How about this! Wow made us a map to it.
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alterac valley by stormgunner, Score 0.00
TM = Tarren Mill by ConquestDeath, Score 0.33 U ARE RIGHT! by Sickmate, Score -0.79
Yes. It's a high-level instanced PvP map, and now, the level requirement is 51.
If you're Alliance and go to the alliance entrance, you can try to enter through the red portal (raid), just like in WG. However, it will say "Must be Alliance and level 51 to enter." I'll assume the same restriction is in place for the Horde entrance.
Why is it that if someone asks a simple question then some big head has to come back and make it sound like the question asker is a Noob, (hate that word)and then have to make them feel like idiots, just answer the question in a friendly and helpful way and dont make it sound like that YOU are the all seeing eye of WoW, YOU get a life
flambait by KCobain, Score -0.29 Out of Alterac Valley by Jagno, Score 0.29 Hmmm... by denivixen, Score 0.26
<Blank> by Greane, Score 0.00 <Blank> by link105, Score 0.37 GOD by RalphieWarrior, Score -0.53 WITNERSBITE by flyingirish08, Score 0.00
Hmm.. by ravar, Score -0.71 Alterac Valley by Quicksilverw, Score -0.24 <Blank> by The_Fear, Score -1.0
areas by vendrix, Score -4.4
Archimonde by rifixgt, Score 0.00 respawning near AV by stevo0613, Score -0.86 Confused here..... by Rallajalla, Score 0.00
dheth by runarft, Score 0.00 OMG by Priestfaggot, Score -2.0
well I hear alot of you ... on greymane AV is becomming the main stage for high end PvP instances.So much so that You can hardlly find a group for a WSG anymore.
Alteric is not meant for the power PvPer who wants to get in and get out fast to level his rank quickly. In all the times I have done it, it has never lasted less then an hour. Today, it was a 4.5 hour stint to victory. Very hard earned indeed, but rewarding all together. So If you are looking for the quick track to AV ... sometimes you will be able to just walk right in ... others ... it may take hours ... be patient, the experience you will have is well worth the wait, especially if you happen across a hard earned, well fought out battle ... Win or lose. Greymane Horde Draylocke of Silencius Mortuus
Well, I've read all above, and it doesn't really answer any n00bie question reg AV. It didn't answer for me, at any rate. So, here's my input for those new to AV (it's by no means safe to assume to be correct, mind - my own first experience report only):
Basically, it's a PvP instanced zone where several groups of Alliance fight the Horde groups. It has several vital strategic points guarded by NPCs of your faction, and now - you. You'll see the opposing faction trying and take over those points, killing you and the NPC guards. As far as I understand it, if a point is overrun, all the protecting NPCs killed, that points changes colour and starts spawning the new owners guards instead. So you have to intercept any enemies, and try and capture some enemy points in turn. When you kill someone, you can loot their body for loot - nothing of their true gear, just some special AV loots. It is soulbound, at least what I got. Also, you need to loot quick, or someone else will. Also, when you yourself die, and get looted, you respawn not at a graveyard but near the entrance - I got a message that read something like 'your insignia taken, can't resurrect at graveyard' or some such. So maybe it makes sense to 'release spirit' fast, don't know. There are some non-PvP quests inside, but you'll be facing lvl 52+ elites, so plan accordingly. Dont' know about the reward. I m only lvl 56, so couldn't solo it. Also, it is pretty easy to die in AV at lvl 56. I died maybe 20 times within 1-2 hours. No gear damage I don't think. However, I saw lots of other people die lots too. It's one big fight between two factions, so you get jumped upon all over the place, from solo fights somewhere on-route from the graveyard with some sneaky infiltrator rogue or druid, to large scale several groups vs several groups to take/defends a tower, for example. It's good clean messy fun tho. I started to enjoy it after about half an hour into it. And enjoyed it very much, so I would recommend AV. However, I still have questions. What to do with the loot? How and when is the battle won/lost (I couldn't see the end of it, so just zoned out - and behold - got branded as a deserter!)? How do I get ranks (it's my first PvP experience altogether, I am on a PvE server)? Thank you, For the Horde!
BattleGrounds AV "Stonemaul server" by hellocloudy, Score -0.24 <blank> by crazymonkey, Score 0.00 bug or what by hioh, Score 0.00 0 wins?? by Sway22, Score 0.00 lol by kasumolin, Score 0.00 Coords for Alliance Entry to Alterac Valley BG by Balboatar, Score 0.28 AV by Wakuindabak, Score 0.00 Alliance = EZ by HordeOwnsArthas, Score 0.00 Terrain by horhayj, Score 0.00 AV by Hampson, Score 0.48 I love AV but.. by jcmistat, Score 0.48 Great even though we always loose by Skitzy, Score 0.40 Become Exalted in AV by curufin, Score -0.64
altecac by didah, Score 0.00
What coordinates? The top most post says where the entrances are.
To the happy Ally who posted above about the bridge. That bridge is a serious advantage to the Allies. Strategically. It's very hard to overcome, b/c it is narrow (can't escape it either, drop down means death to most) and protected by two bunkers on both sides. It's a death zone for the Horde. Not fair in my book. Also, the Ally zone entrance is located so that the Ally bastards run dead to the entrance rezzer, get rezzed, then pedal back and start farming the Stormpike graveyard, captured by the Horde. The Horde get rezzed in the midst of nuking/shooting barrage from above, and can do little to protect themselves. Apart from the fact that gy farming is low, doing so from that position is lower still, not sportsman-like at all, but then I rarely expect fair play from Allies. Schmacks with pretentious names like Holyknight and Truelight standing on walls unreacheable to the Horde and farming gy and emoting crap like 'Sweetangel is bored with you' and such Btw, on my server, Stormrage, Horde rarely-to-occasionally wins. I think it's mostly because there are fewer people playing Horde by far, so by midnight, Horde numbers start deminishing
AV rep...almost too easy by WarBossGrat, Score 0.19 Low lvl = more rep? by Zorek, Score 0.00 Epics by COMBAT-Rouge,, Score -0.73
Alterac Valley
Flavor items from player loot in Alterac Valley will now stack and can be sold for a small value. These are items like Documents from Boomstick Imports, Worn Running Shoes, etc. Players in Alterac Valley will no longer drop Darkspear Troll Mojo, Dwarf Spines, Forsaken Hearts, Human Bone Chips, Orc Teeth, etc. and the quests have been removed for these items. Instead when a player is slain in Alterac Valley, any enemies that were in that player's threat list will gain 1 point of reputation with either the Frostwolf or Stormpike factions. Frostwolf and Stormpike faction will now be gained by killing players of the opposite faction. Reputation will no longer be split up among the entire raid group. Tower Banners in Alterac Valley can no longer be used through walls. Korrak the Bloodrager and his band of trolls have packed up their bags and left Alterac Valley for greener pastures.
av by Mudja, Score 0.17 Vendors in AV by Jontank, Score 0.00 broken I.W.I.N. by ihaveagun, Score -0.34 Credit for kills by 12wraith458, Score 0.23
To to leave without being a deserter by Welshboff, Score -0.53 Pallies can be livesavers in AV by Orwinsteel, Score 0.00 Believe it... by Kooper05, Score 0.00 yea by Kracus, Score 0.38 lol by Kracus, Score 0.55 passing from neutral to friendly by circoworm, Score 0.39 Dang by Ninjassasin, Score 0.00
I was in AV the first day as soon as I reached lvl 51 with my orc shaman (the minimum level requirement for the battleground) and after a few battles, was already honored. So it doesn't take nowhere near a week to get honored. Even if the Horde in fact DOES lose most of the time, we did manage it to take Stormpike down a couple of times and get the win, but the most honor-accumulating tactic is, to kill as many elite NPCs (NOT players) of the other faction, then if the time allows, summon Lokholar the Icelord, and if the Alliance has't made it yet to defeat our boss, to take down Stormpike. (Easy once Lokholar is summoned and being healed by us) . :)
While killing the elite NPCs and bosses of the other faction of course earns the most honor and reputation, also keep in mind that you get a honorable kill (with honor depending on the player's level and rank) as well as 1 reputation point for any player of the other faction your group takes down. :) So while it is EASY to get a good reputation with the AV guys, I'm (and most likely a lot of people on my server) having a hard time to get the reputation up with WSG and AB, since, from 50-59, there may be 3 WSGs a day; most likely in a time when I'm at work :( and maybe if you are lucky one f*cking Arathi Basin...last time I spent like 12 hours in a queue and no battleground (wsg and ab) took place, while the AV was still going on and on and on. im confused!?! by ise-and-krone, Score 0.00
. by holycow123, Score 0.00 AV by Lidboy, Score 0.00
No 56K zone by Mantees, Score 0.37 Gods by server48, Score 0.00
Alliance AV by Mack&Diddy, Score -1.5 Orders? by Tamakhana, Score 0.00
Just a couple of pointers for a succesful and usually quick AV match:
1) Capture the graveyards, as many as you can, as fast as you can. You capture the graveyards, youve already half won it. 2) Don't just capture the Gravyard then move to the next, leave a group of 2 maybe 3 people to lookout for horde and stop any rogues from capping them. 3) Stay grouped!! On all the AV's I've been on where players just throw themselves at the opposing faction and don't stay grouped, those are the ones that lose, very quickly. 4) Keep the opposing faction distracted. Get a large group of maybe 15-20 people to just go up and start a big fight, while the another large group captures or destroys the tower or graveyard nearby. 5) Only turn in your items in small groups. If there is suddenly a mass turn in of items that you collect in the battlefield, who's stopping the opposing faction from taking over? Good luck ^_^ - Darktrinityx
New to AV by Tonecrafter, Score 0.38 How to get the Shredder!! by Powerofrogues, Score -0.83 shredder...idk by Elider12345, Score -0.24 AV wins by FrostmorneBIGQUEUES, Score 0.00 Turn ins by Iudea, Score 0.39
Well well Horde by Zeum, Score 0.28 Old Quests no good by sparke, Score 0.39
The caves or mines watever u call em by Scott Grassick, Score 0.39 Fishing by NeoKrebs, Score 0.21 AV rep by perorne, Score 0.39
AV is really fun by garonawarrior, Score 0.00 awesomeness by Bob_Teh_Cool, Score 0.00 Level? by Bloodspur, Score 0.00
51 Starting Level by Lysethia, Score 0.36
Question by Ornemorie, Score -2.9 AV by explode13, Score 0.00 why the horde almost always loses at av but its sorta balanced by HellBringerV, Score -1.1
How to capture a mine? by BigDplayboy, Score 0.28
Stormreaver Horde wins in av by rh13f, Score 0.38
My breif AV experience shows by Kollins, Score 0.39 This bg is now SO unfair by General123456789, Score 0.00 Same by Twilightruler, Score 0.28
Word is all the good alliance veteran players went to lv 70. Alliance owns in lv 61-70 bracket. Most veteran players also do arena now too.
Alliance lose pretty bad in lv 51-60 bracket, lose 95% of the time. Too many new guys who don't know teamwork, listening or what to do in first place. Even been told that most of the players in the lv 51-60 bracket don't know what to do & won't listen to the people who do. How bad is it? I was in a group of 20 players and five were lv 51 because they want that ice barbed spear (way way too many low levels for whatever reason). When we're pulling warmasters I can shout "Stay on the hill!" "GET BACK" "ONLY ONE PULLER (me)" "NOBODY PULL" about 7 different ways before I go in & single pull IceWing Warmaster. But when I turn around & go out I see somebody else agro 3 warmasters >_<. There is leadership & people who are smart playing on alliance, but without people who follow what the smart ones are saying (like above example) its very very hard to win. TIPS *STAY TOGETHER on offense! Even if you're just 10 people, if you're in a tight close group you'll overpower & get any horde node 99% of the time. *LISTEN & FOLLOW ORDERS. Can't work as a group then no teamwork = FAIL. *FIGHT AT THE FLAG. Not around the corner, not 20 feet away, not 15 feet away. FIGHT AT THE FLAG. Too many times we're fighting around the corner, not being smart, & the horde recaptures a node. *Take out all towers. For every horde tower you destroy a marshall is added to ally general's room & a warmaster is removed from horde general's room. Opposite is true for horde destroying ally bunkers. *Leave 2 in each tower you cap till it burns or horde will take it back *Leave 3 at Graveyard you capture or horde will take it back *don't pull warmasters until you have relief hut & all horde towers destroyed *STAY ON THE DAMN HILL: only one person should be pulling. *kill horde BEFORE they get into Drek's room (Put a freeze trap on that ramp) *Kill horde on the bridge, put a freeze trap on bridge & let the archers from bunkers help rip them to shreds *Let horde have StoneHearth or Snowfall GraveYard...or else they'll keep rezzing on a defensive node (like IceBlood GY) making it hard for offense to take it. Good luck & have fun
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Been in AV 3 times now, each match lasting over an hour and a half (did the barb Q for one of them tho so I didnt notice).
Last night was an impressive stalemate. The Horde ripped the allies apart and pushed them back to just before the bridge. But the corner there everything stalled. The ally mages, locks and hunters can freely sit by/on the bridge and spam AoEs on that corner. The melees are engaged with our horde frontline. With the ranged troops unable to hit each other and any large assault being AoEd to death it got stuck for over an hour. The alliance managed to push us back once by a huge rolling AoE storm (casters taking it in turns, moving forwards a few steps and AoEing and max range again) that swept down the road. Horde players were literally hurling themselves off the road and down the hill to avoid it. The lightshow was damn impressive tho...2 blizzards and a hellfire landing on the heads of a half dozen players tends to reduce them to corpses fast O.o
I just finished a 70 AV.. and have never been so disappointed with the Horde EVER. Not because we are losing, but everyone has turned into total prixors. I was in at 68, and everyone jumps my ass saying i need to leave, cuz i had a couple greens. I just wanted to say, with all those idiots running around capping stuff too early, screwing around, afking, that a couple greens shouldn't be that big of deal. I AM A GOOD PLAYER, I ROCK MY HUNTER, AND I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING. So anyone that would choose someone with all epics over someone that isnt going to treat u like ur a piece, F off. Sorry if i have a life, and havent had countless hours to devote to epics like some of u "cool" ppl. u can take them and shove them imo.
Re: Alterac Valley by gavetz, Score 0.00 Re: Alterac Valley by THEgunSHOW, Score -36.7 Re: Alterac Valley by Murlain, Score 0.00 Re: Alterac Valley by vmkd;fsd, Score 0.00 Re: Alterac Valley by miims, Score 0.52 Re: Alterac Valley by rottingguy, Score 0.00
I have decided that with the new Patch 2.3 implementations to AV, that I should analyze this and post it near the top.
<<<HONOR GLITCH>>>> If you have assualted a tower/bunker, but the game has ended before it capped, do not leave the battleground. Wait for them to cap so that you can get the bonus honor. I've checked the combat log, you do still recieve it. Me and 4 others gained 124 bonus honor that the rest of the group didn't. This works whether your team has won or lost. I have implemented an alternate strategy for honor farming. Scroll to the bottom. Honor has been "balanced" to fit more to the map objectives. You get bonus honor for destroying a tower/bunker, killing Galv/Balinda, keeping your own Towers/Bunkers intact, and for downing the final boss. With the introduction of Reinforcements, play style has drastically changed. Your team starts with 600 reinforcements. Each time one of your teammates dies, your team loses a point. When Balinda/Galv are killed, you're team loses 100 points. Each tower/bunker destroyed takes approximately 75 points. The final boss causes you to lose all remaining points, so if the boss dies, game over. If your team gets "turtled" and is unable to progress, after 600 deaths have occured to your team, it's game over. People believe that with this new system in place, you have to rush your opponents to gain the advantage. This, sadly, isn't the case. With the new changes, you can no longer pull the guards in the room of the final boss outside of the fortress. Doing so causes all of them to reset. What this means is that it is virtually impossible to take the fortress without your full team in there fighting. There is a solution, however. With each tower/bunker destroyed, one guard despawns. If your team destroys each of the opposing team's towers/bunkers, then the boss is wide open for an assault with 20+ of your team. This obviously puts more focus on towers/pve than pvp, in theory. However, in practice, things are a bit different. The natural opening move is to rush the first general. It takes 100 points from your team, so is obviously the best move, right? Wrong! Look at the way the game must play out. There are two ways. 1) Cause your enemy to slowly run out of reinforcements. 2) Slowly progress to the boss for a swift win. If you try to kill the first general, then you are assuming that you are going to be killing players to win. Therefore you recieve less bonus honor (since you don't kill the final boss), and the game takes longer (since you are slowly killing players instead of progressing). Furthermore, while trying to kill the general, you will often run into the opposing team trying to defend it. Since not only do you have them on you, but the boss, you will quickly die and lose reinforcements, and your team will be pushed back (often leading to turtling and a guaranteed loss). The fact remains that you MUST skip the general, no matter how much you want to. STRATEGY: Upon entering the AV, prep your team so they know what to do. Have 30 of your team rush to the Iceblood Graveyard. Along the way have 2-3 of your team pick up the Snowfall/Frostwolf Graveyards so that those dying at IBGY don't get pushed back too far. Whoever takes control of IBGY first usually takes the game. After you have succesfully taken IB, have your team wait there until it caps. After it caps, two people must be left there at all times, if not more. ALLIANCE: After taking IBGY, split your team. Send half to Iceblood Tower, and half to Tower Point. Again, have them stay until it caps. After this, have your team move out to FWGY, and keep 3-5 on IBGY. Generally this is where the horde have the biggest resistance. Take this and it's almost over. While fighting at FWGY, send a rogue or two into their base to ninja the East/West Frostwolf Towers. Once FWGY is taken, you can relax your grip on SFGY and IBGY, and have your team shift southward. Now you are in the Horde's home turf. Guard the towers until they cap, and send a few to take out the Frostwolf Relief Hut. Once the towers are down and the RH is in your posession, you can declare "ALL IN" and rush Drek. Game. HORDE: After taking IBGY, head north to SFGY. Once this is taken the Alliance lose their foothold into your territory. After this it is easy to "turtle" them at their base (draws out the game, but a win is a win). Progress to Stonehearth Bunker (taking SHGY in passing), then head to Icewing Bunker. Splitting the team is optional if you want to speed up progression, but if the Alliance has a decent defense up, it may be wiser to stay together. Move north to Stormpike Graveyard and it's almost over. It's wise to take the Stormpike Aid Station before assaulting the bunkers, as this will push the entire defense further south, leaving the base wide open for your offense. Knock out the Dun Balder North/South Bunkers, and Van will no longer have guards defending him. Declare "ALL IN" and game. MINOR STRATEGIES: 1) Send rogues into the mines. If the fight is going to be drawn out, you can gather resources here. 2) Take Galv/Balinda only if your team is unable to progress further than that. If your offense isn't strong, chances are you won't be reaching the boss anyway. 3) Sending rogues in to ninja base Graveyards can be helpful for destroying the opponent's defence in worse-case scenarios since you no longer respawn at your starting point if there is still a GY intact. 4) Have those on defense do their turn-ins. Improved guards and bombers (even a raid-level boss if you're good enough) can have a significant impact on the game. Obviously this shouldn't be the main focus. 5) You get bonus honor for having your own Bunkers/Towers intact at the end of the game. If you can keep 1-2 defending each one, you can slow your opponents down a notch, and maybe keep one or two up by the time the game ends. I hope this guide is as good to you as the strategy was to my teams. I am Harmonex of Lightning's Blade. Shadow Priest. Maybe some of you remember me when we were winning on Day 1 of the changes. Since you can still get honor from towers/bunkers even if the game has ended, win or lose, this sparks a new style of play. Obviously if your team doesn't defend, the opposing team will win the game fast. Have your team focus only on assaulting the towers/bunkers. Don't worry about defending your own. Let the enemy cruise through. If we can get both sides to learn to do this, the game will end in 7 minutes. The honor per hour from doing this is probably greater than fighting for a win.
Re: Alterac Valley by Hugo790, Score -0.43
Anyone reading these posts for the first time, be aware that AV has changed significantly in patch 2.3 and thus much of the information posted here is outdated and no longer accurate or appropriate.
Druids new to AV by otb20, Score 0.40
Blizzard has nerfed the Holiday Weekend bonus honor. Originally you would get double the bonus honor that it stated you were awarded (didn't show in your log, but was in your estimated). Now, you only get the holiday bonus from destroying all of your opponents' Towers/Bunkers, AND killing their general. The bonus is equal to 4 honor kills.
So let's recap the total honor you can get from here, not including the honor from killing enemy players. 3 hk for every tower/bunker destroyed. 3 hk for killing a captain. 4 hk for killing the general. 2 hk for having your captain survive. 2 hk for every tower/bunker of yours standing. 4 hk for destroying all towers/bunkers and killing the general. You can earn up to 29 hk per game as a bonus, with an extra 4 on holidays. That's 33 hk. At 70, one hk is worth 20.9 honor. That totals 689.7 bonus honor at most.
Re: Alterac Valley by bchrimes, Score -5.3 Re: Alterac Valley by spacemarine3600, Score 0.40 Re: Alterac Valley by Xerces, Score 0.39 Re: Alterac Valley by ericmweaver, Score 0.00 Playing Rogue and Hunter in AV by Nydra, Score 0.00 Re: Alterac Valley by Savinamon, Score 0.43 Re: Alterac Valley by shizzlesnark, Score 0.00
Too often I hear people say.."we won this 4 times in a row by doing..."
I think the most important general winning strategy is this: whatever the leader or acting leader says, all follow, don't argue. In this battle, time is not on our side, and whatever we decide to do, we must do quickly. There are, however, pros and cons to several so called 'winning' strategies: 1. "Rush RH...do not stop for anything else" This is very risky, but it does sometimes work, mainly because it is not a commonly employed strategy, and the horde are not expecting it. It is a surprise tactic, and as surprise tactics go, work best only when they are not used often, and therefore unexpected. The more we use this, the less it will work. It is also very very risky, because those who die during this have to ress all the way back at home base, and are at a severe disadvantage trying to get all the way back to the action. If doing this, decrease risk by leaving some defense at SFGY. 2. "cap IBGY, then towers, then RH, then Drek" This is a more conservative and commonly employed strategy. The good thing about this is that, even if we do not win, we will still come out with some honor from capping the towers. When employing this strategy, people need to also remember to HOLD the towers until they cap, and HOLD IBGY until we cap a better GY. If one were interested in Honor, this is probably the best way to go. 3. "Rush IBGY, then Galv" The average AV battle at the time of this writing lasts 20 or so mins. Theoretically Galv is good to kill, but taking the time to do so robs us of time needed to cap a tower or two. Trying to kill Galv puts us at a disadvantage trying to win the game. However, people do sometimes actually win doing this, but only if there is a solid team in place of both offense and defence. (I would rather count on strategy number 2 than count on us having a solid team...) However, sometimes as BG leader I have given in to this because others were insistant and I saw the futility of arguing with them, and it was better to get Galv over with quickly than split our forces. 4. "Galv first" Yes, we usually do succeed at this, and yes, we get our 62 Honor points, but when I asked in a battleground what the plan was after this, my answer was "lose as usual". So succinct..that is the likely result of this plan. Yes, this does cause horde to lose 100 reinforcement points, but they quickly make up for that. If doing this, leave some defense at SFGY, then plan to cap IBGY. My preference is to save Galv for battle end..if we know we cannot win, then we cap him for honor. Whatever strategy we like, we also cannot blindly stick to our 'fave' strategy all the time. Every battle is slightly different, and one must also be willing to change tactics as the situation demands. Nydra - Malfurion
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