I wonder if it is usefull to have alchemy as a profession. The price of the needed mats is much higher than the price of the products you make with alchemy. (At least at my server.)
For example, 20x Super Healing Potion costs around 55G, but 40x Netherbloom + 20x Felweed sells for around 90G.
Same for other potions/elixirs/transmutes. So even with a high proc rate, you only lose money.
So I guess alchemy is a useless profession. Or do i forget something??
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If you have herbalism and alchemy it is not a waste of money. You gather all your mats and sell the surplus. Besides I don't just sell potions etc. I also use them and share them with my friends. It's not all about money.
Agree, it's not all about money. But on the other hand, why waste it unnecessary...
I've the combination of herbs and alchemy myself. But if I sell the herbs that i've gathered and then BUY potions, I can get twice as much potions a I would have had if I MADE potions from the herbs...
The reason why the pots are less is because you get experience for making the potions, so if they're already made, then you get no xp, therefore, they cost less than the materials required. Paying for the herbs isnt just paying for the herbs. Its paying for the experience they'll give you when you make something with them. Thats why herbs cost more.
Pots tend to be a LOT cheaper on the AH than elixirs, at least on my server. I would agree that the raw mats sell for more than health and mana potions. On the other hand, again on my server, high-level elixirs sell for an order of magnitude higher than the raw materials.
And for some reason, while I am a shammy and so never use any weapon buffs but Windfury, the frost oil and shadow oil sell really well and for a LOT of money... I recommend those recipes if you can find them.
Just some pointers if you're tired of losing money selling pots.
disagree, it is all about money, and this is not a waste of money if you take herbing...the reason i say its all about the money is because so much of the game (if not all of it) depends on the buying and selling of goods/services.
Herbalism is not alchemy however. Herbalism is definitely worth it, as is any other collecting profession. If you just want to straight up make cash then select professions where you collect rather than make things. Overall you will end up with more money.
It depends on what you do.
* If you buy all the herbs, and make pots just to sell, you'll probably end up spending alot more money on the herbs then you'll end up getting from the flask, elixir or potion.
* If you farm some of the herbs, and only buy a few, then all of the sudden, hey, I can make 20x of this potion, and I can sell them for this much, when I only spent this much.
Get the picture?
Or you could just farm it all and go plus, it's up to you.
/Hurze
A great way to make money is pots you would use YOURSELF in a low lvled BG or the Free action potion they sell for alot at a low lvl....Also:Elixr of Giant growth, Rage potion, And swiftness potion are good sellers
sorry, but u are all wrong!! I am making ALOT of money thru alch. I AM buying the odd stack, but, i just dont pass a single herb and sell a large variation of potions. i have 3 discoveries, and they sell VERY WELL. if u get as many recipies as u can, put in the effort and sell to as many as u can.........u r sorted. ok its not wat it use to be, and there are alot of alch oholics BUT. Use ure brains, be wise with the matts and money, collect every herb u can, yes, sell surplus, but the best tip i have is.....EVERY1 wants something, and the more and higher lvl u can make, the more u sell. SIMPLE!!!!!!! use your brains!! alch RULES!!!!! average gold per week 350g EASY MONEY!!!!!!! :D
350g a week.....my guildy was making 600g a day from mining when he was saving for his 3rd epic flying mount.
the math is simple - if the herbs sell for more than the pots sell the herbs.
my alt is 300 alch (and 300 lw) at level 35 to xmute and sell arcanite. but my 70 alt is a gatherer (miner/disenchanter) because gathering is where the money is.
Not on my server. I see it mentioned that x20 felweed go for 90g on another server? That's just outrageous! On my server its one of the cheapest high level herbs. Nightmare vine, dreaming glory, netherbloom, even mana thistle all sell at reasonable prices. Reasonable enough that if I don't feel like farming I can still make money out of pots and elixirs. If I do farm, doing daily quests and gathering herbs whilst at it, then I make a lot of money off my alchemy. Only thing I've found to be really expensive is fell lotus, which of course you only get with luck. Sometimes a herb in high demand with few stacks will become expensive but I usually only have to wait a day or three before the prices come down again. My usual playing partner is a miner and a blacksmith and I make far more gold than he does with herbs and alchemy. Dunno, suppose it depends on the server you're on as well...
Oh, and flasks sell for the most of course! :) The trick really is in farming your herbs, not buying them. And as another poster said, if the herb stacks sell for more than the pots, sell the herbs...
I'm making good mo out of alch&herb . The flasks are selling good and so are the elixirs,not spending a dime to buy herbs.
Alchemy is a great proffession provided you have herbalism. I wouldn't recommend getting any proffession without the prerequisite gathering proffession to be honest. But, alchemy is great for making all the mana/health/+spelldmg potions you could ever wish for so for any casting class it is almost a must if you're not going to go for tailoring and enchanting which seems to be the main choice.
For anyone wanting to get to instances then it may also come in handy as buying healing potions can work out expensive. Plus with herbalism then you will also have the added income of selling any unwanted herbs for silly prices that you mentioned.
I could not imagine what a pain in the arse this must be to level once you've hit 70, but it is the one proffession that you can realistically make potions used by your level range easily. All other proffs only allow you to make lower level items than you are currently at and therefore don't need, which would be fine if they sold for any decent amount on AH but very few do.
i'm a alch i i noticed no one touched the transmutes side of alchemy i mastered in mutes and make anywhere from 100-900g a day jsut farmin the mats for a primal might and makin it i'm already well into buying my and flying mount and thats also donating to the guild repairs and all that fun stuff so every one who says alchemy is a waste of money is saddly mistaken u just have to be smart enough to know how to make it
my best combo is for money is sell herbs and go mute and hope ur lucky and get 9 from one
yeah, alchemy becomes the wealthiest i think, cuz they use a lot of transmutations that chanters usually buy, and other classes too...you can easily sell an arcanite bar for 20g too, so just imagine the primals
Well I think the arcanite bar price is server specific as you would not get that where I play tbh. It is nearer 15g tops. Maybe on occation more but not regularly
Alchemy, just like any other CRAFTING profession is NOT the way to make money. Yes, you can make a nice profit by selling pots, elixirs, transmutes... But the raw mat prices are well higher than the actual item created. Why is this true? When you are lvling any profession, ie. first aid, BS, LW, etc... have you ever bought the mats on the AH to lvl just a few more skill pts? I'm sure all of you have. Its pretty simple really, ppl want crafting professions to be somewhat "important" and self reliant. I for one dont like advertising "LF a Alchem to make flasks" or "LF Enchanter w/ 15 resil", etc. It is more of a luxury than anything. This means, with all these ppl out there trying to lvl their profession, you need SUPPLY. This is where all the patient GATHERERS come in and sell to the CRAFTERS(lazy). I've read a few times above ppl mentioning that mats sell for more than the pots/elixirs/flasks sell for. You know why this is true? Because ppl want to lvl their skill w/o the farming. The fact of the matter is, there's many different ways to "farm" money. You can have 2 gathering prof's, you can farm mobs/drops/rep, you can do dailies, etc. Its just the way YOU want to do it, prefer, or CAN do.
Now back to alchemy... How is this NOT wasting money and a profession. First off, i know some of you are stingy and prolly dont like to buy pots/elixirs from the AH. Hell, on my rogue... i pick pocket almost all my health pots. But sure, when ur in the lvling stage, its not as important. Once you get to ur lvl cap (70, w/e twink lvl, etc) you begin to notice that these things help tremendously. For example... your guild finally starts kara, ZA, gruuls, Mag, SSC, TK, etc... I dunno about you but if its important to you to have progression in ur guild, you want w/e that will help get the raid/guild thru and down w/e boss. This means that I personally want EVERYONE to be fully buffed... ready to take on w/e. This means Elixirs/flasks n all. Have you looked on the AH for elixir/flask prices? Sure they all vary from server to server... but for the most part, the USEFUL ones are generally about the same prices if you sell the mats. Why? because of the demand.
So yea, i agree that yes... farmed mats for whatever profession could bring you more money. But at that cost, you will have to spend time in looking for someone to do w/e is that you need. Personally, I like to create everything myself. I have every profession up to 375, except BS. This way, I can make any of my alts w/e they need w/o having to spend time on the AH or in the trade chat (cept enchanting BoP's ofc). The time portion makes up for that difference in $$ for me any day.
EDIT: So yea, you want to make money and save up for ur flyer or ur epic? Yes the easiest way to farm w/o gear is to have 2 gathering. You can have both mining n herb, but generally its tougher since you can only locate 1 type on the mini map. If you are geared or can dps w/o the gear... dailies are a good way to make very good money AND get you rep whle ur at it. Sure it gets boring, but doesnt pickin herb and/or mining? I get bored after 30 mins =/
you mean i can actually make money from alch?Cause i dont have much money.Im trying to sell some pots,elixirs,oils and other but no one /w me.Just say how can i make money with alch?(at skill 265-290)what should i sell?Which pots,elixirs and other sell best??
on my server if you know which pot/elixer is in high demand from players, you can make good money. Like I made 2 stacks of the higher level elixer of agility and two of my hunter friends bought them for 10g each (wasnt sure on the prices on the server on the elixers)so its basically on what you sell but you'll be surprise when someone wants a potion/elixer that you didn't think would sell well. :P Gathering your own herbs is cheaper than buying the herbs from AH. >.> but to me, leveling herb and alchemy is one of the easy proffesions to level up on and i love it. :)
As a low level alchemist, On the AH I make money off:
Elixir of Defense
Strong Troll's blood potion
Elixir of Water breathing
Elixir of Lion's strength (stack of 5)
The top two sell like nuts, put them on the AH as single potions for best results. I sell about 30 per week of each at 90 silver to 1 g apiece.
The waterbreathing pots go slower, but sell for the same.
The lion's strength ones usually sell for 35-45 silver buyout for a stack of 5, pretty damn good for a recipe that requires only earthroot and silverleaf IMO.
OMG!! all of use talk about how much the "Primary" resources are to do alchemy, BUT! none of use realise that Herbalism and Alchemy go hand in hand with eachother. Also you can make money by Alch, as a rogue i aint highly placed in a group/raid spot i make some pots and other stuff for the raid group and im right in there, also i get items from the dungeon or raid and even more cash. if sum people feel greatful for wat i have done.
dont talk all of this rubbish you can on any server make money, it is like the real world, everything is on a cycle E.G The running of money in the alch business is on its low right now but later on say in a month maybe two this will change back to normal with higher charging even for the "Primary" resources.
the less alchs there is the more demand there is making the prices rocket up, but also vice verca. I personally think there is still alot of "Treasures" to be found in this business
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