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  •   Report  Quote Reply Hunter Weapon
    Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by kashia581, 1.6 years ago
    THis is an awsome hunter weapon if u duel weild them.
    •   Report  Quote Reply dual wielding ok.
      Score 1.3     Vote: [-] [+] by Visual.Noise, 1.6 years ago
      yea u can dual wield them, but as a hunter you wouldnt want to shell out the cash/mats for this, when you could just get Terokk's Quill
      http://thottbot.com/i29329

      which is a free quest item, which over all has marginally better stats, and since its 2 handed, you can get better enchants and hit bigger raptor strike crits.

      felsteel longblade x2 =

      52 agi
      30 stam
      +30 agi (enchants)

      terokk's quill =
      54 agi
      33 stam
      +35 agi (enchant)
      -or-
      +70 ap (enchant: savagery)

      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
        Score 1.9     Vote: [-] [+] by Chanrek, 1.4 years ago
        Last edit: 1.4 years ago
        Maybe the hunter want +30 int to both of them... that's 60 int we're talking 'bout, 15mp5 with Aspect of the Viper, 900 mana, 27 ranged attack power ( for MM hunter )... I think this x2 beats the most 2h out there ( with these enchants, they are very cheap enchants... 'bout 80g each )

        Well...

        Felsteel Longblade
        BoE
        1-h            Sword
        128 - 239 dmg        Speed 2.20
        ( 83.4 dps )
        +26 agility
        +15 stamina
        < +30 intellect >
        Durability 105 / 105
        Req lvl 70
        Item lvl 105


        Well...

        A regular hunter has about 1.4k melee attack power at 70 ( I think ) ( I'm not saying you melee that much ), that's an increase in dps of 100, lets say:

        83.4 dps + 100 dps = 183.4 dps, and 183.4 / 2 = 91.7

        That's 183.4 dps in main hand and 91.7 dps in offhand...
        275.1 dps in total...

        Now to stats:

        One gives +26 agility, 15 stamina <and> 30 intellect
        Two gives +52 agility, 30 stamina <and> 60 intellect

        Now lets take Terokk's Quill, the spear that the guy above me talked about:

        Terokk's Quill
        BoP
        2-h         Polearm
        246 - 370 Dmg Speed 3.30
        (93.3 damage per second)
        +54 Agility
        +33 Stamina
        < +70 attack power > or < +35 agility >
        Durability 100 / 100
        Item Level 115

        Well... lets have a look:

        93.3 dps + 100 dps = 193.3 dps, that's 81.8 lower than dw'ing the blades...

        Now stats:

        +54 agility
        +33 stamina
        < +70 attack power >

        or

        +54 agility
        +33 stamina
        < + 35 agility >

        =

        +89 agility
        +33 stamina

        Now comparing:

        The blades:                                                    Terokk's Quill

        275.1 dps                                                      193.3 dps      ( 81.8 -)
        +52 agility                            vs                      +89 agility    ( 37+)   
        +30 stamina                                                  +33 stamina  ( 3+)
        +60 intellect                                                                        ( 60-)

        Well... we see the difference = The Felsteel Longblades are better, but much more expensive...

        81.8 higher dps with blades
        37 less agility
        3 less stamina
        60 more intellect

        I think it's worth sacrificing 37 agi and 3 stam for 81.8 dps and 60 intellect ( 900 mana, 15mp5 with Viper and 27 ranged attack power with MM spec )

        -Chanrek-
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
          Score 0.32     Vote: [-] [+] by Kitaka, 1.4 years ago
          Dang man! All that math @_@ thats alot to keep track of!!
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
          Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by RhaeAU, 1.3 years ago
          Changing the enchant, then removing the enchant for the the 2h does not count as an argument point.  do not forget the 2h weapons can have int enchants too...
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
          Score 2.4     Vote: [-] [+] by OdiumDei, 1.2 years ago
          hi there,

          you did make a missconception at saying that the meelee dps with the two blades would be higher...which they wouldnt. Simply due to the dual wield hit penalty of 19%. Even as a full PvE-raid-hunter you wont have more than 9% tohit...it just makes no sense for hunters (no raid-hunter with 9% hit would wield either of these weapon choices...but hey!) which leaves you with 0% misses with the Quill and 15% misses with the blades. This affects white dmg only, but only fr white dmg the blades would come anywhere close to the Quill.
          The real numbers in meelee dps would look far away from that calculation however, because of any hunter who knows what hes doing throwing in a single raptor while runnig past will be ~50% of all meelee. And Raptor is much better with the Quill.

          What you say about dual +30 int entchants is perfectly right and these are great, especially as a Marksman with AotV active, but you can use ANY combination of one/main/off-handed weapons for that pupose and the difference between any lvl68-70 quest dagger and these is non-existant for a hunter, as the only difference will be the meelee dps which are just totaly out of interest.

          With the upcoming 2.2 patch changes of AotV hunters wont have viper active all the time, but only when their mana-level is low (as any non-lazy hunter has done it until now already), which makes an int-dual-wield equip only suitable for switching...and therefore you wont need epic weapons as a hunter....really.

          Besides that, manapotions solve any manatrouble a hunter might ever run into as long as he knows that spamming stings and arcane shot isnt anywhere close to dpsing...especially since hunter is the only class in the game that can use fel-manapots without any drawbacks...what makes a pure int equip even more obsolete.

          The only and really only reason a hunter would choose these that i can see would be the looks...the only situations a hunter ever needs extra hp from weapons is in PvP...and two-handed weapons have always had the edge over dual-wielding for hunters in PvP for many reasons...its not only the raptor strike. if you can live without the extra hp, even the good old hakkari warblades are still quite eqivalent for a hunter...and look better.

          A note to looks: Female Nightelves still suffer a glitch from the adjustment of the backmounted mainhand...the offhand will still be in the same place es before...which makes dual backmounted weapons look bad on female nightelves atm imho. And considering it took Blizzard 3 years to adjust the mainhand slot in the first place, i wouldnt bet on them making the offhand look right any time soon...

          just my 2 cents.
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
          Score 0.54     Vote: [-] [+] by cvoge19, 6.3 months ago
          Chanrek,

          You are still missing one important point.  Hunters don't like melee.  While the DPS is better with the dual wield, losing the agility really hurts a hunter when they are using the bow.  Being a hunter, I get out of melee as soon as possible.  With the cost being so high, dual blading these would not be worth it at all.  On top of that, the agility would make a hunter (and his pet for BM) much stronger with Terrokks Quill.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
        Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by darkstarboy, 1.4 years ago
        Okay, i have Felsteel Longblade x2 personally, and I have to say, why in Hell would u ever put +30 agi (dual enchants) when u could put dual mongoose, which is what i chose. Dual procs own anything, and mongoose procs so often it's scary.

        Can u even imagine the amount of AP u have instead of +30agi??? 30 is puny... try like 220+ or whatever AP it is, thats where the dps is at. 2.2 speed ftw. Specially after they fixed the double swing mechanics of the rogue with last patch. All y'all is crazy for hating, these blades rape DW, 'nuff said.
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
          Score 0.33     Vote: [-] [+] by Slayerdrow, 1.3 years ago
          That's true if we are talking for rogues. But Mongoose enchant is a melee proc, and hunters are not likely to see a benefit from that except upon rare occasion in PvP.

          Your post doesn't seem to mention class.

          For rogues, you're right.
          •   Report  Quote Reply Re: dual wielding ok.
            Score -1.6     Vote: [-] [+] by pimpownzu, 1.2 years ago
            are you're dead in the head? he said 60 intelligent enchant... last i recall rogues don't use mana...
            for a rogue? phsst...
            why would anyone want to go with such a slow weapon? for mainhand, it's ok but offhand? go find something faster to dps with.



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