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    Score 0.95     Vote: [-] [+] by Scynadumos, 1.8 years ago
    As a warrior, I totally dissagree with "Tanks have one and only job in an instance..." DPS classes need to control their DPS, because im more likely to use taunt on a healer then on some dumb DPS class. Unless your proc. spec, taunt has a 10 sec. cooldown, something you DPS classes need to learn.
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      Score 9.7     Vote: [-] [+] by mi3ke, 1.1 years ago
      Amen.  I play mostly caster dps, but my druid sometimes tanks or heals, and I agree *completely* with this.

      The tank has two key jobs, and they are tough enough.  They must keep plenty of threat on their main target (either the first kill or the hardest hitting boss), *and* get some threat on every other mob in combat before the first heal gets cast.  Healers cannot do their job without putting a bit of aggro on every mob in combat.  Everybody else can choose who to put threat on, and it's their job to only put threat on things that the tank is holding securely or that they can handle.

      As a mage, I will sometimes AoE and this is very efficient with large groups of low level or non-elites, but it's my job to wait for a situation where I have enough power and emergency measures to hand to keep myself alive until most of the mobs are dead, *and* to make sure the healer is ok with me doing this, in case I misjudge slightly. 

      If I misjudge by a *lot*, say I let fly with a blizzard or AE spam and end up being swarmed by 6 elites at 1/2+ health with FN, CC and blink all on cooldown, that is *my* problem and not the healer's or the tank's. 

      If I insist on doing dicey AoE with only one offspec or low-level healer in the party, I might be a moron.

      If I'm not doing AoE and I regularly draw aggro that I can't handle, then I'm definitely a moron.  It is not that difficult to keep from being hit as a ranged dps if we are controlling the fight.  I should either be hitting the main target, or taking some easy mob where I don't need any help (or healing) to finish them off myself.  Once in a while, I'll blow this and hit the wrong target by accident or get a crazy crit. 

      Oops.  I should have snares available to keep my guy near the tank for a bit without taking much damage. 

      Or maybe not - in which case, help me if you can, but if not, let me die -- *my* problem. 

      If I do this repeatedly, it's not just a clicko and I would expect to be *booted* by a decent group leader if it was causing real problems.

      Everybody blames the healer or the tank, but most of the time, the problem is some dps who doesn't realize that their job, while much easier than the tank's, is not just shooting anything that moves and yelling "heal me!  heal me!"
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        Score 2.0     Vote: [-] [+] by 1337m0rt4n, 1.0 year ago
        that was probly THE smartest comment I've EVER read on thottbot. I praise you
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        Score 0.29     Vote: [-] [+] by suttondude, 11.1 months ago
        I ALWAYS make sure that the rest of the party know the "you spank it first, you tank it" rule. dps needs to learn that early on.
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        Score 0.70     Vote: [-] [+] by Aldrisofuldaman, 5.5 months ago
        Wow i also praise you
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Tank
        Score 0.35     Vote: [-] [+] by karnje1291, 2.9 months ago
        That was well thought out lucid and straight to the point as a Preist I my job becomes much easier when the DPS PC's know thier jobs. I can focus on my tank and how many adds are coming in without running around healing the DPS. Amen for the smart players :)
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Tank
        Score 0.60     Vote: [-] [+] by Sordel, 2.5 months ago
        Yes, good comment. As a priest I duo a lot with a hunter, and he knows that keeping him alive is a priority EXCEPT in instances, where he generally gets the last heal. A lot of DPS players seem to play with one eye on the Damage Meter, when they should really be looking at the screen to work out what the Tank and Healer are doing. Getting to the top of the table is less important than letting the Tank generate threat.

        You read a lot a lot of boasting here from people who get to the top of the DPS table, but the measure of any individual's success in a party is whether the party cleared its instance comfortably.
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Tank
          Score 0.82     Vote: [-] [+] by saintssob, 9.5 days ago
          Im a pretty solid caster, come up with quite a fair few PUGs where I can cause more threat/aggro than the MT.  My suggestion for casters is to solely attack whoever the tank is on, and watch the threat, if pulling too much aggro hold off for a moment and let the tank build the threat back up.

          I also keep an eye out for the healer in the group to make sure they haven't drawn any mobs and help out asap if that occurs.  Casters must know that the healer's first job is keeping the main tank going and secondly that they are going along smoothly, casters come in for healing when and if there's an availability.
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