I wish people would stop saying this "no fear" in duels. If you think about it fear is the only way we have from attacks nailing on our napkins (cloth armor) over and over again. Other clothers like mages have frost spells that slow or stop people, and priests have AoE fear, heal, bubble, mind flay. Warlocks do not get instant damage spells like mages, but DoTs after a certain amout of time. If people like rouges warriors shammys or druids are attacking us and jumping around over the place it would be extremly painful and difficult to get a spell out and thats only 1 spell.

Well i agree. Its stupid saying "stop using X, cause i cant pwn ya". I remember a long time ago, when i dueled one warrior with my pally, he said something like "come on! dont use ur noob heals!"... hhahaha. Ok, if someone say dont use fear, asnwer him  - dont use x (choose very important ability here). Or better, use all of your spells, just as he will.

P.S

I hate when ppl say that some class is overpowered when they have the view point only from their own class.

A warlock fear can also break on damage and there are so many ways to get around fear... ingsig of alliance/horde mainly. snap kick for rogues and death wish for warriors.

How is that not stratigic? Guess its not realized that an affliction locks spells take at least one minute to do damage. I dont understand. Are we supposed to stand there and take your hits and hope we dont die before our dots even do damage to you? Doesnt matter because you will just heal before you die and then come at me again.

Look, anyone who says anything about what you can and cant do to kill someone is a noob. They deserve to die. Blizz makes over a billion dollars a year off of this game, I really don't think they would give any class an ability that is unfair. Warlocks have fear, pallys have bubbles, shamans have totems and mail and a level 20 travel form and almost any skill they use you can complain about if you want to, rouges have stealth... almost every class has something like that. Except priests. They're lame.

I share your frustration with these noobs! I've had people say it to me, then swearing at me after owning them after a constant fear stream!

Like mentioned above I enjoy saying I wont use fear if you unequip your sword XD

I agree. Just do as the guy a few posts above me said. "you dont want me to use fear? ok dont use (insert most powerful skill he has here)"

and to whoever said you can chain fear without breaking form dmg...well that's just wrong fear breaks form dmg not only.. it also has diminsihing returns and not to mention you can break it by simply using a trinket.

Same I hate it when I duel and some one says "omg Stop fearing me and being cheap"!!! lol and i just SAY ITS A LOCK SPELL HOW THE HECK IS IT CHEAP!!!

I have only this to say, I am a Warlock, you are going to expect fear, weither you like it or not

yer i wish they would stop crying about something like fearing because it was put there for a perpose and so it should be used for what its used for end-of...

I say the same fear is needed for us to survive and because of noobs cryin that they can't beat us blizzard nerf it. I think it's good actually with the diminishing but the there r hundred of other ways too counter. All classes can with trinket and some more effects.
Mage: Counterspell with spec a silence too
Priest: Fear ward
Warrior: Wont even talk about it
Rogue: CoS
Shaman: Tremor totem
Paladin: Bubble
Druid: None actually
Warlock: We can't even defende us from other locks
Hunter: BW and TBW

I time the duration of when my Fear ends with a Shadow Bolt then follow up with Netherweave Net and nail them for another Shadow Bolt. 2 free attacks in and then I still have time to cast Fear on them if I'm lucky.

So they nerfed Fear. So? I'll find other ways to piss other classes off that dare to say were over powered. We aren't. If Warlocks are over powered then every class that has an effective openning attack against a Warlock or any other class is then over powered as well.

I wish people would stop whining about everything in the game and just learn how to deal with the way other people fight with their characters.

Many mages hate it when I do this.

Death Coil, Corruption + Minion attack macro, Siphon Life, recall minion, Fear, CoA, Life Tap, Drain Life, Shadow Bolt, Netherweave Net, Shadow Bolt, Fear, etc. You guys get the picture.

If some class tells me not to use Fear I will request them not to use one of their best attacks as well. Like.. if a hunter tells me not to use Fear, they can't use their ranged weapon. Fear is the corner stone attack that is built into every single warlock attack strategy in the game. Everyone needs to quit complaining about it.

I was dueling a warrior yesterday. First he was like "No fear, that's cheap." Ok, I use no fear, and I still beat his ass even though he's 6 lvls higher. Next duel "No using pets either, that's not fair." Fine, I put my minion on passive, and I STILL kill him. Guess what he says next? "You can't use DoT's, they're OP" I still beat him with 20HP left running around (Minor speed increase FTW!! XD) and shadowbolting. I finally had enough when he goes, "You can't use Shadowbolt, that does way too much dmg." I'm like "Ok, so what? I stand here and try to wand you down?" If Blizz did what people wanted, we would be the class who wears cloth and uses wands with no spells at all.

lol which god forsaken warrior were u duelling?
gg tho :)
he whittled u down all the way just to shadowbolts and still u hit the shit outta him?
lol, talk about noob and tactless
what lvl is this at anyway?

I HATE when people try to impose the "no fear" rule, it's sick. Everyone brags about their own class, and how uber they are, then when a "lowly cloth wearer" pwns a plated up warrior or pally, all of a sudden we're OP. Go play Galaga if you don't like it, and stop bugging me just because you spent 15x as much g on your equipment as I did just to get spanked and sent off to the AH to look for upgrades.

Actually a druid can shapeshift and break fearing.  "The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects" 

An undead warlock (only undead though) has Will of the Forsaken to remove fear and causes immunity to it for 5 seconds.  After that it's tough stuff. 

I've encountered numerous rogues, warriors, and pally's that I can't beat.  Rogues have a ton of stuns/dazes and keep me stun locked if they're good enough.  Warriors break fear rather easy and are immune for 10 secs ( i believe) after.  Pally's have a silence spell and that invincible bubble that Blizz should nerf.  Horde Pally's don't get a bubble that invincible.

lol, "u cant touch the keyboard, it makes it difficult for me to win"  I beat him anyway.  Thank you, thorns!

I totally agree it is pretty gay when people "no fear" it is the only way we can survive. If they hate is so much they should get the trinket that dispels movement problems

yer i agree fearing is pretty useful :D

*zeolord you double posted ;p*

You don't want to use fear all the time though.  Definately not in an instance or when you're leveling and can aggro other mobs around.  I've made that mistake a time or two.  I tried to take on an elite alone in Blade's Edge and as she was running around, she aggro'ed 5 other mobs and I was dead quicker than anything.  You can easily wipe a group using fear if you're not careful.

Err.....Fear makes you run faster...so it isn't a movement impairing effect....I think..

This post is pure win

coil and howl have cooldowns for cryin out loud if you dont have a trink or somthing to stop it then its your own fault for being a noob not blizz's, but again cooldowns its not like a lock can endlessly coil and howl.and regular fear cast is less reliable and even useless if repeated

Well said

Its not that we ahve a problem with you just using fera its that you fear spam then act like we suck for loosing a fight inwich we couldnt do anything



oh and lock fears can be broken by dmg its just less likey than with priests

Ok, first lets be honest. It probably went something like this; you rode into Goldshire with your shiny new armor, saw a lock standing around and figured you'd get in an easy few seconds of pwnage to try and help justify the hundreds of gold you just spent on mail/plate armor, new weapons, enchants, etc...

So you go up to the lock and request a duel without even so much as a hello, and follow that up with either a /s or a /y "Duel me n00b!!".

The fight begins and you get DoT'd and feared and basicly delt with.

Now I know you mele classes are going to flame me for this, and thats fine, but untill you stop seeing us "squishy" casters as easy targets, then expect this to keep happening.

Just ask yourself one question, "If this warlock/mage/priest, were of the other faction, and the fight counted, would you be so quick to go rushing in?"

Dueling with rules? Screw that, just go into another BG..

Look at all the poor babies who can not kill a warlock.
I laugh every time I read someone crying about any class being OP.  When will you people learn, it is not the class it is the player!  If you got owned by a Lock or a Rogue or a etc... that are about the same level as you, the class is NOT OP, they are just better players then you are, deal with it.  Get better and next time maybe you will win.  MAYBE.

Saying a class is OP is just a sad excuse to try to not admit that a better player beat you down.  Everyone in the game has lost to someone else, it is going to happen.  Get better and learn from it, do not cry and hope Blizzard will nerf so you can have a better chance. 

Heh. I remember getting this from a rogue, and then immediately said "Ok, don't stealth." He didn't stealth, I Curse of Exhaustioned him, and kited him all over the area, waving occasionally.

But yeah, we can play w/o fear, but jeez, is it annoying to do so. Fear is mah beshtesht buddy, and I even went through the trouble of getting insta-HoT because I like it so much. Any class that CAN'T get out of a fearlock obviously shouldn't be pvping...

Being undead helps... alot... And I keep getting "Why are you undead, blood elves are sooo much better." Then they whine when I go into a CoE/Fearlock. Hypocrites.

Oh, and to V0iJ, seriously, get a LIFE. Warriors, pallys, priests, undead, trinkets, and hell, even direct DAMAGE can break fear. Fel Concentration is NECESSARY for LEVELING during higher lvls. If you say decrease that, then decrease EVERY sort of thing that helps you maintain combat with someone. Why not add an extra 5 minute CD on vanish? Why not give priest bubble a 2 minute CD? Why not make pally bubbles not get rid of harmful spell effects? Why not make hunter's pets be unupgradable? Why not give druids a health penalty and a CD for shifting forms? Why not make warriors only able to wear mail? Why not make mage's frost nova be breakable through damage, or get rid of their insta-aoe? Jeez man, I get annoyed by these in PvP, but I'm not O-M-G NERFNERFNERF! I find ways to get around them, and increase my skill in pvp. Fear is just CC, and I think the best pvp CC in the game, but that fact is countered by, you guessed it, Shitty armor rating, main dmg being DoT (if it isn't they'll break you out of fear in no time), and being without an escape plan if things go bad, other than AoE fear (which I guarantee won't let you out of a bad pvp senario)

Look. He said that cloth has a 50% damage reduction.
That in itself proves he's an idiot.
Why bother justifying anything to him....

Back to the topic.

Fear is...useful. It's not overly helpful (to me) for killing any class, except maybe mages. In my opinion, PvE is really where it shines, as a tool for soloing elites. However, as you probably know, it comes with the danger of aggroing other mobs.

Elementals on Elemental Plateu are social...how strange...

Whoops. Double post. Actually, I could do something else here...

To the poster 3 posts above this one (v0something), this is the correct way to kill a Warlock

Step 1 - Grow a brain
Step 2 - Get some PvP armor
Step 3 - Look at your screen
Step 4 - Practice
Step 5 - Kill him?

Original Post: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=271557184&sid=1&pageNo=1

There are things that will break Fear.

Equipment

* Faction Insignia — With the exception of hunter, warrior, and shaman, all other classes can break Fear once using [Insignia of the Alliance] or [Insignia of the Horde].
* [Glimmering Mithril Insignia] — Blacksmith Trinket grants 30 seconds of fear immunity.
(greater list below)

Racial Traits or Class Abilities

* Forsaken — Forsaken has a racial trait Will of the Forsaken which breaks fear and grants 5 seconds of fear immunity.
* Hunter — Beast Mastery spec'd hunters may break fear with The Beast Within.
* Mage — Frost mages may use Ice Block to break fear once.
* Paladin — Paladins may use Divine Shield to break fear once.
* Priest — Draenei and dwarf priests can use Fear Ward, which absorbs one 'charge' of Fear.
* Shaman — Shamans may use Tremor Totem which can dispel fear or use Grounding Totem which can absorb fear.
* Warlock — Warlocks with Felhunter may use Devour Magic to dispel fear on themselves.
* Warrior — Warriors can break fear when in Berserker Stance with Berserker Rage and Recklessness. Fury Warrior can break fear with Death Wish in any stance.

Other Notes

* Paladins and Priests may dispelled fear on their team-mates.
* A high shadow resistance can also stop fear, or cause it to break early.
* Taking damage increases the chance fear would break early.
* As of 2.0, all crowd control effects (with the exception of Sap) have a chance each second to break earlier, and their duration is capped at 12 seconds. The chance increases with resistances and the level difference between the target and the caster.

Diminishing returns:

- Fear and seduce both count toward diminishing returns. We get a maximum of three total. In PvP, the maximum time fear/seduce can last is as follows:

First fear/seduce can last up to 12 seconds.
Second fear/seduce can last up to 6 seconds.
Third fear/seduce can last up to 3 seconds.

- After one seduce, this leaves a possible combination of two fears, one fear and a seduce or two more seduces; each can last for half of the time of the previous fear/seduce -- most of the time they don't.

- Fear is a 1.5 second cast without interrupts. With melee interrupts, it can take upwards of 5 seconds to get off, if we get it off at all. Seduce is a 1.5 second cast and is channelled. If the succubus gets hit, seduce stops.

- fear and seduce can both be resisted and this counts towards diminishing returns. Deathcoil can be resisted as well.

Fear is also the Most Nerfed single ability or spell:

Patch 1.2 12/18/04

Fear: Players now have an increasing chance to break free of the effect, such that it is unlikely the effect will last more than 15 seconds. (nerf)

Patch 1.31 3/22/05

Fear - Mana cost changed to a percentage of base, which results in an increase in cost. (nerf)

Patch 1.41 5/5/05

Seduction (Succubus) - Is now considered a Fear effect for purposes of diminishing returns. (nerf)

Patch 1.50 6/7/05

Warriors: Deathwish - Is now usable while under a Fear effect, and will also remove an existing Fear effect. (nerf)

Patch 1.70 9/22/05

Fear will now cause creatures to flee immediately, even if they are already moving. (PvE fix)

Fixed a bug where Fear and Curse of Recklessness, when used together, would prevent targets from casting spells. (PvE bug fix)

Druids: Druids should now be able to shapeshift back into caster form while Feared. (nerf)

Patch 1.80 10/10/05

Pets no longer break off attacks when their target is affected by Warlock Fear. (not much of a change really, but it can aid fear in breaking sooner).

Death Coil - Cooldown reduced, mana cost increased, and now causes a short Fear effect that is not diminished. (DC buff - 3 second horror effect, 2 minute cooldown)

Patch 1.10 3/28/06

Death Coil - The horrify component no longer affects undead creatures (they've seen it all before. (PvE nerf)

Patch 1.11 6/19/06

Fear: The calculations to determine if Fear effects should break due to receiving damage have been changed. The old calculation used the base damage of the ability. The new calculation uses the final amount of damage dealt, after all modifiers. In addition, the chance for a damage over time spell to break Fear is now significantly lower. Note that Fear continues to be roughly three times as likely to break on player targets as on non-player targets. (nerf)

Patch 1.12 8/22/06

Howl of Terror: This spell now uses the same resistance checks as the Warlock spell Fear. (nerf)

- In addition, fear and seduce both have "heartbeat" resists and can break at any time, whether damage has been applied or not. In PvP, all CC's have a maximum time of 12 seconds. (nerf)

I think all of us Warlocks can agree that it does pay off in knowing how to fight without spamming Fear in pvp.

However, what pisses me off is that in duels we warlocks have no diminishing returns on our Fear effects. I know this cause I've already tested it out. Fear'ed my mage friend 5 times with each Fear lasting 20 seconds.

Although it's our main defense, we should practice fighting without it.

well, i am a druid and locks are  the most annoying to pvp against. We can't shapeshift out of fear, and going back to caster form is just reducing our armor and still running around, not being able to heal. and if i do manage to get some hots off locks do way more damage then they heal.
only way i can ever win is if i get my trees off. but then they get feared to, while your pet is still hitting me. taking off curses in boomkin form is nice but most of your dots are magic. well that is my rant, feel free to explain to me how balance druids should always kill locks :)

It has become more difficult for druids to kill locks lately. Probably one of the only ways a druid can kill a lock now is to get a pounce in (cat form) and stun us to start with.  Or a feral charge in bear form. 

yea, i usually start with pounce, trees, moonfire, insect swarm, then get feared. If the lock is good i will never get out of fear, even with barkskin to reduce some damage (can cast while feared), if i can get some hots off and another MF and IS the fight might go my way but that is pretty unlikely.

fear aint that overpowered
as a warrior, you have 2 abilities that causes you to be immune to fear: Berserker rage(10sec duration, 30sec CD) and Recklessness(15sec duration, 30min CD).
being an arms-based warrior, the recklessness gains additional 6 sec duration and 10 min reduced cooldown. you can also get deathwish, wich has a duration of 30 sec and only 3 min cooldown.
all in all, fearing a warrior in the higher levels will become a very difficult task

Which is why nobody does it.

Well, what I mean is that nobody does it to smart warriors who keybind their skills.

And who can pummel.

i just use death call, dont need fear death call dots and life tap and of course my felguard, and very rarley lose. i have built my stamina up big time.  In my thiking fear does no damage and as long as my pet, which is the best dot and my dots on target , i just life drain until dead uless instant sb is avail then a quick blast of that is a nice knockout blow.
    I do not however have a problem with warlocks who do its no different than stunnlock for rgs and I challange any rg that if they dont stun i wont fear i will dominate at all times.

if we have fear deleted then blizneeds to make a new fear to do that they need to take off cooldown on death coil now no class will be able to get within 30 yards of use because you rapidly take damage we rapidly heal ourselfs and horror keeps on working feel free to make that a deal i want to start soloing outland dungons near my lv o ya and in pvp rgs will will we had fear (mwa ha ha ha ha) you didnt just hear that

if we have fear deleted then blizneeds to make a new fear to do that they need to take off cooldown on death coil now no class will be able to get within 30 yards of use because you rapidly take damage we rapidly heal ourselfs and horror keeps on working feel free to make that a deal i want to start soloing outland dungons near my lv o ya and in pvp rgs will will we had fear (mwa ha ha ha ha) you didnt just hear that

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