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    •   Report  Quote Reply Deserves?
      Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Technetium, 3.6 years ago
      Neither hunter nor shaman *deserves* this over the other. Whoever puts in the effort to get exalted *deserves* it. l2p please.
      •   Report  Quote Reply lol
        Score -1.0     Vote: [-] [+] by Slapandrun, 2.6 years ago
        hehe, enchantment shammies indeed

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    •   Report  Quote Reply enHANCEment
      Score 4.4     Vote: [-] [+] by roland1969, 3.5 years ago
      It's an enHANCEment shammy, not enchantment. e-n-h-a-n-c-e-m-e-n-t.  enhancement.  sheesh. 
  •   Report  Quote Reply Well...
    Score -0.55     Vote: [-] [+] by Brachamul, 4.2 years ago
    Waddya want us to wear at level 58? Cloth? Last time I checked Hunters and Shamans wore exactly the same thing, that is, MAIL. Stupid.
    This set isn't worth the trouble of getting exalted, but if you're just trying to get tons of Honor at Arathi, then this is a good side reward. Like the purple staff tho.

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  •   Report  Quote Reply <Blank>
    Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Uwannagethigh, 4.1 years ago
    this place is more funnier then barren chat
  •   Report  Quote Reply This set great for shaman
    Score -0.82     Vote: [-] [+] by Q-Man, 4.1 years ago
    I play an ENH spec shaman... gotta love 1400 attack power with 27% crit with totems... add this set and i am cruising to a lot of high powered crits.

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    •   Report  Quote Reply err...
      Score -0.27     Vote: [-] [+] by Ghostwulf, 4.1 years ago
      whoever said a shammy wouldn't spec enhancement is either an alliance player, someone who has never made an enhancement shammy, or a retard.

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    •   Report  Quote Reply 1400 ap ???
      Score -0.35     Vote: [-] [+] by canc3r, 3.8 years ago
      how u can get all this ap ?? from some gm ?

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      •   Report  Quote Reply 1400 ap
        Score 0.80     Vote: [-] [+] by ICeman71, 2.9 years ago
        before the patch for BC, using Rockbiter weapon enchant is how you would get that much AP. i could do the same with my shamy. too bad its worthless now, WL stuff for sale for honor points not gold?? wow. i never thought i would have any of it and i have 3/6
  •   Report  Quote Reply Ehance Shaman set?
    Score -0.27     Vote: [-] [+] by Kahlana <Bloodline>, 4.1 years ago
    Personally I would use my warpwood binding over this set belt, but the boots are better then the shadowy mail boots I am currently using.

    Overall the best part is the shoulders, the rest is kind of a compromise unless you get the whole set.

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    •   Report  Quote Reply LOL NOOB
      Score -0.82     Vote: [-] [+] by googoo333, 4.1 years ago
      "This is more of a Hunter set tho, no Shamy in his right mind would spec Enhancement, so agility is just pointless. "

      did you know that most shamans spec enhancement so that they can use 2 handers? how about you learn before you say shit.

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        •   Report  Quote Reply kek
          Score 1.5     Vote: [-] [+] by iggdawg, 3.7 years ago
          you have an excellent point here.  My epic hunter has a dreadful time killing shammies clad in the blue pvp set.  I avoid them like the plague on the battlefield.  They really should have put more thought into the epic hunter pvp set since we have to fight shammies.  like maybe +20% resist to all shock or something to give us a fighting chance.  Because, you know, we epic hunters have such a hard time against blue shammies.  Pvp is rough like that I guess.  grin and bear it.

          please tell me you're on Daggerspine =(. 


          That being said, this set is clearly primarily geared towards hunters and the other set primarily gearerd towards shammies.  Of course enhance shammies can also make great use of this set.  and why the hell not, right?  Rolling stigma aside, shadowcraft has some great early feral gear for druids even though it's primarily geared towards rogues.  What does it matter what class Blizz had in mind when crafting the items?  if it benefits you just use it.
          •   Report  Quote Reply Um?
            Score -0.40     Vote: [-] [+] by ecthlipsis, 3.6 years ago
            Why the hell are you bitching, most shammans, including myself, would gladly trade anything for the hunter's set.  Compare Dragonstalker or Giantstalker to the shitty shamman sets.  They aren't well balanced at all, unlike the hunters.

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            •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Um
              Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Dorgano, 3.2 years ago
              The post you were responding to, unlike your own, was at least eloquent and well thought out. 

              Please be silent if you are incapable of adding anything to the discussion.
          •   Report  Quote Reply Nice to see someone who know's how to be polite
            Score 0.40     Vote: [-] [+] by elysdeon, 3.6 years ago
            I agree typically shammies deal more in elemental specs than anything else, thats just the way our talents lean.  However I play and enhancement/resto Shammy to save mana for raids of ZG and MC.  I may not be topping the Damage meter evertime but I still deal loads of damage with Doomulus.(which was a pain to get but worth it)

            I don' t agree that shammens or hunters or any class should be lumped into a "role" when it comes to raids, i've seen shadow priests own in ZG and Warriors drop like flies in BWL.  its all about the skill of the player and the group he/she supports.
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    Score 4.9     Vote: [-] [+] by kirov456, 4.1 years ago
    why are ppl on the internet so unessecerily rude?

    its a sold item which is hunter/shaman so i guess that means hunters and shamans are free to buy it if they choose to. as for if it is worth it or not.. please keep your opinion to yourself, ppl can decide for themselves if they want it or not. happy hunting! :D
  •   Report  Quote Reply enchancment shamys aren't retarded
    Score -0.85     Vote: [-] [+] by acaa, 4.0 years ago
    Why does priest goes to Shadow?
    Why does druid goes to Feral?
    Why does warrior goes to arms/fury?
    BECAUSE THEY WANT PvP
    That is same with enchancment shamys
    Why i have to choose which tree i want to be because i can choose which stiyle i want to be
    Resto shamys are like priest
    Elemental are like mages but with LOWER mana pool and lower dmg(only thing that they have more hp)
    Enchancment shamys aren't like warriors
    Warriors dont have windfury
    They cant about +3kdmg withot execute so stop telling that enchancment shamys sucks or that we are retarded!!!!!!


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    •   Report  Quote Reply Enhancment RULES
      Score 0.30     Vote: [-] [+] by kingofsarnia, 3.9 years ago
      Any enhancment shaman played properly with the right gear (wich is hard to find) Can destroy anything.

      Think of it shaman hit's for 1k-2.5k then crits with shocks for another 1k, shocks are castes every 6 secondes and 2 normal none windfury hits will crit for around 500.

      With 2 windfury attacks and a shock annybody under 4k health would be dead. Anything over 4k health will be dead with the next shock and mayby after the shaman heals his 2.5-3k health and doesent have to worry about his 3-3.5k mana pool.

      However thats just me and shaman played any way with the right gear and the proper person in the chair can own anythning, I just like the efficientcy of enhancment because I dont worry about healing.

      The only downside with relying on shocks is if they get resisted, get lots of 1% chance to hit with spells trinkets and rings.
    •   Report  Quote Reply dont bother healing?
      Score 0.31     Vote: [-] [+] by Krxz, 3.9 years ago
      ever thought about healing ur frineds in Bgs
      and yes im a shammy
      •   Report  Quote Reply Enhancement and healing
        Score 2.2     Vote: [-] [+] by thomkat, 3.9 years ago
        Last edit: 3.9 years ago
        Just to add my two cents to the above couple of comments - I have just respecced enhancement but I still intend to heal in BG. Just because I am now more melee does not mean I've magically lost the heal ability!  Besides, it makes sense to keep your team alive in BG, it means that YOU'll stay alive longer, and the whole team can keep pushing forward :D

        If you're quick you'll be able to do both.  I always play about 3 different roles simultaneously with my shaman - it's why I love her so much!
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dont bother healing?
        Score 7.6     Vote: [-] [+] by hornidon, 1.2 months ago
        yea im a shammy too, some bgs are just to overwhelming and theres to much crap going on so i just stand in the back and heal everyone.
    •   Report  Quote Reply zomg
      Score 0.34     Vote: [-] [+] by scubadrew, 3.8 years ago
      cant wait till i get this +unstopable force + don julios ring gah 3k away from revered then gotta do all of that : (
    •   Report  Quote Reply hmm...
      Score 5.5     Vote: [-] [+] by iggdawg, 3.7 years ago
      All of you people expounding on Enhancement as the end-all pvp shammy spec are shortsighted.  Don't get me wrong, I love the enhance tree and plan to spec to it when my gear will support it's a good time.  Like I read on a post off the shammy forums, "when you lose it's like any other loss.  But when you win, it's a spectacular win."

      Thing is, sure you can 1-shot this and 2-shot that.  Big WF procs with this set and TUF, even bigger with a crit or two (or wtfthree O_o).  Follow up stormstrike if the poor clothie isn't dead.  If that doesn't proc WF either and you still need to pour more hate on your poor bloody squirming target, smash it's face with earthshock and delight in the 20% damage buff.  If all goes well you've delivered an insane amount of damage in about 1.5 seconds.

      But you know what...  it doesn't always go well.  we don't brag about it, but we've all had fights where we don't proc WF.  at all.  we stand there hopping around the target waiting for our lumbering 3.Xs bricks-on-sticks to wind up for another swing, spamming the crap out of shocks in the mean time for all we're worth in an attempt to fill the void between swings with some kind of damage.  80% of the time WF won't proc on the first swing.  they could even dodge or parry it.  It's even better to blow stormstrike only to have that swing not proc either, or have it get dodged/parried.  most PvP fights will yield 0-1 windfury and a crit or two.  some will yield none of either...  about the same number that will yield both in the combination you're looking for.  What it amounts to is you running up to the target (maybe toss some lightning or a shock first for style) and hitting it with a big stick, hoping against odds for voodoo magic to kill your target for you.  But like I said, don't get me wrong...  it is a fun build and I plan on playing it some more.

      Those of you that say people who say elemental spec shammies are retards have clearly never given it a proper try.  just like people who say stormstrike is for retards.  The thing about elemental spec is that it's more reliable.  The DPS with lightning mastery is great even without crits, and the crit rate is pretty damn good with talents... and you're critting for 100% damage. also, if I understand things right, +spell is added before the 1s cast time reduction, so you get a very good DPS boost from +spell gear (the buff is added as if it were 3sec cast, not 2 sec).  also people that say your mana is done after 1 fight are coming from experience with enchance gear mostly.  when geared for elemental spec, you'll have significantly more mana than enhance.  I won't go into elemental mastery vs nature's swiftness.  that's another post for another day and I've already written plenty. 
      •   Report  Quote Reply ok
        Score 0.62     Vote: [-] [+] by yogus, 3.1 years ago
        if you dont have nerves for WF - use Rockbiter :)
        i find my dps beter with RB..
    •   Report  Quote Reply ......
      Score -0.75     Vote: [-] [+] by Conthis, 3.7 years ago
      whoever said shammies need agility more then hunters should be condemned to a life of torture.

      Hunters need agi faaar more then shammies we need it for atck power crits and alot of things while shammies need it for crits big woop no shammie should ever roll on BS if theres a hunter there and if the hunter doesnt need it then the shammie could have it

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    •   Report  Quote Reply Elem shamm
      Score 0.38     Vote: [-] [+] by Dutch91, 3.7 years ago
      My sham is now lvl 59, and got all the elemental talents except for those improving fire totems: confirmed; its works good, i still had some leftover point, enough for 3 points in flurry
    •   Report  Quote Reply p.s.
      Score 0.38     Vote: [-] [+] by Dutch91, 3.7 years ago
      and my chain lightning with elemental mastery on it crits on all 3 its targets, 1,3 k on first, and then something like 0,9 k on 2nd target, and 0,6 k on the last target, wich is still good compared to a non-crit lightning bolt, and dont forget that clearcasting tends to proc quite a lot, removing the high mana cost for for example a chain lightning
    •   Report  Quote Reply Hah
      Score 0.80     Vote: [-] [+] by Capo2, 3.6 years ago
      I vote you all do what Warriors do. Spec PvP, then get a set of gear for PvP and a set of gear for PvE. Then stop bitching about it. And yes, enhancement shamen are viable, but in my experience, the elemental shamen are just downright unstoppable.
    •   Report  Quote Reply lol, a bunch of retards..
      Score -1.0     Vote: [-] [+] by ZP Theart, 2.6 years ago
      look, retards, if a shaman want this, let him get it? its nothing like he is stealing it from you, is it? fucking retard.

      and yes, i do know.. hunters are just greedy and want all the epix.. and 80% of the people playing a hunter is either 10 or 12.


      l2p

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    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: The Defiler's Determination
      Score 1.0     Vote: [-] [+] by kkang, 2.5 years ago
      im ench spec shammy (53 hellscream) i got all blue gear with twig of the world tree i currently get 1,6k windfury crits 800 normal crits so you telling me that 1,6k-1,6k-800 (4k) sucks for an auto attack now i know you gunna say oooooooooooh only if you crit but i hit 400s with 600wf hits still 1,6k auto attack 



          ench FTW 
                    good for leveling to .... so happy hunting!
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