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  •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
    Score 4.3     Vote: [-] [+] by MalakaMan, 11.0 months ago
    Last edit: 11.0 months ago
    I totally aggree with your statement about the "lazy lore" as I like to call it, introduced in BC.

    I DO enjoy playing BC and instances like Karazhan who are truely FUN to play. But yes, as per the lore, there could have much more detailed work been done by Blizzard, who's employees are usually quite creative concerning story lines.

    Since we all know that Illidan does actually die and with Patch 2.4 Kil'Jaeden will be a killable boss, I once again have to throw in a couple of ideas since actually KILLING the leader of a demon army (Burning Legion) and sort of peronification of evil does not make sense to me.

    Why not creating Bosses that are not actually killed, but somewhat escape when realizing that their failure is imminent. This has been used with almost all super villains in any sort of continuing series:
    James Bond never caught Blofeld, Spider Man keeps chasing the various descendents/relatives of the Green Goblin, Super Man never kills Lex Luthor, Batman never kills the Joker (ok... let's see what happens in the next Film ;-)... this is a never ending list. The main villain escaping and still being an all-overshadowing threat is a simple dramatic scheme applied to ALL successfull fiction series. Why are you (Blizzard) not continuing to apply this in WoW? It would simply make the game more believable. OK... till now, Arthas is the that sort of Villain, but he is killable now? Does this mean you want to end the series?

    OK... let's say Arthas will sort of escape and continue to be the main enemy: By just having one super Villain (Arthas in this case) the Job is not done. WoW is way too complex to simply have one of this kind. Kil'Jaeden should be the same, Illidan also should have been... maybe it would even have been interesting that low level Bosses like the King from BRD to re-appear (that was an interesting story line) maybe Hakkar being summoned/ressurrected once more or even VanCleef with a stronger, new Defias Gang regrouping etc.

    People would have fun when at high level facing a Boss from long time ago who escaped that time and is ready to have his revenge.

    It would even have been great if Illidan was not killed, but sort of escapes outland or maybe even in a dramatic scene after the fight, kills Maiev, making it sort of a "to be continued..." story and causing other interesting plot possibilities by killing her (new Expansion: Wrath of the Night Elves :-P ). Imagine how great it would be if he would re-appear in Northrend in WotLK or even show up for another fight with arthas? Also then, Blizzard would not need to create weird and never heard of Bosses/Evils that contradict the basic lore. They could stick to the ever so loved Villans, having them as a sort of constant threat that has to be fought back.

    The Ahn'Qiraj thing was an interesting change and this was a newly introduced but believable threat which also justifies a sort of final kill of C'Thun just as Zul'Gurub and Hakkar... Qiraj/ZG threat removed - Let's move back to the actual enemies: Arthas/Scourge/Illidan/Burning Legion etc.

    Yes... Prince Malchezaar(or whatever)... who the hell is he?
    Why not e.g. (whooooaaaa... major Plot following) the King of Stormwind (that Storyline was never continued) who looked for refuge when trying to flee from the Defias who captured him and then became corrupted and possessed by a remaining echo of sargeras that was still present and bound to the Tower? The goal then would be to sort of redeem him from the curse by either being forced to kill him or having him, when almost dead, be releast from sargeras' echo? Also, there are then endless possibilities of what happens after the King is released.

    It really would be a shame if in WotLK Arthas is actually killed. He should also sort of escape (to another realm? Emerald Dream?) after the Battle, making a following expansion sort of a pursuit of Arthas/Lich King.

    Same thing should have been done with Kel'Thuzad as now it seems ridiculous that Naxx is made a new Lvl 80 raid with him again as a Boss... He should have maybe escaped to Nothrend and therefore have been ready for the WotLK expansion.

    Well, I sort or bombed the community now with ideas. Some may like them, some may not, but I believe we all aggree on the "Villain escaping" theory.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.1     Vote: [-] [+] by goalieman <Elders of Undermine>, 10.9 months ago
      I see what you are saying about bosses "getting away", but I'm not sure about you, but if my guild was downing Illidan, and all of a sudden he just "ran away", even if he left full tier 6 behind in his "escape" I would still be pissed, because i wanted to DOWN him. thats the whole thing- DOWNING the bosses, not kicking their ass and then letting it go.

    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.1     Vote: [-] [+] by Falagor, 10.7 months ago
      I agreed, but u are gonna face Kael'thas again, cause he is trying to summon Kil'jaeden in the sunwell plateau, just as the highborne tried to summon Sargeras.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.5     Vote: [-] [+] by Captain Chemo's Scrotum, 8.1 months ago
      Many people should have noticed by... Strat Live side? that WoW is simply Blizzards tool to allow players to experience the lore and universe first hand. That was Balnazzar.

      Then came Ragnaros, who we've never heard of outside of the WC games. Finally, a true Raid encounter, something to pump the players up to feel like truly epic heroes.

      Then came Nefarian. Red flags should have gone up immediately (well, should have come at Ony, but she was the first Raid boss requiring some lvl of strategy and cooperation, so everyone was being blindsided by that fact and not realizing the trend to come). People should have noticed that Blizzard has officially copped out, and has turned WoW into a virtual arena where WC lore nuts could fight their favorite villains. At least back then, Blizzard was still cranking out consistent and believable plots to back up this virtual arena.

      Then came Kel'thuzad ans Sapphiron. That's still believable, to some degree. It was established that Kel was left behind to oversee Arthas's empire while he was away, so that explains just why he is where he is, why he waited until now to unleash the new Scourge threat, and just what the hell a Naxxramas and why it's there.

      Then came TBC, and as we all know all hell broke loose. Blizzard has officially stopped bothering to provide plausible lore, or even adhere to the existing one. Instead they've ret-conned or shoe-horned villains and enemies into the world, while patching together different excuses as for why we, the so called Heroes, are engaged in wanton destruction all over Outland. Now it's all about throwing all known villains into the game and letting players duke it out with them.

      Might as well turn this into a true DoTA and just create 3 teams: The Alliance, The Horde, and The Despicable League of Villains, plop them down into a flat, textureless landscape, and let them have a FFA. It would amount to about the same thing.

      Oh wait, we already have private servers for that.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.5     Vote: [-] [+] by MikeThePaladin, 7.7 months ago
      You have chosen to see what you belive,that there is no more lore to it all. But you forget,that there is tons of lore left. The Dragon Aspects (Malygos is gonna be in WOTLK for example,or whatever his name is),the Ashbringer,Queen Aszhara,Neptulon,Old gods (Emerald Dream) and the exotic south islands.

      Just cause all the "big" villians that are in the spotlight die,doesnt really mean that its all over.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.6     Vote: [-] [+] by InfernalMonkeh, 5.5 months ago
      Ok, all the KJs and KT escape at least once. Kil'jaeden will be pushed back to the Twisting Nether by Anveena and Kalecgos with the help of the raid.

      Kael'thas was ressurected/saved by his green orb thing, but was sadly killed in MgT.

      Finally Kel'Thuzad was not killed, just defeated. The Argent Dawn were bringing the object to permenantly seal his death, when the Scourge ambushed them and stole the object, allowing KT's revival. In Naxx II, we will likely destroy KT for good.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
        Score 1.6     Vote: [-] [+] by Shadow <Chosen of the Titans>, 5.4 months ago
        Last edit: 3.2 months ago
        Finally Kel'Thuzad was not killed, just defeated. The Argent Dawn were bringing the object to permenantly seal his death, when the Scourge ambushed them and stole the object, allowing KT's revival. In Naxx II, we will likely destroy KT for good.

        Ummm...well, as much of a good theory of the undead ambushing Argent Dawn is, that wasn't really what happened. It never says what really happens.
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          Score 1.6     Vote: [-] [+] by lockcoil, 2.5 months ago
          Last edit: 2.5 months ago
          Sorry but you're both wrong. This is an extract from WoWWiki which i came across yesterday after looking up the Phylactery of Kel'Thuzad. After "killing" Kel'Thuzad and looting his phylactery you get the quest The Fall of Kel'Thuzad and on gaining it you get presented the intro text:

          "The phylactery is all that remains of the master of Naxxramas. Your better judgment dictates that you destroy the phylactery, preventing the lich from ever reforming. Thankfully, you seldom listen to that internal voice of reason.

          Someone at Light's Hope will pay you hugely for this artifact. Who cares if Kel'Thuzad regenerates to full power?

          After doing so you bring the phylactery to Father Inigo Montoy at the Light's Hope Chapel and he continues the quest with this text:

          BLESSED LIGHT! What foulness do you hold, (boy/girl)?

          The short delivery quest now ends with this text:

          In all my days of living I would never have expected to see this...

          <Father Montoy appears to be salivating.>

          Oh yes, you will be rewarded dear (boy/girl). You will be greatly rewarded. Give it here. Now!

          Now being bewildered by this text and having nothing better to do i looked up Inigo Montoy and at the top of his page all my questions were answered as to how Kel'Thuzad returns in WoTLK:

          Following the assault on Naxxramas, the agents who defeated Kel'Thuzad delivered his phylactery to Inigo for payment. However, the Argent Dawn reports that they never received the phylactery. It would thus appear that Montoy's true master is not the Argent Dawn at all, but so far nothing is known about his motivations.

          It is interesting to note that in the quest "An End And A Beginning",(a WoTLK quest i may add) Bolvar Fordragon insinuates that the Lich Thel'zan the Duskbringer is in fact Inigo Montoy, raised as a Lich by Arthas.

          I believe this should put an end to any Kel'Thuzad queries you may have :)....and i posted this on Illidan's page? lol :P
    •   Report  Quote Reply Eh...
      Score 1.6     Vote: [-] [+] by Shadow <Chosen of the Titans>, 5.4 months ago
      Nah, you don't really Kill Kil'jaeden, you simply defeat him. He gets distracted or something like that for a moment, then loses balance, then pretty much falls down the Sunwell, or at least thats what I think happens.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Illidan Stormrage
      Score 1.5     Vote: [-] [+] by flamezors, 3.5 months ago
      ok yeah dude i completely agree with u on the whole "Escaping" theory.
      if i know blizz they probly already have some weirdo lore about illidan. Maybe arthas rose him from the dead as his servant. and BTW i thought Nite Elfs were Immortal. so illidan couldnt have died?
      anyways i have 1 more thing too add about Prince Malcheaar.
      i have a theory that he is Kil'Jaeden or Archimonde's son.
      Why?
      1. He is an Eredar which is the race that Archie/KJ are.
      2. if u pay attention in the fight he says " Not only do u face Malchezaar alone, But the egions i command" referring to the Burning Legion.
      im not sure on this but i believe Archie is the commander and KJ is the recruiter.
      so when he says Legions he commands maybe he is heir to the position of commanding the burning legion, since he is titled "Prince" and looks exactly like Archimonde
      Just throwing that in there
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