Re: ya by mtdb:bh, Score -178.9
Why in the world would speed matter? Any tank that gets this isn't going to rely on the rifle to build aggro...
If dps doesn't wait for the mob(s) to start hitting/be hit by the tank, a gun isn't gonna make ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL!
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"Increases dodge rating by 20"
Instead of the tank pulling why not just use "Misdirection" on the tank and let the hunters pull?
Any Guild that can get far enuff to ever see this beauty drop will have a pretty good idea of wich person (not neccisarily CLASS) should get it... its all about coordination, and to get that far you would KNOW wich guildie would use all the qualities of the gun to full effect =P
But weapon speed has no impact on how fast you can get of your first shot. *Every* Bow, Gun and Crossbow in the game has a 1.5 seconds cast time, at least for warriors. Weapon speed then mandates how long it will take to get your next shot.
A Thrown weapon, on the other hand, has a cast time of 0.5 seconds, making it very pleasant to use for pulling.
guys please if your in a guild who got this far for it to drop you must know that guild progrression is paramount.. im a lvl 70 hunter is a very good guild and i would all day pass this to a warrior !!!!! if i needed it it will only be for pvp and not pve.. the warrior needs more stam ... i wouldnt pass to a rogues though
Dodge for PvP, that's like sticking a note with 'OVERPOWER PLEASE' onto your back.
If some of the comments after my post from yesterday are from hunters, you define the term "huntard".
-This weapon for a hunter for pvp? Look at the DAMAGE RANGE not the dps. PvP is about BURST DAMAGE. Melmorta's Twilight Longbow puts out more top end burst damage than this ffs. Oh because it has a big plus to stamina it's pvp? NO. Get something with a big damage range, a + to crit rating and + to AP. PVP armor is designed with higher stamina and less AP and agility than pve gear. It isn't crucial that your wpn have stamina too unless you're under geared.
-Too fast for BM hunters with serpent swiftness, YES. Think of your autoshot like an unseen cast bar (you can get an addon btw). Now if you're a BM hunter with max in SS and have the consortium ammo pouch your wpn speed with this gun is 1.0. If you are any kind of hunter at all you try to work a shot in between your autoshot. By doing this you increase your DPS Well, 90% of the time for your rotation you're going to be using steady shot which has a 1.5 sec cast. Obviously you can't have a gun with 1.0 speed and cast steady shot with a 1.5 speed without one overriding the other. Since your steady shot will override your autoshot, your autoshot cast resets again without firing. This is called clipping your autoshot. YOU'VE JUST GIMPED YOUR DPS. Even a survivial or MM spec'd hunter worth his salt isn't going to take this weapon. MM's generally like to work 2 shots in between and Survivial is probably looking for all things with agility to give is raid better EW.
So for those of you so quick to flame, soak that in before you tell someone else to l2p 'cause I'm guessing you rarely see the inside of a 5-man much less a raid instance.
EDIT: I took out some of my snide comments after a CD period. My fellow hunters 95% of the ranged wpns out there are made for us. This is not one of them.
Warrior/Rogue weapon period.
Fin, thanks very much for spelling it out. I'm leveling a BM hunter at the moment and very few posts explain exactly why a fast weapon becomes inefficient.
Having said that, I don't think that it was particularly obvious until you spelled it out.
Damn, I hope I don't sound so arrogant when I'm giving people the benefit of my years of experience playing a rogue.
Anyhoo, sincere thanks for explanation and good luck with the whole personality thing.
If I was a woman, I would want to have your children.
There is one, and only one, reason why a hunter should ever roll on this item. Caster interrupt in battlegrounds. It's a strategy that isn't used very much because it drops DPS dramatically. But, theoretically anyway, The UBER fast shot speed and a BM\MM spec might be able to put out so many arrows that spells can be massively delayed. In practice though, caster talents that reduce dmg interrupts make this pretty much null and void. Any BM hunter at this point should be sticking to the Wolfslayer Rifle or Barrel Bladed Longrifle.
So, in a roundabout way, hunters should never have this item.
Agree agree agree agree agree.
Yeah hunters, this is not for us. At all. I would pass on this any day of the week.(And twice on Thursdays)
Warrior weapon, and a hunter that is in a guild that downs teron will never EVER bid on this piece of shit. l2p (ashamed of playing the same class as some retards in here)
every axe & polearm not for just warriors. every gun & bow not for just hunters.
i've uploaded screenshot btw. chk it out.
Yes, higest dps is not always best. Stats and speed play a big roll, which is why a 41/20 bm spec'd hunter will lose dps taking the sunfury bow from prince in kara over the wolfslayers sniper rifle. Speed. Too fast you can't get good cycles, too slow your wasting time. I would never roll on this piece, unless every warrior and rogue already had it, and it was just becuase I had space in my bank to show it off. It's crap. No stats at all to benefit a hunter.
Be happy they made a gun for tanks and rogues. Now you don't have to worry about them going for the real ranged weapons.
Dealing HIGH dps on a hunter is more complicated than most of people here think, thats why most of people dont see hunters high on the damagemeters. i dont care what other people say, its the ONLY fast weapon in END GAME. If you dont have a good reason to take this weapon over a warrior you should not be allowed to get it, if you suck with 3.0 weapons you will suck with this too.
yah , a gun with good agility or attack power would give a hunter more dps than this
a warrior relyin on the gun for initial aggro should consider takin a brain-pill, since the only function of the gun should be pullin folks towards warrior.
The amount of damage done barely has any influence, cuz if ye check yer threatmeter during a fight, the aggro obtained by the tank is huge compared to the initial shot.
Tanks don't need an epic blaster for damage, they need a blaster with epic tankin stats, which is exactly what this shooter holds
This is a tank weapon, by far. There are other ranged weapons out there that are FAAR better for Hunters.
And, btw, I'm a Hunter.
BM hunter weapon? Illidan's (dont say omg illidan i need to kill all other boss before) is a purelly most beneficial to BM hunter rather than MM or SV. Its procc is a very nice (if i didnt made wrong calculations) 64mp5 at best case which is a very nice for a raiding hunter. Also there are many others, Legionkiller, Serpent Spine Longbow, Black Bow of the Betrayer and Bristleblitz Striker which have the wonderfull 3.0 spd. Also u can achieve a weapon speed u want, by using passive haste items, like rings, shoulders, gloves etc. On the other hand maybe ull find some other fights more easy a Survival hunter, or even as Marksmanship due to not pet friendly(u can learn how to control ur pet anyway),while now the Haste rating items are here to balance the speed and together the screwed rotation and to give mm the chance to "breath" again as raid specc for its old "lovers".
lol its almost like a miniature wolfslayer XD
Uh........STOIC GUARDIAN<<<<sounds to me like tank warrior
Definitely not a hunter weapon. Gread DPS but stats would only be good for a PVP hunter and i seriously doubt that a PVP hunter is gonna be doing Black Temple.
okay... you do know this is a gun, not a bow, right?
i think that this gun would be perfect for any beast matery hunters out there. with the fast 1.9 speed hunters would own by spamming steady shot. looking forward to getting a gun like this but dont look forward to going into black tmeple for it
I know! :D I love clipping auto-shots, it's like a hobby!
I don't know why people argue with anyone on this site. Any Hunter in a Raiding guild would never use this because of its speed. No matter how pretty the item is you would never waste the DKP for a downgrade in DPS.
People saying its nice for PvP forgets where this drops at, somewhere no one in Gladiator gear is going to be.
Ok to give some people who have no clue about Raiding efficiency This Item could be nice for a Marks or Survival hunter. 1.9 speed X .85 = 1.62 Base speed with Quiver for your autoshot. Steady shot has nothing to do Weapon dammage,Arrows, and scope dmg unless you use a crit scope. So from here you say how does one get the shot rotation to maximum Efficiency. You Get 7% In Haste Items which for Raiders is not difficult to get and that brings Autoshot down to 1.51....So from here you L2 Maketh Das Macro and your steady auto can basically fire at 2 shots per 1.5 seconds.....If you are really good you can mix an arcane shot being that it is an auto shot and per every 6 seconds get an extra shot in.....BTW when I am raid buffed my Base crit is 45% with my 4 piece of t5 having my steady shot at 50% with an occasional +10% crit bonus for Master tactician.....My crits never hit Below 2200 with Sunfury Bow while raid buffed.
Some people will try and argue that they can get an auto, arcane, multi shot, auto rotation and they certainly can but Multi shot is on a 12 second cool down and both shots cost tremendously more mana....
Not a hunter weapon. It's not like you're at lvl 48 with Hurricane OMGWTFBBQ so fast speed. With the introduction of Steady Shot in TBC. Using this gun, which is way too fast, have fun clipping Auto Shot and your DPS goes down the drain.
A hunter has stepped into BT would not want this weapon. Period. If he roll for it, he should be /gkick for being a retard.
have anyone try this in hybric 7/20/34 or a mm 20/41/0 ???
this is something i want to try
Cleverly made too fast for even a BM hunter to make use of, nice way to end need arguments blizzard
Folks, take away the dodge bonus, stand back and look again.
BM in arena with this gun and the first apponent is dun, i dont care who you are. then its all about dps n interupts. Hello! As for the Bonus. if i want to get 2 or 3 more shots n stings in, then i wanna dodge one time. Ding! For those with questions about yur toon. experiment! we could all listen to the most popular guy on how to play a hunter, but then we'ld be a room full of guys dressed the same. Be Bold!
Twink YOUR tune!! Have a nice day!!!
As a survival/mm hunter in PvP mode. This gun is absolute pwnage for the dodge rating alone.
As for too high speed? You can't be serious unless your talking Raid only. If that's the case, you might be correct, otherwise you don't know PvP too well.
Because if I see you using steady shot on me in PvP BG/Arena, I'm gonna laugh as I interrupt your aimed shots and steady shots with fast auto shots. ;)
I always get a laugh seeing someone using steady shots against other hunters in PvP. Fast speed also gets that Death Blow over some kill stealer hoping to take your glory by waiting for that one ganking final blow. lol! ;)
Survival == Dodge. Interrupts == high speed.
This gun actually can serve different purposes. It is not strictly "a tank weapon" or "a hunter weapon".
The stats make it give very nice tanking bonuses, which is great! Certainly for raids a tank that can use/need this certainly should get priority.
However, as someone previously mentioned, it does indeed have pvp use for hunters. For those that have ever been struck in some way while casting steady shot, I'm sure you recognize the problems with such an action in pvp, unless you stack ridiculous haste, or you get an opportunity where you can sit free to finish casting the shot. Of course, any hunter interested in pvp should get the survival skill that boosts your range by 6 meters, which can very much help in casting a steady uninterrupted.
The point is that if a tank truly needs this, then they should get priority. Even if the hunter uses a poor/moderate blue weapon (which they probably won't if they're in the raid group that can take out the boss that drops this!), the shot rotations will work out for better dps anyway. This can certainly be useful as a pvp hunter weapon, but it is absolutely NOT necessary to pvp well as a hunter, and is definitely a tanking weapon first and foremost.
I'm a level 70 hunter, and I would let any tank desiring this roll ahead of me.
It would help with gettig Crit's to proc Expose Weakness, boosting the entire raids damage,
~Kneazal
Perhaps, but why gimp your dps by a huge factor? You can shoot almost as fast, because of shot rotations with steady shot, and get the same crit rates. In fact, you should definitely not take this as a SV hunter for it, because your crit rate is already skyrocketed so that every 3.00 weapon will crit just about every other hit for you, which means that EW up-time is nearly constant. Gimping your dps by 1/3 does not justify a marginal or inconsequential uptime of EW.
[quote]...i also [want to] see how this baby shines in the hand of a good hunter. :)[/quote]
This would never occur. No "good" hunter would ever think of equipping this item.
Came back here after a year to see the ensuing debates on this gun... Pity some hunters still think it's for them or quasi-viable in pvp. All the caster interrupt arguments, lol, try using your pet. It'll have the same effect.
I suppose you could buy a BT run from one of the more progressed guilds on your server if you're hell bent on getting this for pvp though, heck, maybe you'll even be able to pick up the brutalizer along the way.
...Just be prepared for the remarks that appear on your realm forums afterwards though.
You've got to be kidding me.
As a hunter, I wouldn't touch this gun with a 10 foot pole.
Don't even say you'd use this for PvP. If your guild does BT, PvP obviously isn't your guild's focus. And if PvP IS your focus, you should know that all this Dodge isn't going to protect you from melee classes killing you from behind while you're stunned.
If you farm BT SOOOOO MUCH that every gun wielding class in your Guild has this gun already, then by all means, take it and play around with it.
But by then, you should already know this isn't meant for you.
Why is the model a dreanei?
Lol@any hunter with this.... i would rather use the karazhan bow...
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