none of the BC raids will be 40-man

mmm, only Archimonde was wtfpwt by Malfurion Stormrage(Illidan's brother), Nordrassil and countless whisps, not Illidan

Good point. Illidan never did anything to us. He saved Azeroth, like what, 3 times?

1. Killed Azzinoth
2. Helped out with saving the world in WC3: RoC
3. Got Arthas to stop raping the Eastern Kingdoms in WC3: TFT

Now he owns Outland and we've decided to move in and take his land! We're like colonists, he and his crew are like the natives. We make him look like a bad guy for defending himself and now we're ordered to kill him.

Hooray to Blizzard for using real world concepts in WoW!

about some of these people:

Ragnos:(or how ever you spell it)is NOT a titan,he was the fire elemental gerneral for the old gods when they was very hostile towards to the titans that wanted to make this new simple world that had no life execpt these "gods" Ragnos and 4 other generals was slain tho they was ELEMENTALS.the Old Gods there was 5 of them that had 5 citidals,but was defeated by the titans but was so powerful they could not be killed so they are in 5 differnt vaults DEEP within azeroth.and just one of them cant be killed by 10 titans(there is 10 titans i think total)and they can summon an elemental army by them selves.so think if one of them is bad think about all 5 so those twilight people are idiots thinking that they will be spared.

Sargeras:IS NOT A TITAN,he was their BEST TROOP,he got really depressed about killing alot of the nethrezem(deadlords)and the edar.so thus he made the burning legion and made Archimond the Corrupter and Kil'jaden the Deciver his generals and Archimond liked the pit lords and had the strongest and best of them Magtheragon the Destroyer his gneral and Kil'jaden liked the dreadlords so he made the most powerful one Tichonderus the most cunning and powerful his little general type deal.but he hated the titans by now and wanted to destroy all of their work and he came to azeroth for the Well of Eternity,but azeroth had to sacrifice it to kill him,so thats where the malestrom came from,Azeroth was once one content now is 3.

Illidan:Killing him is a BAD thing,if you played WC3 remember when he shut down those other portals...well those are the once Ner'zul opened to escaped Kil'jaden.and now he wants to shut off the last one "The Dark Portal" to make Outland cut off from the other planets to keep the burning leogion from ever going to azeroth.BUT right now hes keeping all of those others closed(AKA no burning legion reinforcements)KILLING HIM=Kil'jaden can bring the rest of the burning leogion to outland and where the "Dark Portal"is not closed...guess what?say hello to the other leader of this big legion oh and Archimond only brought the army of outland there....there is Hundreds of planets tooken over by the burning leogion.and they are pissed so guess what?we have 8 planets declareing war on us.so blame the naaru for when we are all dieing.and also...Illidan saved the blood elves from dieing...and Keal'thas sent his army to shattra city to enable illidan to shut off the last portal.but thats the Scryers now,and also...the blood elves in azeroth are waiting for Keal'thas to come back home,so killing Keal'thas will piss them off.and i dont want to talk about all of the warcraft lore to him.But he did make the 2 well of eternity giving the night elves imortality...thats why he was imprisioned.in my opinion...id be greatful that i can now live forever...but hey...they are elves -_-

Archimond:Why the hell did they make Illidan stronger then him?HE WAS MORE POWERFUL THEN KIL'JADEN just more stupid.and he took out daralan with one spell and illidan shits himself at kil'jaden...so why is illidan stronger then archimond if kil'jaden makes illidan piss himself?and they ned to make him ALOT bigger....if you beat WC3 rain of chaos(not frozen throne)Archimond was almost as big as the world tree.and note:when he dies a BIG exploesion happens.but they had to TRICK archimond....or we would not be able to play this game because we would all be D-E-A-D.im not going into his lore.

Manneroth:all i got to say is hes the strongest pitlord to ever live and he made all the others piss their little for legged ass to hell.

Ner'zul(Litch King):He taught Gul'dan as a Shaman while Kil'jaden Taught Gul'dan as a warlock.Ner'zul was basicly a Thrall in his day,but he pissed off Kil'jaden and needed to flee...so he made some portals but he needed some items to make them work...and we had them in daralan.thus starting the 2 war,when he got them he came back to outland and the army of the allience came through with him to finish off the orcs whn ner'zul opened the portals the energy was so powerful it was tearing the planet apart and both the humans and orcs fought their way to azeroth and only 2 clans made it,the Warsong clan was being led by Grom Hellscream if you play WC3 you will know him.and the Frostwolf Clan,the Frost wolf clan was put into slavery and thats where thrall comes into play,but back to ner'zul....Kil'jaden found him as he was traveling to another world.and tore his body apart but kelp his spirt attached to it so he would feel the pain,and ner'zul begged to die but Kil'jaden kelp him alive....then he made him a deal,he would give him eternal life and a new body if we weakend azeroth for the main attack by the legion...so he accepted.when he got there he was in a ice shard and the ice around him shifted into a throne.but he soon was finding out his powers was becoming limitless (his mid powers that is) and he was directly putting the plague into the villigers of the land,and he now could move hunterds of troops doing differnt things with ease.then the nerubians and him got into a war...he could not but the plague directly in them but when they died...they would serve him.in the end he won.but now he has taken over that land.and now he sent out a physcic wave and thats where Kel'thlazad comes in....he left daralan to find the litch king....and he finally went to northrend....when he got to the litch kings citadel we was confronted by skeletons....but they did not kill him...insted he was able to meet the litch king...he willingly offered the litch king his soul for power,the litch king liked that so he took it happly,but let him keep control of his body and his humanity.and kel'thlazad came back and hid for 4 yeas making a cult of the damned....but the litch king also knew that kil'jaden would kill him when he was no longer useful...so he searched for a champion....one that didnt know the differnce between the light and the dark.and he found Arthas Menthil.

Medivh:He was the most powerful magic user that had mortal blood.he was part high elven and part human,his father was a powerful mage that was addicted to magic,his monther was the gaurdian of tirisfal.both his father and his mother put their powers within Medivh before he was born....he didnt have the powers until he was 13 and went kinda crazed with it.and he made contact with the most strongest orc to ever live...Gul'dan.He now has been talking for him for some time....and medivh wanted to know so much about outland...that he offerd Gul'dan to read his mind while he read Gul'dans....gul'dan let this happend...but the info he coundent get,it was moving so fast and there was so much that gul'dan was getting nothing....while medivh.....found out a great deal of info....but the Gul'dan broke the connection and hid for 3 weeks in the Neather storm....until Medivh found him again....then thats when medivh made the deal about telling Gul'dan of the tomb of sargeras...if he brought in the orcs to azeroth to rid medivh of his enemys...so they accpeted.and gul'dan worked on one side of the portal while medivh work on his side where the portal was now functional.thats when the orcs took out stormwind.and did much and medivh kelpt his end of the deal.and medivh died sending out ALOT of phycic energy that made gul'dan unable to fight same with alot of the Shadow Councile when the warcheif invated their keep.and later Gul'dan betrayed the warcheif and took 1/2 of his troops to the tomb....leaving the orcs unable to destroy lorderean.


(sorry for the bad grammar and pretty much this stuff you can find if you read the books and play the games so try and prove me wrong and tell me wich page you read it and the book...or tell me wich mission....)
(sorry for some miss spelling,im not going to go into everyones lore.)

Yes, he currently is banished.

He IS one of the good guys though!

I mean, the invasion of Shattrath wasn't even an invasion really. All it was was some of Kael's troops marching towards Shattrath to switch sides. Everyone there thought that they were about to invade, when they didn't do a thing!

Illidan doesn't try to kill you. No where does he invade any Horde/Alliance towns. His troops just stay where they are, minding their own business, and then some damn Heros of Azeroth come and try to kill them. In fact, you rarely see Illidan's forces at all.

Once in Hellfire in the ruins south of the Cenarion Camp, but all it looks like there is that they are mining for some crystal. Does this mean that we should go kill anyone who's ever mined a copper vein? I mean, sure the Fel Orcs work for him, but they also never actually go and raid Thrallmar or Honor Hold. They just kind of sit inside or near Hellfire Citidel minding their own business. We are the ones that go and try to kill them.

Zangarmarsh, in here we have the Naga, which work for Illidan, and they are draining the lakes sure. But it takes a lot of water to quench an armies thirst, does this mean we should kill anyone who's ever drunk water to ever get mana back?

In Terokkar, there is only one place I can think of where Illidan's forces are, the Fel Orcs in the ruins of the one place. They just look like they are trying to rebuild their town. I mean, look at Lakeshire in Redridge Mountains, the bridge there was destroyed, does that mean we should kill the people who give the quests to help repair it? Now remember, the Blood Elves don't count as Illidan's forces as they work for Kael'thas, who had betrayed Illidan.

I can't think of anywhere in Nagrand where is forces are. All thats really there is wildlife, ogres, and a few demons from the Burning Legion.

Same with Blades Edge Mountains, I can't think of anywhere in there where Illidan has his forces. Just a few ogres, gronn, demons and wildlife there.

Netherstorm, this is all Kael up here, and Kael has betrayed Illidan, so none of these forces that are destroying the land up here are under Illidan's orders to do so. If we should say anyone is evil, we should say Kael is. He also dropped a giant crystal in Hellfire.

Shadowmoon Valley. Heres where most of Illidans forces are. Now, once again, he NEVER attacks the towns! The Burning Legion is the one that tries to kill the Horde and Alliance towns here. Illidan and his forces pretty much just sit and try to prepare their homes for an invasion. Sure the Fel Orcs have a town here and there, and the Blood Elves have a town, but they really don't do anything besides just sit there. We are the people who go and kill them, we are the ones who accept the tasks of slaughtering them and destroying their villages. Even the daily quest where you can have the Fel Orcs attack either the Aldor or the Scryers, that attack order is given by you. Illidan doesn't order the troops to attack, we do. And you then turn around and kill them each day.

All Illidan has done is get freed from jail that he was locked in for a crime that wasn't even bad. I mean, he has sence enough to prepare the world for another Burning Legion invasion, and he gets thrown in jail for it. What a nice Justice System... He then helps kill the demons, gets banished for it. He then gets hunted down like an animal by the stupid Warden. He tries to keep escaping, and tries to kill the leader of the Undead at the same time. Talk about multi-tasking. Everyone still hates him after this, so he runs away to try to survive and arrives in Outland. He then gets arrested again, sprung again, and helps Akama and the Draenie take down one of their biggest enemies, the Pit Lord Magtheridon.

He hasn't done anything bad to us, in fact, he has helped us many a time. And yet we still hunt him down and try to kill him. Sounds like we are the betrayers.

Once the new xpansion comes out the most important thing is to try to race everyone to lvl 80 so u can get in the most end-gamey guild on your server and they can say OMGWTF at your gear cause u actually have a blue that dropped of of the spider guys outside of azjol-nerub for the daily "kill more spider guys". GG

yes

I totally aggree with your statement about the "lazy lore" as I like to call it, introduced in BC.

I DO enjoy playing BC and instances like Karazhan who are truely FUN to play. But yes, as per the lore, there could have much more detailed work been done by Blizzard, who's employees are usually quite creative concerning story lines.

Since we all know that Illidan does actually die and with Patch 2.4 Kil'Jaeden will be a killable boss, I once again have to throw in a couple of ideas since actually KILLING the leader of a demon army (Burning Legion) and sort of peronification of evil does not make sense to me.

Why not creating Bosses that are not actually killed, but somewhat escape when realizing that their failure is imminent. This has been used with almost all super villains in any sort of continuing series:
James Bond never caught Blofeld, Spider Man keeps chasing the various descendents/relatives of the Green Goblin, Super Man never kills Lex Luthor, Batman never kills the Joker (ok... let's see what happens in the next Film ;-)... this is a never ending list. The main villain escaping and still being an all-overshadowing threat is a simple dramatic scheme applied to ALL successfull fiction series. Why are you (Blizzard) not continuing to apply this in WoW? It would simply make the game more believable. OK... till now, Arthas is the that sort of Villain, but he is killable now? Does this mean you want to end the series?

OK... let's say Arthas will sort of escape and continue to be the main enemy: By just having one super Villain (Arthas in this case) the Job is not done. WoW is way too complex to simply have one of this kind. Kil'Jaeden should be the same, Illidan also should have been... maybe it would even have been interesting that low level Bosses like the King from BRD to re-appear (that was an interesting story line) maybe Hakkar being summoned/ressurrected once more or even VanCleef with a stronger, new Defias Gang regrouping etc.

People would have fun when at high level facing a Boss from long time ago who escaped that time and is ready to have his revenge.

It would even have been great if Illidan was not killed, but sort of escapes outland or maybe even in a dramatic scene after the fight, kills Maiev, making it sort of a "to be continued..." story and causing other interesting plot possibilities by killing her (new Expansion: Wrath of the Night Elves :-P ). Imagine how great it would be if he would re-appear in Northrend in WotLK or even show up for another fight with arthas? Also then, Blizzard would not need to create weird and never heard of Bosses/Evils that contradict the basic lore. They could stick to the ever so loved Villans, having them as a sort of constant threat that has to be fought back.

The Ahn'Qiraj thing was an interesting change and this was a newly introduced but believable threat which also justifies a sort of final kill of C'Thun just as Zul'Gurub and Hakkar... Qiraj/ZG threat removed - Let's move back to the actual enemies: Arthas/Scourge/Illidan/Burning Legion etc.

Yes... Prince Malchezaar(or whatever)... who the hell is he?
Why not e.g. (whooooaaaa... major Plot following) the King of Stormwind (that Storyline was never continued) who looked for refuge when trying to flee from the Defias who captured him and then became corrupted and possessed by a remaining echo of sargeras that was still present and bound to the Tower? The goal then would be to sort of redeem him from the curse by either being forced to kill him or having him, when almost dead, be releast from sargeras' echo? Also, there are then endless possibilities of what happens after the King is released.

It really would be a shame if in WotLK Arthas is actually killed. He should also sort of escape (to another realm? Emerald Dream?) after the Battle, making a following expansion sort of a pursuit of Arthas/Lich King.

Same thing should have been done with Kel'Thuzad as now it seems ridiculous that Naxx is made a new Lvl 80 raid with him again as a Boss... He should have maybe escaped to Nothrend and therefore have been ready for the WotLK expansion.

Well, I sort or bombed the community now with ideas. Some may like them, some may not, but I believe we all aggree on the "Villain escaping" theory.

I totally agree. He isn't ever really killed. He just goes back to GM Island and visits the Warglaive vendor.

This pic is full of win!

actually, the reason we're killing Illidan is cause we're jealous of his shiny green swords :D

Yes, Illidan Stormrage is indeed a hunter weapon! I hear he shoots warlocks instead of arrows if used as a bow!