on my pally, I will take up the crafting and get it. You can't tell me that if I work solidly to get the crafting I don't deserve it. Or, worse that it's 'wasted' on me. When I Crusader Strike you for 3k, you may see my point of view =P.
Can someone post the damn proc rate of the stun and stop crying about who gets it?
lol by imulator, Score -0.27
Does anyone have any idea what the proc rate is on this beast?
lolz by sigmaar, Score -0.92
This is a Crafted weapon.. Nobody needs to know who this weapon is best for.. For all I care a warlock can craft this if he has the required materials. Keep the "this is a X class weapon" posts to weapons that drop!
Read the item requirements and you will see:
"Requires Master Hammersmith"
This means if you're not a master hammersmith, you can't use it.
yes. by dthomp, Score -2.0
Dam by lukasanders, Score -0.45 Yep by TrucidoExecutus, Score 0.00 damn by Kusturica, Score -0.35 Damage by TrucidoExecutus, Score -0.45 lol by blane, Score -0.32
LOL by logicalmayhem, Score 0.00 Hunter by snelleneddie123, Score -0.81 Shammy by myisticbeast, Score -0.44 tsss by jotje, Score -3.7 lol by karglat, Score -0.45
Does anyone know the % chance that the mace stuns?
woo by hahihoo, Score -0.22
noobs by keeversforever, Score -2.8 dps by Bunyipee, Score 0.00 Re: dps by senorrodrigo, Score 0.00
dumb by puppetm, Score -1.1
Ok I myself play a paladin, and people saying that paladins shouldn't raid as ret is just stupid. I can see what they mean when they say we should just heal, But Ret paladins can also be helpful in 25 man raids. For example, lets say your on a very endurance fight, and you have multipule paladins in the raid, they can all judge one seal on it(Seal of wisdom, Seal of Light, Ect.) and the ret paladin can keep all of those judments up so that those other paladins don't have to be near the fight and keep whacking it. As every pally that heals should know that if the mob cleaves or does some kind of AoE effect its very hard to keep that judgment up. because they have to use the mana to keep themselves up as well as the others. But when you have a Ret paladin, they don't have to worry about that.
Also, as we as a more defensive class may not put out as much damage as something such as a rogue or Mage, but we do a decent amount of damage. We also up everyone elses damage but keeping our Improved Seal of the Crusader(give a 3% crit to everyone who hits it) and with the new aura gives 2% damage to everyone in the party. Which may not seem like alot but it can make the difference in the long run.Also, if the paladin speced into Improved Blessing of Might, that will add more damage to all the melee and hunter damage. Plus that is also another blessing you have at your desposal
So if you are one of those people who thinks that Retribution paladins are useless in raids think again. We have our uses in raids.
who teh fuck are you to tell somebody whether or not they deserve this? A) its crafted so nothing you can say will have any impact on whether they get it or not, and B) it shouldnt have any impact even its the best weapon in the game that drops fro the last boss in teh game from the hardest instance in the game... its not ur place to tell them whether or not they deserve it. if a pally wants it, great. i have no problem with pallies using nice two handers. nor should anybody else. deal with it and let ppl play their class
For one thing, his grammer was very good complared to some people, (like me:() please don't nit pick at stuff that isn't incorrect. Second, Shadow Priests do have some bad points, I dont play a Shadow Priest so I'm not going to get into that stuff.Please, don't jugde, I will bet that you thing Shadow Priests are better because of the people you have met I am sure you have met some bad ret pallys and some good shadow priests, but [/i] ret pallys like most hybrids take skill to play.[/i] *begans rant*I am SICK AND TIRED of people who judge (or go "lolutehnoobezlrn2playoriwtflolpwnzyuwafflen00bz" you aren't expected to be able to read that) *ends rant* I just want to say, THIS WEAPON IS WHO EVER WANTS TO MAKE THIS I couldn't care less if a mage made this!
I am sorry if I sound like a flamer, but if you have read this far I would like to say that I am just fed up, and this was not intended to sound like a flame.Also, please exsuce bad grammer, puncuation or what ever else you find wrong.
you sir, are a dick face. he made it perfectly clear that we retribution paladins have our uses in raids. one thign he forgot to mention is our vindication chance-on-hit debuff, which when fully specced out lowers the monsters stats by 15%. That is alot of health lost for a boss. the second this debuff comes into play the boss is put at 85% maximum health
you know what your talking about dude, ret pallies are crappy no more! no one has the right to make fun of us. we are just as good as any other dps class with a few perks involved too. I helped off heal karazhan and im able to tank mana tombs as a ret pally. theres nothing we cannot do.
you seriously have no idea what your talking about noob. you obviously have not played a ret pally, or played one well at least. we can dps a very fair amount and no faggy mage such as yourself should judge us. blizzard would not make a class spec that would suck against any other class. each class is better for certain tasks but ret pallies can still dps whether you like it or not
LoL by Toddling, Score 0.00 o.O by Aimedshotzor, Score 0.00 lolz by Condrius123, Score 0.00 Mace. by Condrius123, Score 0.00 hmm... by imulator, Score 0.00
wow... by babiesaremythang, Score 0.00
In the real world rare reagents like nethers and vortexs go to the players that have enough dkp to afford them.
Warriors can scream I'm the main damage dealer I should get for the good of the guild but by saying that Paladins & Shamans think why am I in this stinking guild where I benefit from nothing.
The end result is if you going to keep all the loot to yourself though pure dictatorship your going to lose your team because alot of people raid for better pvp gear.
Stormherlad is a great weapon.
What if I told you Paladins can deal the same damage as a Windfury Specced Shaman with Stormherald? You would call me a noob and laugh.
Since Stormherald has a chance to stun Paladins are more likely to gain a double damage judgement of command on stunable monsters.
The 3.8 speed makes it an excellent weapon for crusader strike which scales well the cooldown and hit rate.
The Strength & Agility fit perfect into retribution talents which are a mix of critical hit rate and conversion of attack power to spell damage.
As you can tell I'm a Paladin player. I decided to quit healing and play as a Damage Dealer. Its tough but the mix of damage and control makes it fun.
You need to make this decsion.
You can force & intimidate people into giving you the reagents simply because your the highest damage dealer or you can be liberal & democratic and earn those reagents though DKP.
Imagine you & every hybird in your guild eventually get a Stormherald at roughly the same month. It might have took a couple of months but you did it in a way where people still want to play with you and not against you.
Need before Greed.
Damage dealing classes tend to have this thought that they have the first privledge on everything and are totally against working hard for items.
Wake up guys. You either play fair or ruin your friend list.
psst. HUNTERS CANT USE MACES YOU RETARD
easy mate he was an idiot trying to get some idiotic attention, he knows hunters can't use maces he's being a moron
Haha! by tangara45, Score 0.57
Just got this on my Pally, replacing with World Breaker, a great upgrade the max damage is noticeably higher. Proc rate is nothing to write home about but the stats are nice within themselves.
The weapon procs on any melee hit including whirlwind and sweeping strikes. It doesn't share the same diminishing returns as mace stun so with a lot of luck you can lock down somebody.
Definently worth it if you're a PvP shaman, paladin, or warrior.
I have never understood why people post so many comments that specifically bash on ret pallys. Why do you waste your time messing with other classes when you could be busy getting this for your amazing ms warrior? Yes, im a ret pally who is raiding SSC to get this. MY GUILD UNDERSTANDS THAT I PVP SO THEY ARE HELPING ME GET THIS. i may not be able to out dps a enh shammy or an ms/fury warrior on the meters, but put me against one in a duel and the meters dont matter much. A ret pally can do severe damage with this in arena, and it is a good guilds job to make the game fun, not a hinderence. A good guild will help their players get this weapon, not call them a noob for speccing ret. make fun of my grammar or punctuation all you want, and ill laugh at you for doing so... your the insecure guy who sits in your house and plays wow all day. Im just a normal 16 year old kid looking at my favorite item while my realm is down... im kind of excited to see all the haters bash on ret pallys, but even more excited for my realm to turn back on so i can get this and own you haters with my rediculous stun rates and increased damage thereof.
Goodluck in the arenas ladies,
youre gonna need it.
Brad
Whats the damn stun proc rate?
This will be easy to get when 2.4 hits, 15 badges and 7g for 1 nether vortex! :DD
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! It seems like some giant wave of 12year olds hit this thread!
This is a created weapon, if you want it, level BS and make it.
As for this weapon being for any "specific" class, it seems like it's designed for Paladins and Warriors.
Reason 1: 3.8 speed is the slowest speed in-game, which makes this weapon a very good weapon for retribution paladins and arms warriors (Slower speed, higher bursts when hitting and SoC PPM increase) + the 127DPS = 3dps less than the Best retribution weapon in-game! Torch of the Damned, that is.
Reason 2: CoH 4 second stun... Hello? Mace specialization + Meta gem with CoH stun + Stormherald? could you fuck a druid more up?
Reason 3: Go play World of Warcraft before you ridicule yourselves on Thottbot.
-Despertar, Zenedar, Eu
total materials after u hit 375 smithing to get this
20 primal air
20 primal water
6 hardened adamantite bar
12 khorium bar
10 primal mana
8 primal nether
5 nether vortex
Ok, have read all comments here and no one was usable, just stupid comments about "what class sux" or "u shouldnt use it". Ok.. No maths here, just some "live" damages(tried on my guildies, geared ~t4-t5):white damages: cloth- got 2.7k crit(with executioner proc should b around 3k), ~900 normal hit ; leather- 2.2k crit, ~700 white; mail 1.5k crit, ~500 white; plate(pala tank with shield) 1.2k crit, 300-500 white. Item procs r kinda rare, but at arena it proced for me every time i was realy need it. Yes it procs on ww, ms, ss and cleave. Once even got 3 enemies stunned at raw from ww and second later 2 of them from cleave(3d was allready dead lol). And yes, mace really worth to craft due to being the best arena weapon as it gives ya "live" stats that can b boosted by palas and druids, and gives u small, but still dodge and armor, not a big difference with top end weapons, stun procs that save lifes, pretty easy to get allmost for any guild tank as they mostly have maxed bs and loot priorities, it hits like a train, ppl respect you just for having it cuz max bs is a hard work behind, and it just looks so cool and massive and with executioner its like ftw! Any pvp pala/war must have, believe me, at least b4 u ll get vengeful or brutal one=)
Ok, have read all comments here and no one was usable, just stupid comments about "what class sux" or "u shouldnt use it". Ok.. No maths here, just some "live" damages(tried on my guildies, geared ~t4-t5):white damages: cloth- got 2.7k crit(with executioner proc should b around 3k), ~900 normal hit ; leather- 2.2k crit, ~700 white; mail 1.5k crit, ~500 white; plate(pala tank with shield) 1.2k crit, 300-500 white. Item procs r kinda rare, but at arena it proced for me every time i was realy need it. Yes it procs on ww, ms, ss and cleave. Once even got 3 enemies stunned at raw from ww and second later 2 of them from cleave(3d was allready dead lol). And yes, mace really worth to craft due to being the best arena weapon as it gives ya "live" stats that can b boosted by palas and druids, and gives u small, but still dodge and armor, not a big difference with top end weapons, stun procs that save lifes, pretty easy to get allmost for any guild tank as they mostly have maxed bs and loot priorities, it hits like a train, ppl respect you just for having it cuz max bs is a hard work behind, and it just looks so cool and massive and with executioner its like ftw! Any pvp pala/war must have, believe me, at least b4 u ll get vengeful or brutal one=)
Stormherald - mace talant stuns + metagem stuns + coh stuns = every ~5 secs enemies get stunned, also count charges and intercepts. Also count 61sta boost+ slight armor and dodge that agi gives. You bcome a head pain for your enemies.
Bloodmoon - no stamina, lots of crits, but as you know well geared players have 400+ res that absorbs crit dmg and decreace ur chance to crit on them. So the axe isnt realy usefull. Didnt c any top arenas warrior with axe spec.
Now the lioheart - yeah baby! Sword spec ftw, awsome bursts, fear resist +tallants= ftw. But no sta, no crit, no control(compared to the mace). But anyway its ftw.
Yes, its hard to decide what to use. You should take in mind your arena mates. If u have enough instant controls like mages, drools or rogues go for sword otherwise mace. Quick bursts pwn with sword.Its about 2vs2.
3vs3 and 5vs5, mace stuns save lives, its about tactics and controls then damages.
I say mace, the stun is freaking amazing combined with the talent. and also slow speed for high MS/WW crits.
Sword could be a choice if you play with a shaman or alot of 5v5.
I have played with both and Stormherald is better imo.
hmm...what do you think about this mace with a shaman and WF?
I dont really think its worth to lvl up bs as shammy for this item. Imho beter go for dragonmaws/strikes x2 as they r not mh uniques anymore after 2.4 released. With 2 of those maces(mgoose+exec or new enchant that will come soon{improved icy weapon} u could pwn so freaking hard both at pvp and pve.
As it was said b4 this item is primarally usefull for warrs and pal5s as it has nearly the best weapon dmg range thats very important for both. But shammy should better go for any gladiators variants of 2h as it doesnt have live stats but raitings, that will give more stats to shams and its also free, if u care about a gold ofc.
Hope it war usable point of view.
Ok very good points of notice in PvP on this mace.
Arms Warrior: Of course we all know you are bad ass, you have the hey i gain more rage and you are stunned talent and the mace stuns as well while you beat their face in with your hamma. Over all very damn good ^_^ i have had my ass handed to me by you people many a time you bastards.
Ret Paladin: Now in PvP this is just messed up, in a good way for you guys. You gain, a lot of hp (NEEDED IN PVP), Agi and of course str. But then the proc, now which seal are you always using in BGs and Arena? Command (obviously) and we all know that command when judged does more damage on a stunned foe. Good god help who ever you are fighting if you are specced right and in the right gear. Yes you do not get mortal strike or any of the better Warrior beat downs but stunning w/superjudgementintheface is just well...uber.
Enhancement Shaman: Believe it or not i have never seen enhancement in arena ever. O.o so i cannot say anything on this one.
For PvE this mace is not recommended at all..what the hell you going to do? Stun Illidan? HAHA No but seriously when doing raid in the 25 man bracket and ZA this is not the best choice though good front load DPS over all it just lacks that good luster of other weapons however...
Arms Warrior PvE: Now i see Arms in PvE a lot, they work, in raids they work and their debuff to make us do more damage helps. Stacked with ret paladin this is very critical at times for the Melee dps to work better. Now yes the talent in the arms tree says stun but it also says you gain more rage. While the stun may be just about useless the more rage is very good in terms of keeping up your heavy hits. Of course MS may not be useful in terms of Debuff i have heard things about Illidan being able to even heal himself. Now if this is true MS may be very useful on that fight.
However i have never faced Illidan so i could be wrong but in theory the 7 rage gain is very good but i would prefer the Axe spec w/Berserker stance for like 7% free crit chance. So it would be wise if you have this mace as Arms spec to have a very good axe on the side, the 150 badge loot axe in this case is your good friend. Although you can grab the Cataclysms Edge from Archimonde if you have the right raiding guild and DKP if you float that way. Though sword spec over all has a low proc.
In conclusion to the Arms Warrior using Stormherald in PvE it is a good choice in certain things just to gain more rage, it has very good stats, very decent base damage just again its proc is pretty much wasted in PvE. PvP its god, PvE it is only good due to the Mace spec giving you 7 so rage.
Ret Paladin: Do not use this in serious raids. Yes good stats but it would be better to have a weapon you could abuse. You unlike the warrior DO NOT have the specs to enhance your ability depending on what weapon you use thus well choose another. Personally my ret paladin for PvE has Lionheart Executioner and it works wonders due to the proc. (Sadly now i have to go after Blade of Harbingers) Nonetheless choose a better weapon. IF you do have this for PvP and its all you got use it, its not garbage for PvE because of its stats but it is outclassed by other weapons.
Enhancement Sham: From what i know i never see them use this, they always dual wield each time i see them. Even if they were to have this i doubt they would use it for PvE unless i am missing something. Again i do not know about the shamans except they allow the raid to pretty much shaq attack a boss.
Crafted this a few days ago and enchanted it with executioner and overall it's very badass both in looks and its fuction. All comments about the weapon proc on this are true, it's pretty rare and most stuns come from the warrior talent tree. It has proc'd off of all special ablities (not shouts or stomps of course) but I've had it proc off of <slam> (answering question above) and even <rend>. Spamming hamstring does increase the chance of a stun but again mostly talent one. Big MS crits, but I would suggest gathering up as much + to crit as you can (coming from being axe spec the loss of 5% ment I needed to make up for some of it) to maintain a good 30%. Personally, I noticed white damage being more on the top end and when it hit big it hit BIG so definately worth switching proffessions and spec for.
I hope any of this helps anyone reading up on this weapon.
Yes I've always wondered that too. It can proc. if you use slam, mortal strike, Cleave, or whirlwind. I've testing this myself. anything that will deal weapon damage has a chance to proc.
So yeah warriors, I'd have to say got kick ass with proc.'in
I suggest if any warrior that uses 2h maces go improved slam to repeatovly do their big ass 2h mace damage, THATS EVRY HALF SECOND!!!!
Its too bad it doesnt stun as long as the Dark Iron Pulveriser
this wpn is good for any melee class who can get their hands on it |