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This drops from doomwalker just outside the instance entrance in the black temple... 2k AoE, 20k crushing damage yummeh
"I guess you've never heard of +dmg scaling to cast time. For the +dmg you see, multiply that by the fraction of your spell's original cast time / 3.5 and that's how much damage you actually get."
Lightning Bolt and Frostbolt have the same original cast time (3 seconds), Frostbolt gets -5% +damage bonus for being a 2.5 second cast (brought back to +5% with Empowered Frostbolt), while Lightning Bolt gets the same +damage at 2 seconds as at 3 seconds. Even the +5% spell damage is more than equaled by Lightning Overload (A 5% chance to cast a second Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning after any cast, and it will proc off itself and can crit). Both frost mages and Ele Shaman get 100% bonus to criticals. The +6% damage talent in Frost tree is matched by +5% damage in Shaman Elemental. Basically, with all the talents done and equal +damage/crit and no aggro issue (think Ragnaros style), Shaman will hit for the same amount of damage as a Frost Mage, but do it every 2 seconds instead of every 2.5.
However, mail +damage and crit itemization is piss poor, and as such you'll rarely see an Elemental Shaman with the gear to go toe-to-toe on the damage meter with a Frost Mage in equal quality gear (i.e. Both have Tier 4/5). Once you factor in AOE, Mages climb ahead easily. Arcane/Fire Mages will dominate a shammy day in and day out though, despite having only 50% (75% if more arcane then fire) bonus to spell crit. And even if the Shaman does manage to go toe-to-toe with a mage in a raid on the damage meters, he's going to pull aggro so fast that he's down in about 20 seconds due to the meager 10% passive aggro reduction that Elemental Shaman have. At least the mage can switch to better aggro reduction with Arcane Missiles or iceblock if aggro gets pulled
- JimmyOlsen: Level 70 Draenei Shaman, Uldum. 41/0/20
your math is a bit off, since the %s are multiplied rather than added.
both spells start with ~85% spell damage (3/3.5) frost bolt then takes a 5% penalty by having a slow effect on it 0.85*0.95 = 0.8075 (80.75%). Then due to the new changes to imp frostbolt/fireball, you take another 10% off 0.8*0.9 = 0.72. To save space, in this post I allowed rounding error, however if you don't round at all you come up with 73.2857% for frostbolt. Lightning bolt doesn't take the -10% or the -5% penalties so it stays at 85.7143%
Further take each % and divide by talented cast time to get DPS%. Lightning bolt is 42.857% Frostbolt is 29.314% As can be seen 168 spell damage will add ~49 DPS to a frost mage and ~72 DPS for a Elem shaman. However you would still need to factor in % increases in damage and empowered frostbolt (for pure frost rather than arc/frost). But the faster cast time on LB DOES make it SCALE considerably better than frostbolt, and slight better than fireball, meaning you could make this argument about ANY piece of +spell damage gear.
However, who gets this all depends on your guild/group's loot rules, and whoever wins the roll/dkp/decision/etc. But yes, it does give slightly more to a shaman than a mage, although if the shaman is healing a certain % of the time, then it would not be put to use as often as it would in the hands of the mage.
This dropped off of the Doomwalker infront of Black Temple today after we killed it.
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You, sir, are retarded. Doomwalker is, in no way, as hard as any of the bosses of BT. He is more along the lines of T4 Raids. Therefore, what this guy said is 100% possible...
I am tired of people calling each other liars...how the hell do you know that they have no rogue? You are just an idiot that had nothing better to do than pick fights over the internet.
I am tired of people calling each other liars...how the hell do you know that they have no rogue? You are just an idiot that had nothing better to do than pick fights over the internet.
Actually, that's exactly what you're doing as well. Posting a comment nearly 11 months after the OP, and expecting it to get through to him....real mature.
Drops of Doomwalker in Shadowmoon Valley.
2x Potent Noble Topaz + 40 Spelldmg!
Best PvE 1h Ingame afaik.
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With talents shamans can also add another +11 to crit with Call of Thunder and Tidal Mastery. Since the extra casts from Lightning Overload can also crit, elemental shamans can potentially put out some serious DPS. Lightning Overload sucks 95% of the time but that last 5% kicks ass.
Tidal Mastery +5% Damage for CRIT
damag 100%dmg
Crit 150%dmg
Tidal Mastery + Crit 155%dmg
Elemental Fury + Crit 200%dmg
Elementel Fury + Tidal Mastery + crit 205%dmg
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If a guild has an elem shaman or a balance druid that raid and play DPS most of the time, then thy should have as much right to something like this as a mage/lock/shadow priest. If it's about progression, then you want all your caster DPS to do as well as possible, no matter what the class is.
I am a raiding elemental shaman and i was given this dagger. And since this is the best dagger for an elemental shaman i wont be needing to upgrade until black temple which is a little ways off. Since it is a little while away Im putting the pvp crit gem and the pvp dmg and crit gem in it.
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he means the pvp gems which cost honor to buy, theyre infact equal to the endgame epic gems ;>
what does it matter where he gets his gems? last time i checked +12 spell damage is +12 spell damage, no matter where you get it from. and furthermore, if he's getting his gems from pvp, then he's not gonna roll against your pve only guys when an epic gem drops in a raid or heroic.
Punctuation.. It's meant to be used dude.
10k crit curse of doom eh? Too bad curse of doom doesn't crit.
towards the "cod doesnt crit statement", i dont know if i just got lucky but ive played a lock with exactly 1029 spell damage and got a cod to crit/tick for 8k+ and always lower than 7k the rest of the times (same boss no debuffs) sure that means it does crit or for some reason the dmg just drasticly increase >.<
I've had a CoD tick for over 10k on my lock, Amplify curse plus Vengeance of the Illidari trinket and a Wrath of Air totem on temporus in BM
32k cod on curator while evocating
used amp. curse ofc and the +dmg trink from the badges
ownage.
Arguably the merciless gladiator's spellblade is still better than this if it's socketed with 2 potent noble topazs (+4hit/+5dmg). The crit is a nice bonus but regardless, most casters still value +dmg over crit in most scenarios.
Oh and for the CoD critting argument:
"Netherspite suffers 48113 Shadow damage from your Curse of Doom." Notice the reverse syntax that is characteristic of DoT spells doing damage. If it crit then it would say "Your Curse of Doom crits Netherspite for 48113 Shadow damage."
And for those wondering, I got that with a sacced succy with blood fury, trinkets, amp curse, and 45 stacks of the blue beam. /cheer
Arguably the merciless gladiator's spellblade is still better than this if it's socketed with 2 potent noble topazs (+4hit/+5dmg). The crit is a nice bonus but regardless, most casters still value +dmg over crit in most scenarios.
Stick in 2 10+ resil and youve got 2 more resil than the gladiators spellblade. Would be a good pre-pvp weapon, but youd probably sooner get the pvp blade anyway...
Why would he have wiped? If you're thinking he pulled aggro & died, you'd be wrong - Netherspite has no aggro table as long as someone is in the red beam tanking.
Although CoD does not do periodic damage that is associated with DOTs, it is still considered a DOT and therefore can not crit. CoD sits on the target for 60 seconds and at that point applies 4200 shadow damage to the target. CoD receives 200% of your +damage/+shadow gear bonus. Combine that with the 200% damage bonus from Currators evocate phase as well as Amplify Curse (50% increase to the curses damage) and you will see some insane numbers that give the impression of a crit.
I gem my gear with unique-equip gems too... cause its really possible!
lets say that a shaman would be in dire need of a new wep, but doesnt have enough arena points and doesnt get to play during primetime raiding hours, how feasible would it be to get a group together to take down doomwalker a few times until this drops? like is doomwalker 5-mannable, 10-mannable, or must it be a 20 man? pvp doesnt offer any really good rewards anymore, and nobody does 5 mans during lunchbreak hours so tell me, is this dagger a better bet to try for?
Not really - you'd need a sensible (coherent, coordinated) raid group.
PvP doesn't give good rewards? Well perhaps you missed the portion of PvP known as Arena with some of, if not the, best weapons in the game. If you can't get around to grinding up Arena points now you can by S1 weapons (which are still quite good) for pure honor.
Actually... Doomwalker and Kazzak loot is soon going to be BoE In the upcoming patch... So everyone and their gold pharming mothers has a chance at this sweet piece'o purple.
alright what i meant about the alliance shamman thing was that the only one that I have seen use chain did 3.6k might be better idk but CoD cant crit it does get extra dmg tho(how did this get started again?).
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