SO I want to roll an alt, I dunno wether to choose a druid and specc him  to feral, get some agility equip and focus on using cat form OR just roll a rogue.

So the question here is... Is it worth it to roll a feral druid if only thing you are intrested in is cat form and maybe the fact that you have few buffs and can heal between fights? I mean druid is known for his incredible versatility but I dont give a damn about that really.... I dont care about tanking ( I hate tanks and tanking) I dont care about spell casting (already have a 70 mage) dunno wanna be a healer (I dont find it fun ) I wanna be a good meele DPS that's it

I mean Rogues are cool, but they have like two many reagents and stuff to keep em going and I honestly like the idea of being able to turn into a cat :p

So what do you think

Cat form + buffs + heals = good stuff!

I have a level 70 feral druid who I've played feral since my first talent point.  Ever since level 20 (when you get cat form) I'd say I spend 90% of my time in cat form, normally only shifting out to buff and heal.  When soloing I occasionally go bear if I'm facing a real tough mob or I get multiple mobs hitting on me.  And, of course, I go bear to tank an instance.

Druids are very gear dependent, so if you are only interested in playing in cat form that makes assembling your equipment an easy task. 

This is a pretty interesting question for 2 reasons.  #1 the answer is very satisfying if you allow it to be--and #2, 99% of people that play a druid don't know what they're doing.

Cat form, if you are instance DPS, is pretty much the form of choice, correct.  However, you will have a hard time finding an instance group as DPS as a druid, because DPS is everywhere and tanks are in short supply.  Druid tanks are aggro masters, and combined with the low druid population in general, means that druid tanks are really sought after.  With this said... there is so much more than this.

The best part of a feral druid is PvP.  Speccing into furor and natural shapeshifter ensure that you can shift much more often and more efficiently than normal.  You should always shift to suit the occasion.  Fighting a warrior, need to stun and heal, need to close the gap between that lock that just feared you?  Bear form.  You need to get some high crits and do enough damage to kill that clothie, need to escape?  Cat form.  And always shapeshift out of roots, frost nova, hamstring etc.  When you pop out, throw a heal or two.  Druids are so good in PvP its not even funny--but most just dont know how to use them.  Watch "The Fat Cow 2" on warcraftmovies.com

well if your just interested in playing cat thats fine but cat does not equal rogue. Infact many cat druids dont look for agility they look for strength because it adds 2 att pwr as apposed to 1 AND your talents further increase your strength in cat form. best gear for cat is +str +crit and +sta.  If u arent interested in bear your going to suck at pvp and pve. Bear=pwn elites i have lvld a 70 rogue and druid and my bear druid has killed elites that my rogue wouldnt even consider...like that nasty netherspike in netherstorm yup soloed him in bear. the trick is to know when to shift and heal and good luck getting into instances as only cat because ppl want cc with their dps only time youll be able to dps is if they already have a tank which is unlikely since dps=everywhere tank/healer = weee neeed uuu!!!

i have a feral druid! he was balance at first but when my mate told me to switch to feral... it was a good choice ..i didnt die as quick and bear form pwns lol. i killed 2 lvl 39s in BG a warrior and a druid resto and i was lvl 38 and i killed em both alone ;-) i killed the worrior in bear form and i finished the druid by cat form ...so do us a favor go feral!










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well dude, u said it, druids are probably the most versatile class in the game and going feral lets u also be the hi-def beast and thats very helpful. anyway i dont like rogues at all so plz go feral

Going feral JUST for cat form is NOT a waste of the tree.  IMO it is better than trying for bear and cat form.  I'll say this about going only cat form: I did.  I've been 70 for about a week.  I have epic bracers.  Every other piece of gear is blue or green.  And most is below 70 gear.  This "substandard gear" as most call it gives me 2004 attack power (not a typo, 2004 ap) and 37.95% crit chance.  Yes, 37.95%.  Kings bumps that to 40% and grace of air bumps to 44%.  Now imagine getting all that substandard gear replaced with EPICS!  I constantly outdamage fully epicced toons.  The only classes that really ever outdamage me are rogues locks and mages, but seldom does it happen.

This is my point.  Making a cat form druid is not only not a waste, it is one of the best things you can do IMO.  This is what i would suggest to do if you like to deal damage.  Now, a rogue can be a lot of fun too.  If ya love pvp, i'd roll a rogue over a cat druid.  I personally don't like my 16 rogue.  My rogue has died more to 16 than any other class i've played.  And i've played them all.  I personally think the kitty outdamages rogues and with the heals easily outlasts rogue in pve/ soloing. 

Just a side note, i've found of every class, imo a shadow priest is the best at soloing.  Laugh if you want, shadow priest rock.  At level 15 i was clearing out gnolls and murlocs with no problem, often taking 4 at a time.  Using shield properly with wanding and spells/heals, leveling my shadow priest has given me the least grief of any class :)

This is both for original poster and this poster.  If you want to be a cat form druid, first off, know that poster is correct.  Kitty does not equal rogue.  Kitty > rogue.  Second, this poster states that as a cat, you will suck in pve.  Not true.  As a cat, better geared rogues, locks and mages can't keep up with my damage.  So how do i suck?  Third, this poster states that many kitty druids look for strength, not agility.  Anyone who does that is an idiot.  As a cat, you look for strength AND agility.  These are the two most important base stats for a kitty.  Let me break it down (this is for a correctly built cat druid):

1 strength = 2.5 AP
1 agility = 1 AP + 2 armor + crit chance

With an attack speed of 1, you want high ap.  When you hit every single second, you want those hits to be hard. 

You want high crit.  Let's say you normally hit for 100.  With no crit, after 10 seconds you hit for 1k (minus moves).  Now if you crit for say 200, and a crit chance of 20% after 10 seconds you've hit for 1.2k.  30% crit...1.3k.  That's just the melee.  A crit is the difference between fb hitting for 1k and fb hitting for 5k.  High crit chance is a must. 

Precedence:
1. Agility
2. Strength
3. Stamina

Remember, as a cat you naturally have a high dodge chance.  I currently with no dodge bonuses dodge about 35-40% of incoming attacks.  No need to go stamina crazy. 

Wow guys. thx alot for the replies. whould have never thought the topic would have gotten so much attention. :D

Meanwhile I have leveled both classes feral druid and rogue...and an other class which I wasnt planning to lvl, a walrock.

Rogue is 39 now. I decided to keep him  at this level, twinked him up a bit, pvp rewards, some enchnats etc for some instant Bg fun when I m in the mood for it, very fun to pvp with a rogue. pve though... I must say I find pve very boring with rogue...that also contributed to making me take the decision to leave him as a pvp character.

On the other hand my feral druid is lvl 33 now.I like the shapeshifting alot bear form to get out of trouble, cat to kill quickly.... Just got my first decent finisher for cat form, one level ago (ferocious bite) and getting my first stunlock in 3 levels (pounce). I suck at pvp though since I am still low compared to all the twinked up lvl 39s outhere so i am waiting at least untill lvl 37 to judge this class (specc) in pvp.

Also leveled a warlock to lvl 37. pve is pretty much boring definitly too easy (reminds me of my lvl 45 hunter I abandoned like 2 monthes ago) Pvp is.... meh dunno maybe warlocks are too much of a "clicker" class... not really moving around  that much in a fight more about casting the right spell at the right time ( pretty easy to figure out since it basically goes like this Dot>Dot>Dot>fear>drainlife>repeat). I still see the potentail of this class to become fun once I learn how to play it proprely. Maybe one day if I find out how to kill a hunter in pvp wont be that frustrating lol...(fukin huntards!! grrr!)

Anyway thx for all the replies again. I have made the  decision after reading all what you said to make my feral druid  my new main, yes I already have a 70 mage... but he's not gonna be my main form now on. I ll try to hit 70 with my feral before exp 2 is out and make him  my new main.

cheers

Hehe, well Im a bit late and looks like youve already found out what I was going to say.

If you really make a druid from level 1-70 and never touch anything other then cat form then yes is is a waste and your better off making a rogue.

But reality is I dont think anyone can do that once they realise the diversity shapeshifting gives, if only when you reach level 68 and get free flight form. ;)

i suppose my post is a lil late as well but what ever. hybrid classes are lots of fun and druid is the ultimate hybrid class. i never really liked em much till i made one and even then when lvling i wasnt sure what i wanted to do....until i played more in my forms. i went feral cause i found myself staying in form ALL the time, maybe shifting out for a quick heal now and then. i am investing more towards bear and tanking but thats me, i love tanking (paly and war are my mains). i acctually didnt want another tank but the damage out put was good, aggro managment was good, defense was good, and the fact that i could heal my self made it far too tempting. the really great thing about hybrid classes is, no matter what path you go you can still do all those other things. get different sets of gear and you can heal just fine or dps good too. cause belive me...as a hybrid you WILL be asked to do other things that you may not be specd for. all in all id say if you want to go feral cat then do it. ima feral bear that doesnt mean i cant still heal and dps when i need to. do what you play best and what you have fun at....cause if there was one single calls for being melee/healer/tank ext....then this game would blow. my ret pal has healed and tanked plenty of instances. you dont need a truly defined role till you start raiding.

I agree with you mate, i HATE tanking and i HATE Healing, i don't mind healing now and then, but fulltime healing? hell no!

I love running around in cat form, ever since i got cat form, i have never used the bear form, except for the time in Blackfathoms Deep, where i was VERY rudely forced into a tanking role, despite the leader saying, i can dps with the rogue.

I have tried a rogue, but i just don't like it, the cat form is just WAY more fun, we may do less damage then a rogue, but cat form is FAR more fun and that is what a game is meant to be......FUN!!

If cat form is what you enjoy and love and find fun, stick with it, but its true that you will find it hard to get into groups for dps.

Which i guess i will just have to get used to and be prepared to solo and never go into instances.

It is a pity that players judge you on the class you pick and NEVER let to prove how good you are.

my brother has a good healer (im feral tank) and from time to time my guild may need a healer for a raid the only reason i hate healing is because i stare at the same persons hp lvl for like 4 hrs lol depending on the encounters difficulty at least wen tanking(i do OT sometimes) ur staring at a boss LOL

The reality of the situation is that while cat form feral druids can get some pretty high dps in the right gear, they will never be preferred in group over rogues due to lack of CC.  In short you will either have to re-spec as healer or re-gear and tank in Bear form if you want to do instances. 

I skimmed over the whole thread and i have to say there is no reson to say Feral Druids are Exclusivly for cat form.

I read once DPS is a dime a dozen, where are the tanks..where more than half go dps (or pallys holly), are always in damand. A feral tank does do well in instances if you got the gear and knowhow. and bearform has its tactical advanteges in BGs too

I went all out tanking, my stam went as high as 850 unbuffed and has broke 1k, my armor got to 18k, 24% dodge chance. definitly my guilds tank of choice or low level instance runner. can do all of SM withough a healing spell or food

now not tanking? yes i use cat and bearform to farm and such, changing only a few items really. to most suprize my dps isint notably low and i rearly needed to unshapeshift to heal; with a trinket that has chance on heal, feral rejuvination, idol that heals with finishing move, and the ever known Improved Leader of the Pack.

All to say I like my bear form

I play a huntr on jubeithos but got way to boring after DPSing for so long. My friend has lvled many toons to 70 so we though how bout a next. So we had some fun playing droods on skullcrusher we were grp friendly as he was resto i was FC. I was lvl 22 he was lvl 16 we decided lets try these talents out. So we went straight to VC only the two of us we managed to beat 3 bosses just the two of us with no wipes. This is because when we had a long boss fight and he was losing man he would go bear form snatch aggro an immediately start healing. LOL as i like to change classes i went and bought my epic and norm mount straight after so that i may aswel play it right thru. O well my point is feral is fun as and droods keep u occupied from going so many diff rolls.
Cyaz

i think a druid you have buffs, heals,awesome spells, and you cat/bear/travel forms!

Well, i have a Feral Druid, i have been focusing on my Horde Druid lately though, cause i have met a decent guild on the Horde Side that will be fine with me doing cat form dps, buffing and combat rezzing if required. (ie. rezzing tank/healer)

That is so much better then recieving messages like 'dude, reroll a rogue if you want to dps, druids are for tanking and healing. lol'

Anyway, my level 70 druid, is specced for pure cat form dps and i get 2k+ from FB quite oftenly and mangle can crit oftenly for like 1.2k-1.6k (depending on if anything gets absorbed by the armour and when i use Rip against elite bosses in instances when i do get into groups doing dps, with mangles +30% bleed effects, each tick of rip does like 500 additional damage.

Just so you know, i don't have any epics yet.

With the right talents, criticals add an additional combo point and you can get a full 5 combo points bfore the rip duration has expired, assuming you don't miss, or your moves don't get dodged or parried or you don't get stunned or feared....or killed. lol

I admit, rogues are better at the job of dps and they have some good Crowd control (ie. sap), but players just do not understand why people do feral druids just for cat form and its cause you can change into a cat, be immune to polymorph, disarm and slowdown effects (except daze i believe).

I mostly stacked Stamina and Agility, but with my Tauren Druid, i am gonna stack Strength, Agility and Stamina, that should give me more dps, maybe less crit, but more dps is more better cause you are gonna hit them more then crit on them.

So, if you want to do feral dps in groups, go right ahead, they are more then capable, but remember, you will not replace rogues and don't expect to, also, be prepared to buff and battle rez when needed. (ie. healer/tank)

Most Players that say its a waste doing cat form dps instead of a rogue is just one of those types that think if you roll a particular class you want to do a certain role. For Example:

If you role a Warrior, they expect you to tank.

If you role a Priest, they expect you to heal.

If you role a Paladin, they expect you to heal or tank, while they can dps, if geared right and well played.

If you role a Druid, they expect you to heal or tank, dps doesn't enter into their unopened minds.

This thread is so old that the original person could have lvled both by now.

Feral druids can get away with being kitty dps in raids by doing the following... tank trash, dps boss.  prot pallies can also tank trash and heal on boss.  Prot warriors just do lol dps when not tanking.

No druid should expect to be pure feral dps 100% of the time.  Being able to change gear and go bear to deal with trash/multi mob encounters is what makes them so great in the first place. If you want to be selfish you can be a non-tanking stickler... or just roll rogue.

Feral sucks in lvl 70 arenas and premades becus of high resilience and they get worse and worse all the time in raid dpsing

you should just roll rouge, or you can suck it up in cat form

Well you won't have much joy in groups as a DPS druid.  You are missing the whole point of being a drood in the first place and that IS the versatility.  If all you are interested in is doing DPS then take your Ritalin and roll a Rogue, Mage or even a Warlock.  They are the best DPS classes and as such will always be taken to instances ahead of a cat-form druid, especially if you only want to play as cat and so have no idea or interest in playing the other forms properly.  Plus, as a cat form druid you will rely heavily on bleed attacks to up your DPS, so once you hit bleed-immune mobs then you will struggle to match the rogues/mages etc...

The main reason people want a druid is to Tank and/or to Heal.  These are the two in short supply and a Bear druid is better at keeping aggro than a warrior and has more health than a paladin by far so make great tanks.  As a healer spec they are not as good at direct heals as say a priest or paladin but they make up for this by having the best HoT spells and with the right gear they could easily keep the whole party alive...providing they are good at what they do, which in essence is the mantra of a druid...you need to know the class and know it well.

Personally if you are not interested in healing or tanking then don't roll a druid.  If it is just your alt to play around on solo then by all means try out a cat-form druid but don't expect much in the way of end-game for that.  If all you want to do is loads of DPS then just roll a  rogue - their reagents don't cost all that much and what you get out of the the reagents is much more than what you put in.  But like all classes good players are preferred over a specific class so don't expect to get future invites if you can't do your job correctly.  Learn what you need to do for the group and put that ahead of your 'topping the dps meter' ambitions....that will follow if you do your job well but shouldn't be your primary concern with any class.

ok heres the deal.... when i had a lvl 50 feral cat druid and 50 rouge my cat easily dps out my rouge because mangle does freaked out dmg and lvl 50-69 u out dps all classes belive me and u easily out dps rouges and questing in cat form is shit in bear u can get like 4 mobs at the same time kill em fast throw a heal and go again.... but in cat form u always got 5% to 8% more crit than rouges and easily out dps them...
but when u hit 70 all changes... feral druid in arena = sux really hard and in pve u only get tanking spots because its true in lvl 70 most classes out dps feral druid if not all...
and when u ding 70 and try resto u will never find anything so fun resto is the best specc u can ever find its so fun because u have total controll over battles and can heal as much as u want... my suggestion is try only cat form but u will get dissapointed because u wont dps alot and 50 down dps sux and in lvl 70 u will get really dissapointed because feral is so slow and bad only good pve tanking.... kkthxbye

I think making a feral druid soley for cat form and abandoning bear form is a dumb move. Thats like making a shaman but ONLY doing lightning moves, or making a lock so he can do ONLY fire moves. A feral druid is extremely versitile, and if you dont use that versitality your just a gimped rogue. When i was leveling i could literally bear grind 6 mobs of my same level at once, so i grinded out many of my levels. At 70, i use both forms. I switch consistantly between them. If a mage starts blasting be with a fireball i shift into bear, charge him, cat form dps him. If a rogue ganks me, i use bear. Its hilarious when theres like 3 or 4 warriors on me along with 3 or 4 rogues, mostly because i last (with frenzied regen) for a LONG time, generally i can even kill one. My point.. play the class, not cat form.

OK..I've read most of these posts...lvl 52 ferel(cat) mostly. I've come across several stormshround gear w/ attack power and devilsaur. Grabbed the devilsaur and storshroud shoulders...question is I got rid of my green shoulders with agilty , stregth..When do you replace actual gear that has strengh and replaceit w/ items that have attack power, esp the sets? TY

no need to replace it realy... at 58, when you get to outland, there will be plenty of items with both stats on them. just get what drops, no need to itemhunt like crazy at lvl52 :P

Feral kitty's are able to do a massive amount of damage. If played and geared/gemmed correctly it can match the damage of any other class (the multiple bleed effects are a godsend).

Sure, pure dps/dd classes dish out the damage easier. Then why not build a raid with nothing but mages/rogues or similar???

The answer to this is easy: we support the raid in our own way (buffs, debuffs, innervate, combat res, OT in time of stress etc). We have to accept pure dps classes CAN outdamage us (not saying they WILL by default!), yet we are a great support act to keep the fight going.

Some peeps consider runs as a dps competition "OMG, anyone has a damage meter? LINK IT!", yet what is the goal of an heroics/raid? Exactly: downing the MoFo! It's a team effort, not a solo career.
The trick is in how to maximize your role in the benefit of what the party/raid is trying to achieve...

what exactly kind of gems /gear are needed?

edit...I know we need ag, stam, str in kitty but was  wondering many rewards have ag AP ect sometimes strengh..AND HIT..just when do you gine up some AG gear w/ less ag on a pc but more aP and maybe hit?

u should honestly quit wow, if all u want to do is gank then pls be a rogue

Ive built a 70 Rogue and am now building a feral drood.  My strategy is pretty simple.  I leave the instances pretty much alone and rely on quests to level.  the quests are done primarily
as kitty.  My gear is AGI/STR/AP/STAM in that order.  I do use bear occasionally when facing multiple mobs and the only casts i end up doing are heals and the occasional pull.  Once I hit 70 I intend to play around with rapid shapeshifting and head to the arenas and BG's.  The Rogue and Kitty are pretty close for DPS
what the rogue has going for it though is 1) Stuns and Zaps I.E. crowd control 2) the ability to stealth while in a fight allowing multiple openers or just head out of dodge.  The kitty has some nice features 1) heals 2) bear form to slow down HP drain 3) shapeshift to escape crowd control.

Obviously a feral druid needs to have 2 sets, depending on your role (OT/Dps) and the next pack of mobs (although you may be OT, some packs do not require multiple tanks and u can go dps).

On my taking gear my gem slots and enchants are mainly focussed towards (in this order):
- agi
- dodge/crit/str/ap
- stam
- expertise
- hit

Why?
As dps roles and healers gear up, they gain threat faster. U need to do the same in order to keep the mob/boss. In addition, to reduce time spend on nasty phases of a boss, fast dps of the dps classes is required. You do want to keep aggro in those phases. So fast aggro build is high on my list. Gotta look at your avoidance though. High agi in bear equals massive dodging, rage gain (crits), armor (decrease melee dmg taken) and dps (aggro). Imo you don't need to stack stam-gems in every slot if your avoidance is there. Shame to miss out on some good gemslot bonusses.

My dps gear is more for fun, as you don't spend that much time in kitty. Dps gear is focussed towards:
- str
- ap/hit
- agi/crit
- stam

The idea is simple: shame you have all this nice attack power and go swoosh....... Gotta hit to make the ap do its work. Crits improve your number of balls to spend and finishing moves. Making the trash/boss bleed as much as you can is the trick. Lately nearly every target can bleed i think. Use it.

I know i'm not raiding BT/MH and stuff, but I have little problems in doing what i'm there for in the raids im running.

Bear (buffed, no pots/proc/trinks):
HP: 18500
Crit immune out of talent/defense/resi
AP: 2300
Dodge: 44%
Crits: 39%
Armor: 28000

Kitty (buffed, no pots/proc/trinks):
HP: 13500
AP: 3700
Crits: 42%

Still looking to improve my stam though......
But don't wanna sacrifice too much of the stats i have atm.
Still figuring out.....