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    Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by sakchin, 1.8 years ago
    Last edit: 1.8 years ago
    "I guess you've never heard of +dmg scaling to cast time.  For the +dmg you see, multiply that by the fraction of your spell's original cast time / 3.5 and that's how much damage you actually get."

    Lightning Bolt and Frostbolt have the same original cast time (3 seconds), Frostbolt gets -5% +damage bonus for being a 2.5 second cast (brought back to +5% with Empowered Frostbolt), while Lightning Bolt gets the same +damage at 2 seconds as at 3 seconds.  Even the +5% spell damage is more than equaled by Lightning Overload (A 5% chance to cast a second Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning after any cast, and it will proc off itself and can crit).  Both frost mages and Ele Shaman get 100% bonus to criticals.  The +6% damage talent in Frost tree is matched by +5% damage in Shaman Elemental. Basically, with all the talents done and equal +damage/crit and no aggro issue (think Ragnaros style), Shaman will hit for the same amount of damage as a Frost Mage, but do it every 2 seconds instead of every 2.5.

    However, mail +damage and crit itemization is piss poor, and as such you'll rarely see an Elemental Shaman with the gear to go toe-to-toe on the damage meter with a Frost Mage in equal quality gear (i.e. Both have Tier 4/5).  Once you factor in AOE, Mages climb ahead easily.  Arcane/Fire Mages will dominate a shammy day in and day out though, despite having only 50% (75% if more arcane then fire) bonus to spell crit.  And even if the Shaman does manage to go toe-to-toe with a mage in a raid on the damage meters, he's going to pull aggro so fast that he's down in about 20 seconds due to the meager 10% passive aggro reduction that Elemental Shaman have.  At least the mage can switch to better aggro reduction with Arcane Missiles or iceblock if aggro gets pulled

    - JimmyOlsen: Level 70 Draenei Shaman, Uldum.  41/0/20
    •   Report  Quote Reply You're sorta correct...but
      Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Firreir, 1.7 years ago
      your math is a bit off, since the %s are multiplied rather than added.

      both spells start with ~85% spell damage (3/3.5) frost bolt then takes a 5% penalty by having a slow effect on it 0.85*0.95 = 0.8075 (80.75%).  Then due to the new changes to imp frostbolt/fireball, you take another 10% off 0.8*0.9 = 0.72.  To save space, in this post I allowed rounding error, however if you don't round at all you come up with 73.2857% for frostbolt.  Lightning bolt doesn't take the -10% or the -5% penalties so it stays at 85.7143%

      Further take each % and divide by talented cast time to get DPS%.  Lightning bolt is 42.857% Frostbolt is 29.314%  As can be seen 168 spell damage will add ~49 DPS to a frost mage and ~72 DPS for a Elem shaman.  However you would still need to factor in % increases in damage and empowered frostbolt (for pure frost rather than arc/frost).  But the faster cast time on LB DOES make it SCALE considerably better than frostbolt, and slight better than fireball, meaning you could make this argument about ANY piece of +spell damage gear.

      However, who gets this all depends on your guild/group's loot rules, and whoever wins the roll/dkp/decision/etc.  But yes, it does give slightly more to a shaman than a mage, although if the shaman is healing a certain % of the time, then it would not be put to use as often as it would in the hands of the mage.
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