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    Score 12     Vote: [-] [+] by fin1033, 1.1 years ago
    Last edit: 1.0 year ago
    If some of the comments after my post from yesterday are from hunters, you define the term "huntard".

    -This weapon for a hunter for pvp?  Look at the DAMAGE RANGE not the dps.  PvP is about BURST DAMAGE.  Melmorta's Twilight Longbow puts out more top end burst damage than this ffs.  Oh because it has a big plus to stamina it's pvp?  NO.  Get something with a big damage range, a + to crit rating and + to AP.  PVP armor is designed with higher stamina and less AP and agility than pve gear.  It isn't crucial that your wpn have stamina too unless you're under geared.

    -Too fast for BM hunters with serpent swiftness, YES. Think of your autoshot like an unseen cast bar (you can get an addon btw).  Now if you're a BM hunter with max in SS and have the consortium ammo pouch your wpn speed with this gun is 1.0.  If you are any kind of hunter at all you try to work a shot in between your autoshot.  By doing this you increase your DPS  Well, 90% of the time for your rotation you're going to be using steady shot which has a 1.5 sec cast.  Obviously you can't have a gun with 1.0 speed and cast steady shot with a 1.5 speed without one overriding the other.  Since your steady shot will override your autoshot, your autoshot cast resets again without firing.  This is called clipping your autoshot.  YOU'VE JUST GIMPED YOUR DPS.  Even a survivial or MM spec'd hunter worth his salt isn't going to take this weapon.  MM's generally like to work 2 shots in between and Survivial is probably looking for all things with agility to give is raid better EW.

    So for those of you so quick to flame, soak that in before you tell someone else to l2p 'cause I'm guessing you rarely see the inside of a 5-man much less a raid instance. 

    EDIT: I took out some of my snide comments after a CD period.  My fellow hunters 95% of the ranged wpns out there are made for us.  This is not one of them.

    Warrior/Rogue weapon period.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 3.7     Vote: [-] [+] by DJenerativ, 1.1 years ago
      Last edit: 1.1 years ago
      Fin, thanks very much for spelling it out. I'm leveling a BM hunter at the moment and very few posts explain exactly why a fast weapon becomes inefficient.
      Having said that, I don't think that it was particularly obvious until you spelled it out.
      Damn, I hope I don't sound so arrogant when I'm giving people the benefit of my years of experience playing a rogue.

      Anyhoo, sincere thanks for explanation and good luck with the whole personality thing.


      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
        Score 7.5     Vote: [-] [+] by Hamzah, 1.1 years ago
        If I was a woman, I would want to have your children.
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          Score 0.83     Vote: [-] [+] by Flanning, 1.9 months ago
          There is one, and only one, reason why a hunter should ever roll on this item. Caster interrupt in battlegrounds. It's a strategy that isn't used very much because it drops DPS dramatically. But, theoretically anyway, The UBER fast shot speed and a BM\MM spec might be able to put out so many arrows that spells can be massively delayed. In practice though, caster talents that reduce dmg interrupts make this pretty much null and void. Any BM hunter at this point should be sticking to the Wolfslayer Rifle or Barrel Bladed Longrifle.

          So, in a roundabout way, hunters should never have this item.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
        Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by fin1033, 1.0 year ago
        Last edit: 1.0 year ago
        DJ,

        My post from the other day was not meant with arrogance in the slightest.  It was in responseto a select few for a rash of shizznit I received from other posts.

        Hugebeasta,
        Yep, my bad on the warrior shot cast.
        •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
          Score -1.7     Vote: [-] [+] by DJenerativ, 1.0 year ago
          Last edit: 1.0 year ago
          Fin,
          Yeah, you're right man, who amongst us hasn't snapped and flamed rtards? Sorry for busting your chops.
          Keep fighting the good fight and educating us hunter noobs.
          Hamzah,
          There is a mod available from Curse that allows males to carry my seed to term.
          Eeeeeeew!




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      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
        Score 0.44     Vote: [-] [+] by Hamzah, 10.5 months ago
        Last edit: 10.5 months ago
        Honestly, his tone was rediculously restrained.  If you can't figure out what he was saying on your own by level 70, then you must be picking points in you spec by eenie-meenie-minie-moe.
        There are too many hunters out there who think they are good and can't put out the dps of a holy priest, and they really need to take the 5-10 minutes it takes to actually pay attention to their build, spec and stats, and gain a modicum of understanding on how those things relate.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by madeinchina11, 1.0 year ago
      High five.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score -0.52     Vote: [-] [+] by Clyro, 1.0 year ago
      Agreed.

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    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 0.49     Vote: [-] [+] by alolz, 1.0 year ago
      Last edit: 1.0 year ago
      Just a quick note, + range attack speed items and spells etc. work on Steady Shot too.

      So you are actually wrong on when you said with a quiver and BM spec "...steady shot would still be 1.5 sec cast...", it will be quicker than that

      I agree on everything else you said though
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
        Score 0.51     Vote: [-] [+] by dummyc4, 10.1 months ago
        NO... Ok steady shot scales with your tooltip dps, nothing about speed if you have a ranged weapon faster or slower than 1.5 seconds it wouldnt affect steady shot, thought it would affect auto shot, which if your smart you can weave steady shot in between auto shot, now it is easier with a faster bow, but you lose damage so there is a balance between the two, around 2.5-3.0 speed is ideal to maximize damage.  Some might be staying "WTH it is a 1.5 timer you could just use a bow iwth 1.5 speed and pwn. NO! WoW has lag and so do you, and there is a .5 second wait after a shot. meaning with a bow of 1.5 seconds you would fire a shot, then you would have to wait .5 seconds for the auto shot, so with lag, quiver speed, .5- 1 second leway to start a shot improves dps.  This is why pvp bows over 3.00 speed arent ideal.  3.00 speed your giong to have a tough time still to do it.  I find that 2.7 is perfect and i will never miss a shot
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 1.2     Vote: [-] [+] by Nayrue, 11.6 months ago
      Agree agree agree agree agree.

      Yeah hunters, this is not for us. At all. I would pass on this any day of the week.(And twice on Thursdays)
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Charis_Azjol-Nerub, 11.3 months ago
      I still like my old Grand Marshal's Bullseye for PvP. I run around a lot and sometimes the fast attack speed is just great. I find myself playing well against casters with such a nice speed - due to the interruptions.

      I frequently win hunter vs hunter duels just because of the fast attack speed. And Steady Shot just isn't a smart thing to do very often in PvP. I don't know how many times I've been up against another hunter, seeing him attempting to do Steady Shots, but not getting a single shot off because of my attack speed. And then they figure they need to fd or do something else, quite often too late.

      I'll stop right there, this was just a quick example..

      But I'd like to say this;
      To anyone who hasn't really played a hunter, please hold your horses before claiming something you don't know anything about. I can guarantee you that many hunters out there will make a good use of this.

      Although I agree it's good for Warriors.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score -0.64     Vote: [-] [+] by ravencrows, 10.1 months ago
      Last edit: 10.0 months ago
      "Now if you're a BM hunter with max in SS and have the consortium ammo pouch your wpn speed with this gun is 1.0"

      You failed there for BM hunter the attack speed is 1.37

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    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Rifle of the Stoic Guardian
      Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Spod14, 8.1 months ago
      take
      a
      chill
      pill
      dude its only a game
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