okay i have a 70 pally and i have nothing against ret pallys but ret is not an option if your gonna be serious about raiding. 1 you can do nice burst damage but in boss encounters yo will come no were close to the main dps classes so your wasting a spot for another healer or a better dps class. 2 the people the get offended and list 1 pally with the best possible gear out there whos gonna smash your face with his hammer stfu i bet if u look at the dam meter at the end hes not even close the top.