>>>> I get sick of this "warlocks are over powered" argument.
Agreed.
>>>> Warlocks are not overpowered, infact they're just as they should be as one of if not the most damaging class out there.
There is no reason for warlocks to be the sole best damage dealers, but they should be able to share that spot with mages, rogues, shadow priests, ect.
>>>> Why? Well warlocks have little to no CC.
We have little CC, but not no CC.
>>>> Rogues can sap, mages can sheep, hunters can trap, but locks have nothing. We have to survive. To that end we have dots, spells that allow us to damage without full focus so we can actually work on surviving.
Wow, you're comparing our CC to rogues and mages, the two classes who need more CC than us because they don't have a demon to hide behind. And, I think fear is far more useful than traps. Most hunters will never put points into trap talents because of the rarety of using them.
>>>> So no CC, lets continue, like many DPS classes we're limited to cloth, so basically no damage mitigation, but unlike mages we dont have skills like ice block or frost nova to temporarily dodge the damage.
Yes, we have CC. To say we have no CC is a lie. No we don't have ice block, but we don't really need it as much as mages and whereas only frost spec mages get ice block, any spec warlock can seduce/sacrifice/spell lock. How is frost nova too different than howl of terror? Yes frost nova is better, but really, we don't need it. Just because a mage spell is better than a warlock spell, doesn't mean that a warlock still can't be over powered.
>>>> Unlike priests we dont have skills to increase armor greatly (yes demon armor, but a few hundered is far from the over 1k that priest get from inner fire) and unlike both we have no shielding spell, save sacrificing a voidwalker which if you're at that point you've already lost.
We don't need to increase our armor like priests, we can hide behind a demon and we have better CC than a priest. Demon > innerfire. A lot of priests don't even use innerfire. As for already having lost if you sacrifice, you're ignoring the fact that demolocks can sac a void and almost instant summon another pet. Destruct and afflict warlocks can do the same because the talents to get an instant summon pet are low on the demo tree.
>>>> Oh yes, we're the most reagent heavy class in the game. Soul shards are a warlocks ass. Also our vendor bought reagents, while not necessary, are the most expensive in the game.
Yes, we are reagent dependent. That is kind of the fun/obstacle of our class, but being reagent dependent doesn't really determine whether we are over powered or not. It is a con, it doesn't affect our power unless we run out.
>>>> A good fire mage can cast till his hands bleed. They're incredibly mana effecient with talents.
Yes, warlocks are not mana efficient. That is the trade off of our class. That is what seperates a mage from a warlock. We become mana inefficient, but in return we get really high burst damage. If a warlock wants to be mana efficient, he always has the option of speccing affliction. Being mana inefficient isn't a bad thing for our class. It is the reason we are so powerful.
>>>> There is a time and place for fear, it can be used to hold a stray add off, that is until the diminishing return makes it worthless, under very unique circumstance, but all in all its a pvp skill that rarely sees any use in raids or dungeons.
Yes, fear is a pvp skill, because in pve, we get to hide behind our pet or other players.
>>>> We do not heal you,
No we don't and neither do some other classes that do less damage.
>>>> we do not tank your mobs,
Unless we use voidwalker or felguard.
>>>> we do not control the numbers on a pull,
Unless we use seduce or banish, or send our pet to occupy an enemy.
>>>> we kill that is all we do, and we do it fucking well.
Okay. It seems Shadownaut explained that Warlocks are not easy to play and require that you spend your talent points. However, it looks like he went out of his way to make warlocks look weak and completely ignored things like fear. He said half a dozen times that warlocks do not have CC. He ignore situations where a warlock can use his pet to tank or occupy an enemy in a group. And he made it look as if we need as much CC as a frost mage. That is really the wrong way to defend our class. It's being deceptive about the things our class can do and focusing on the cons like mana inefficiency. He picked the one class build with the best CC, a frost mage, and almost solely compared a warlock's CC to it, ignoring other classes and builds.
Onto his next post:
>>>> Fear is not CC, CC is Crowd Control, I.E. it controls a crowd or "mob" fear is the exact opposite, it makes them run wildly regarldess of what you want.
Of course it is CC. Just because it makes the enemy run, instead of stand still, doesn't mean it isn't CC. The only spell that truely allows you to control another unit's actions is the Priest's mind control.
>>>> it is NOT crowd control
Please, stop lying. You make it look like the warlocks position is so weak that they have to lie about not being over powered. Use some legitament arguments.
>>>> Again, if you're using fear in a defensive manner you're either in a rare position where there is nothing close by to be grabbed by the roaming NPC or you're getting ready to turn tail.
If there are NPCs nearby to grab agro, then you are likely fighting NPCs. In that case you have the option of usually hiding behind a pet/ally. Fear is a PVP skill, but we don't really need it for PVE, because we have pets. It seems like you are completely ignoring the fact that we have pets for PVE and fear for PVP and just complaining about the fact that we don't have ice block. Most builds don't have ice block.
>>>> I didnt say we were weak, I said we are as we should be.
No, you never said warlocks were weak, but you wen't well out of your way to make them look weak. You complained about how much fear does not work in PVE, but you neglected the fact that we have pets to hide behind in PVE.
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Agreed.
>>>> Warlocks are not overpowered, infact they're just as they should be as one of if not the most damaging class out there.
There is no reason for warlocks to be the sole best damage dealers, but they should be able to share that spot with mages, rogues, shadow priests, ect.
>>>> Why? Well warlocks have little to no CC.
We have little CC, but not no CC.
>>>> Rogues can sap, mages can sheep, hunters can trap, but locks have nothing. We have to survive. To that end we have dots, spells that allow us to damage without full focus so we can actually work on surviving.
Wow, you're comparing our CC to rogues and mages, the two classes who need more CC than us because they don't have a demon to hide behind. And, I think fear is far more useful than traps. Most hunters will never put points into trap talents because of the rarety of using them.
>>>> So no CC, lets continue, like many DPS classes we're limited to cloth, so basically no damage mitigation, but unlike mages we dont have skills like ice block or frost nova to temporarily dodge the damage.
Yes, we have CC. To say we have no CC is a lie. No we don't have ice block, but we don't really need it as much as mages and whereas only frost spec mages get ice block, any spec warlock can seduce/sacrifice/spell lock. How is frost nova too different than howl of terror? Yes frost nova is better, but really, we don't need it. Just because a mage spell is better than a warlock spell, doesn't mean that a warlock still can't be over powered.
>>>> Unlike priests we dont have skills to increase armor greatly (yes demon armor, but a few hundered is far from the over 1k that priest get from inner fire) and unlike both we have no shielding spell, save sacrificing a voidwalker which if you're at that point you've already lost.
We don't need to increase our armor like priests, we can hide behind a demon and we have better CC than a priest. Demon > innerfire. A lot of priests don't even use innerfire. As for already having lost if you sacrifice, you're ignoring the fact that demolocks can sac a void and almost instant summon another pet. Destruct and afflict warlocks can do the same because the talents to get an instant summon pet are low on the demo tree.
>>>> Oh yes, we're the most reagent heavy class in the game. Soul shards are a warlocks ass. Also our vendor bought reagents, while not necessary, are the most expensive in the game.
Yes, we are reagent dependent. That is kind of the fun/obstacle of our class, but being reagent dependent doesn't really determine whether we are over powered or not. It is a con, it doesn't affect our power unless we run out.
>>>> A good fire mage can cast till his hands bleed. They're incredibly mana effecient with talents.
Yes, warlocks are not mana efficient. That is the trade off of our class. That is what seperates a mage from a warlock. We become mana inefficient, but in return we get really high burst damage. If a warlock wants to be mana efficient, he always has the option of speccing affliction. Being mana inefficient isn't a bad thing for our class. It is the reason we are so powerful.
>>>> There is a time and place for fear, it can be used to hold a stray add off, that is until the diminishing return makes it worthless, under very unique circumstance, but all in all its a pvp skill that rarely sees any use in raids or dungeons.
Yes, fear is a pvp skill, because in pve, we get to hide behind our pet or other players.
>>>> We do not heal you,
No we don't and neither do some other classes that do less damage.
>>>> we do not tank your mobs,
Unless we use voidwalker or felguard.
>>>> we do not control the numbers on a pull,
Unless we use seduce or banish, or send our pet to occupy an enemy.
>>>> we kill that is all we do, and we do it fucking well.
Okay. It seems Shadownaut explained that Warlocks are not easy to play and require that you spend your talent points. However, it looks like he went out of his way to make warlocks look weak and completely ignored things like fear. He said half a dozen times that warlocks do not have CC. He ignore situations where a warlock can use his pet to tank or occupy an enemy in a group. And he made it look as if we need as much CC as a frost mage. That is really the wrong way to defend our class. It's being deceptive about the things our class can do and focusing on the cons like mana inefficiency. He picked the one class build with the best CC, a frost mage, and almost solely compared a warlock's CC to it, ignoring other classes and builds.
Onto his next post:
>>>> Fear is not CC, CC is Crowd Control, I.E. it controls a crowd or "mob" fear is the exact opposite, it makes them run wildly regarldess of what you want.
Of course it is CC. Just because it makes the enemy run, instead of stand still, doesn't mean it isn't CC. The only spell that truely allows you to control another unit's actions is the Priest's mind control.
>>>> it is NOT crowd control
Please, stop lying. You make it look like the warlocks position is so weak that they have to lie about not being over powered. Use some legitament arguments.
>>>> Again, if you're using fear in a defensive manner you're either in a rare position where there is nothing close by to be grabbed by the roaming NPC or you're getting ready to turn tail.
If there are NPCs nearby to grab agro, then you are likely fighting NPCs. In that case you have the option of usually hiding behind a pet/ally. Fear is a PVP skill, but we don't really need it for PVE, because we have pets. It seems like you are completely ignoring the fact that we have pets for PVE and fear for PVP and just complaining about the fact that we don't have ice block. Most builds don't have ice block.
>>>> I didnt say we were weak, I said we are as we should be.
No, you never said warlocks were weak, but you wen't well out of your way to make them look weak. You complained about how much fear does not work in PVE, but you neglected the fact that we have pets to hide behind in PVE.
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