Alot of people say shammys are overpowered BUT REALLY ARE THEY?
IF so how? And hunters and warlockz arent overpowered????

even before 70 we are underpower, if we kill the rest we are just smart =P

but c'mon, totems that have 5 of health (even a lvl 1 can destroy a lvl 70 totem ) and we depend on totems alot, by the way, we are "healers" but every other healer class can cast heals faster than us T_T  ...and c'mon what's up Blizzard with that pallys bubble and them wearing plate?

Yeah, we are screwed, only thing you can do as a Shammy is being smart.

hear hear...
playing shams imo is prolly the BEST thing about the class...
takes a LOT of skill and tbh, face it, we develop ingenious ways to pwn the oppositions' face and AFTER all that they say we are OP?
if we are OP...its only because we are a MUCH smarter class as orcwyvern said

for the horde!!!!

if we are overpowered then pallys are like gods geis we just get some good stuff I only play pally because I am smart and I can do all the stuff like pull and I also can heal see im not high yet but I still can do it.

also hunters I lovem but they are over powered too and what about worlocks they put like 10 curses on you and they get a huge guy at like 68

I do play pally but I ment SHAMMY

You only play pally because your smart?

honestly it dosent take alot of sense to play, and palas are probably the easiest class to play anyway. :p

no shamens are overpowerd i just takes stratige to seem like it yes it sucks that our totems have 5 hp but the totems support and the enemy will be goinafter u while they help us and we are the only attack/healr/supportr/revier in the game so shamens count your blessings


ps:the allince is goin DOWN

Warlocks will put on average 3 DOTs on the target in pvp and if you think that's OP then you have issues with them as they aren't OP. They don't have time to cast an Immolate most of the time cause that leaves them there as an open target. They would rather use that for Shadow Bolt and nuke for 2-4 times as much damage for about the same mana and cast time.

Shamans aren't OP. I plan on rolling a Shaman alt and I think the class is extremely interesting. I've looked at the talents, the skills, and what kind of items they can use. Looks like a challenge -- I love challenges.

Don't hate people that play underpowered classes just cause they can wreck your face in pvp. Cause that just means you're being a cry baby about losing. Take the loss and learn from it. I've been trying to do that with my Warlock against hunters, rogues, and druids.

lol...
totems versus blessings...the eternal question is it not?
one blessings are mobile while totems are well, fixed...
two, u can destroy totems easily, blessings are no go...
three, u can purge blessings not totems...
four, then the mana efficiency and the power of one versus the other...
lol blizz had a LOT of trouble balancing one against the other bfore TBC
i still say totems need to ahve more HP lol which scales with lvl of course

pointblank.... shammys are op pve and sometimes pvp when they crit like 3-5k with chain lightning


but shammys are not OP druids are

Ok, I'll re-word what I said.

Don't hate people that play certain classes correctly just cause they can wreck your face in pvp. Cause that just means you're being a cry baby about losing. Take the loss and learn from it.

i love the overpowerdness of shammans , with duel wield your unstoppable!! i love it and the kiting is awsome, ive yet to beat  monsters ten levels higher than me(before 70) and letes in the orange on any other class...maybe hunter...

shamans arent overpowering in pvp, but in pve they are great and fun to play.they are great in instances because they can cast, dps back up tank or heal and drop totems as well as summon two elementals when things get ugly.

about pally vs shaman.
i really don't know why blizzard says they are each other's counter part.
1st of all i will NEVER understand why pally has plate(that leaves warr with no advantage);anyway it is true that pally is a very easy class to play with but shaman is not as hard as a good druid either. It's easy either u win fast with a shammy or die really fast. AS for healing omg, the only really good thing about resto shamans is earth shield, that's it, all his heals are kinda crappy can't compare to neither priest, pally or druid.
The enh shammies are good against casters imo, they do hit hard.  (but against a plate wearer not so much)
The elem shamans (like myself) have ok dmg (especially with the lightening overload), BUT if u get spotted (and being a tauren makes that very easy:D) u WILL die fast.(+u dont really have anything to brake ccs or slows, except ofc for trinkets and stuff like that)
Bottom line if u are better than ure opponent u will win in pvp.
In pve all classes are v god imo, unless ofc u don't mess up really bad/ u're a moron

Ummmm... so, what you're saying is that warlocks are not overpowered because sometimes they have to use a spell with cast time?  LOL, that's a joke.  locks have all the time in the world to cast, with pets, fear, and the best of all - death coil.  Play a mage for a while, then complain about having to be clever to get off a spell

I've run raids quite a few times now while staring at dps meters, and i can say shamans are good but not overpowerd. Yes, as enh i do usually beat rogues for damage, but that is only because i've been with some nooby-ish rogues, and because i'm experienced. Its all about playing your class properly.

I just like bein emh shamman because any melee dps absolutely love your buffs, especially WF.  :D

My 49 shammy is not twink but good geared.. i pown twinks with moongouse with my mace from ulda:) high max dmg. even though i got 2 blue 49 1h weps i use a lvl 40 blue 2h mace.. crits are much higher<33

I will add this,

I dont know if Shammys are OP, if you are smarter or what ever.
I play a lvl 69 (almost) Shockadin.

And the only real adversary worth killing and that makes me feel good about defeating him is the Shammys.

As i said, i dont know if is Resourcefulness, OP or what, but killing a shaman is very hard, even if playing with a Retribution paladin.

If you dont beliveme go check the Paladin VS Shaman topic in the general section of paladins.

The only good adversary I have ever met in BG is the shaman. the rest of them I eat them for supper.

The Light Guides me!

and to Iaden, whose advice i followed and read the pally general forums...
ok, u guys got a few good points in there which will really annoy shammies, but the only one MAJOR annoying thing is that god-damned bubble and lay on hands...
its like fighting the pally 3 times over...
sheesh, i mean ok enhc has a MUCH better mana efficiency than ele...but still they're not exactly endless pools...
the best thing in a duel IN A BG would be to smash the pally silly REALLY REALLY fast (meaning u silently keep praying WF procs like 3 times in succession and u crit every 2-3 shots)...then when he panicks and bubs, run around, dropping totems, dont let that effer get to u...study the duration of his bub and when he's out, i find a nice annoying thing is to kite him for a bit...EB, LB, FS and get down to around 20-30% mana
activate rage then go berserk again (meaning start praying again) and hopefully u get him REAL down QUICK again...meaning he's gonna lay on hands...
after this, no looking back, u'll have to keep on hitting, regening mana on the go and hopefully he falls...
else u at least would have him at considerably low health by the time ur down...meaning u res AS SOON AS U FALL...(dont let him get the insignia) and SS, ES immeadiately...
if this doesn work...
NEVER FIGHT a pally ALONE...
simple thing...
u got a hunter, kite him to death, mage ROFL he's gonna be crying...lock, CC and DoT, rog stun lock...
easy enuf for every1 coz they've got the CC and loss of char control mods...
we dont...so keep that in mind foremost...

i'm shammy

but i hit on level 60 5k dammage

and 70 6.5k dammage??

what not overpowerd????

shamy are the best (H)

Stop complaining, if you really think shammies are OP. Shamans have DECENT damage normally, it seems great but compare the dps to a rogue or cat druid, and you realise it's not that wonderful. Second, our buffs are stuck in place. Third, major nerfage despite the fact shamans aren't that great in the first place. Fourth, Ghost wolf is the only travel thingy we get that can be used practically. hell, Pallys get free mounts and talents and auras that make them slightly slower than an epic mount at level 40 with no cost. Druids get flight forms, and aquatic forms. Warlocks get a COMPLETELY unnescesarry free mount at 40 also. They don't even have the damn "Our armor and weps are so expensive" excuse, because they use their pets and fear to tank and their spells are pretty non dependent on gear or weps, they would pwn if they were naked. We have NO way to get out of stuns or fear naturally. In the end, shamans could probly use a MAJOR BOOST in their power, not more nerfage like we're getting in the next patch. Seriously, I'm thinking of going and rerolling a Warlock.

exactly...
ppl screaming that WF is OP and shit like that should prolly look at the many MANY things that our class lacks like CC for instance...
pallies have PLATE!
locks...ok CC gods
magii have their novas and yada yada...sheep...
rogs got gouge, blind bleh...
hunters...not even TALKING about it...OP is NOT the word
warriors, PLATE...
priests...pyschic scream and well, very efficient healing

so, taht leaves us with WHAT impairing attacks?
none...
so once a while when we 1 shot a squishy and he's not seen us sneak him, they go wild and start screaming for a nerf...
honestly...the ONE thing blizz NEEDS to do is to get a guy on their dev team to PLAY an effin sham and then re struct all the spells and thingies...
we're the MOST mana inefficient class...an ele sham can drop a guy in 5 secs...but what after that?
enhc mellee cant COMPARE up with feral droods and fury warriors...
ok, i like resto healers coz they're sweet...(tho im not one)
so, overall??
jack of all trades, master of none...

so NO way we are OP!

I am a 70 Elemental Shaman....No way is there a single OPed class....there is no one class that trumps every other class.  Its the Player behind the Key board that makes that certain type of Class good at anything it is doing.  I love the people who get PWND in PvP by a class cause face it there still Nubs and start crying NERF NERF your OPed.....face it...when a person has some high powered Epics for there class and 40-80 days of ingame play time on there toon no matter what class they should be pretty good at it...most likely people are running across a shaman wearing season 3 arena gear and they are still in blues and they get 2-3 shotted by a (Insert random class) and you cry about it...here is your answer....


LEARN TO PLAY......seems easy enough.

Again there is no Over Powered class period...its all based on skill, talent points for the right situation, gear, and alittle luck.  Thats it....Blizzard balances the classes for a reason.

shams do pwn most classes esp spellcasters i play lvl 70 enhan sham and tbh i own with the right gear

to kill a warlock, just use earthshock while they are casting a spell, and as for the pet, move around alot. when you are between the pet and the warlock, cast earthshock on warlock, earthbind totem to stop pet, and smash the warlocks skull with your mace. =)

There are a lot of opinions about overpowered shamans and under powered shamans. but here is the truth. the rumors only go around cause we are one of the only 2 classes that destroy some certain classes, and get destroyed by other classes. here is the list of classes and how strong we are against them.
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Shamans vs:
Hunters; hard to kill.
Druids; moderate to kill, (easy when they are not a bear or cat.)
Mages; slightly easier than moderate.
Paladins; moderate
priests; moderate
rogues; very difficult
warlocks; easy
warriors; slightly easier than moderate
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These are the difficulties by fairly good players at this game.
Trust me, they are accurate.

To kill a warlock, well I really don't know how.

You think you can catch me and smash my face in? Almost all PvP Warlocks have curse of exhaustion and a felhound (that can devour frost shock off). In PvP, the only casted spells are fear, UA, Immolate, MAYBE shadowbolt, so you don't have much of a chance to silence me(and even then its only 2 seconds).

Your best hope is to nuke me to death. Spell lock is on a 26 second cooldown, and *only* locks you down for 8 seconds max (I think), and thats while casting.

Just face it, Shaman are the worst PvP class right now. Anyone who can kite will tell you that. EVEN A MAGE, so don't use that as an excuse to say 'WARLOCKS ARE OPPPEEDD!'

EDIT: Oh, you could try and ghost-wolf to chase up, maybe that will work.

I dont think that shammys are overpowered. Theyre just really funny to play with. If you are a skilled player, it shouldnt be a problem to beat other classes (I still cant kill that damn hunter).

Mage: I think theyre the easiest enemy to kill.
Priest: Not as easy as mage but still.. That earthshock is a really strong spell.
Warlock: Too bad if he succeeds with fear, and deals massive dmg with those DoTs.
Druid: Still quite easy kill for Enh shammy. Just dont let him heal and kill him with WF..
Paladin: This is the hardest kill I think. Most of them dont deal very high amount of dmg, but those battles take too long cause of their bubble. Stay far enough.
Warrior: Quite easy. Just dont let them get to you.
Hunter: Well.. This is very hard.. Im still trying different strategies, but the best is to get near him and beat him.
Rogue: With those stuns its best to run away and just slow him with grounding etc :)

MEOW!!!!!

lol
ok, shaman, arent all that bad at PvP...
ok, to the lock who was commenting about the shaman thing in PvP next time, try our ele tree shaman and he'll drop u in 5 secs bfore u can say 'mommy'
and as for enhc, ok, agreed he'll get owned by CC and DoTs but u never have had a enhc sham SNEAK u have u?
as in when ur fighting someone and whether or not ur veing hit back, IF that sham hits u bfore u see it, my god ur gonna howl...
trust me, its this thing about not being able to cc or silence taht puts the sham at a disadvantage...
if he hits u with a BIG dirty 2hander, SS and ES, and WF procs (which it mostly will) and crits (a decent sham would have a 25% chance), he'll 1 shot u...
so, its not like any class is unblanaced, only that a few squeakers couldn handle the sham bfore his nerf, blizz got cold pants and over nerfed the sham...given that the shams get back their original powers in the patches, the OP, NERF! guys dont cry again, he's gonna be VERY formiddable...
locks are a pain ONLY due to CC. if u get the trinket and drop grounding, they are meat.
but a worthy adversary nonetheless
i find hunters MUCH harder...+

I just got grounding totems, and between that and my earthshock I pwn casters. At level 32 I almost beat a level 44 mage. If he didn't arcane explosion spam at the end I woulda won, but I got him to just under quarter health anyway :D

ok, i started reading this thread then couldnt contain myself any longer. warlocks, shammys, n hunters r NOT, i repeat, r NOT overpowered. because u tend to lose to them doesnt make them all powerful. when i first started my mage, i thought warlocks n hunters were OP just like the rest of u. then one day, something magical happened: i learned to play my class better.

for those who say locs put 10 dots on u then run....have u ever actually fought a loc or just heard stories?  a loc is unable to put on more than 3 curses on 1 target, and the ones he does put on r easily dispelable. and another thing, a warloc cant spam fear because u get immune to it after the 3-4 time. death coil isnt that big a deal. sure its instant, but it lasts a very short time. and to be honest, y r u doin pvp if u dont have the damn pvp trinket? try usin it, see how well the warlock does if u break his fear. anyway, a well placed counterspell cant end the warlocks casting for 8 seconds.

hunters r seen as OP because of the auto shoot button, the ability to purge ur buffs, n that damn red beast thingy (i donno what its called but u know what i mean). generaly, hunters give most classes a good fight n they r beatable IF you know how to play YOUR class right. im not gonna go into my hunter strategy here because im sure someone will get pissed n start flamin.

but back to shammys. enhance shamans r NOT the gods of pvp that most make them out to be. y? because unlike other shammys, enhance HAS to come in close to fight u, making them far easier to kite than elemental shammys. by kiting them away from their totems, u take them out of the picture. but honestly, blizz designed each class to be strong against some n weak against others to keep from ANYONE being OP. u think warloc r OP, well, they find rogues to be OP.

learn ur class n u may find urself one day bein addressed as OP. that is all

Purge, purge, purge

Win?

not necessarily...
its more like purge purge purge, smash him into the ground
then win :P

Okay shamans are op... wait no cc? Still op? shamans have some totems they dont even need or use, and ghost wolf form... uhhhh last timei really needed that was when i was 30-39 and only time i really use it now is in eots to get the flag. Shamans arnt op but arnt perfect like druids, blizzard should think hard before they do anything else to shamans, and no nerf. Shamans only have 3 main spells they really use in pvp lb/chainlight/shocks (shocks share same cd) besides from the totems and dispel and heals shamans use thats the only thing they use in pvp to do decent dps, and if ur a ehnancement shaman its not that hard to kite them even if shamans do have fs and earth bind, and no cc...no cc wtf o well

Shaman ARE NOT OP! I know its easy to own stuff in PvE as it is for all classes...but in PvP shaman get owned and it sucks. Blizzard's most hated class clearly.

Shamans aren't overpowered. They would be if totems were mobile or unattackable.

Elemental-good at range combat, but have trouble with few mages, fury+arms warriors,rogues, cat druid,BM and Mark hunters,and enhance shamans(some know how to kill em)

Enhance-good at close combat and do great damage with windfury, but have trouble with ret pallys(pretty much balanced), few mages(not fire), hunters, arms+fury warriors, disi priest(the mana burn), sub rogues, demo warlocks

Resto-good at healing(obvious),cast ok and able to stay alive good, but have trouble with mages, rogues, hunters, som warriors, som warlocks, disi priest (the mana burn)

Overpowered, i think not. Im not really dissin shamans, i got one of my own, Hydralicz lv70 enhance shaman. They r a good class, only if u know how to play em. To me, the only classes that seems overpowered are Arcane mages with pyroblast and Ice mages wit counterspell-silence. Those r the only classes that poses a big threat to all other classes

Elemental is my thing, and if you're good at it you'll be awesome. If you suck, you'll suck. I mean, really, shaman power boils down to your skill. You may be the best mage in the world, and switch to a shaman and be lame. I, personally, can take down a hunter up to 5 levels higher than me if I get the first shot and he's unprepared (I love frost shock), and hell, if you want more proof that shamans need skill, I killed a level 39 draenei shaman at level 34, both starting at full health and mana, and I never even got past half health. As a hunter, you might not be the best at playing it, but you can still be good. As a shaman, your skill= your strength. Just the opinion and experiences of a humble noob, though. :D

Honestly, i think Blizz did a good job of balancing out the game, however I dont like that they had to screw shammies over in some areas just to make them as equal as they could

The reason ppl say shammies are OPd is because Windfury procs alot, when it shouldn't. 25% chance acts more like a 35-40% chance.

but I'm not saying they are, hear me out:

Melee shammies aint so OPd with windfury, as they're only swinging with 1 wep, they really DO have only a 25% chance for windfury to proc. Meanwhile, if you're dual wielding, you basically have a 50% chance of windfury proc'n. So, it seems like it procs more than it should, but thats cuz we're using 2 weps. Now, when it procs often for a 2h wielding shammy...THAT is crazy dmg and OPd, but can't be said to be OPd, cuz he/she just got lucky with the procs.

So, imho, they're not OPd, nor are they underpowered.

    "BUT if u get spotted (and being a tauren makes that very easy:D) u WILL die fast.(+u dont really have anything to brake ccs or slows, except ofc for trinkets and stuff like that)"

so true and as a enhancement shaman its pure death for me in pvp it seams im almost always the first to die cause ppl are just scared of shamys so the huntards and rouges team up and stun/aimed shot me (it aint unfair just gets frustratin to be killed so easy like that). shamans need plate or atleast hav  toughness get a boost from 10% to 30-35% cause at level 55 (and no im not stupid enough to go bg at level 55) i only hav 33% damage reduction with all blue gear and thats with the toughness talent we need this cause ur gona go up and mele obvoisly so we neeeed this to survive

no class is really OP, it depends a little on the items he/she ahs and alot on the players, skill and experience

ime a rogue as main and ive had some priests that piss take on damage kill me 4 seoconds easy and ive had some that didnt stand  a chance, same with mages,druids,shammys,paladins anything.

Hmmmmmm

I've been thinking and.... i don't think shamans are OP....
IMO, enchancement sucks ass for pvp. It relies absolutely too much on crits and WF procs (especially) and their shocks don't do for shit in enhance form.... Now.... iF we talk about Ele... that's another thing... An ele shaman who knows how to play will pwn up any classes face if played correctly. Well you gotta have the right gear and build of course, but its a mad-ass DPS uber machine WITH awesome heals(EVEN if ur ele) please ppl, think about why shammys didn't get a CC. Think about a 1k +Spell dmg elemental shaman.....suppose they get a CC like polymorph... Think about this: They CC target, trinket up, use Ele mastery and get a BOOM 3k+ crit, then use shock (another 2k), then instant cast (nature swiftness) and another 3-4k if crit. That's 9k right there in a matter of 2-3 seconds. (If all crits and ele shammys have crazy ass crit chance)The targets basically dead when he gets out of CC. It would be like having a POM-pyro mage IN MAIL WITH HEALING. That's why there's no CC. Even without it ELemental OWNS. Hope that helped :D

dude my shocks do over 1100 without crit. in 4 seconds i can get off 2 earthshock(2800 or more total if i crit, but i dont espect spells to crit) and atleast 2 mainhand and 2 offhand swings my dps per hand is over 200 without anybuffs. add buffs and if the guy is freaked by the lost of a chunk of his life and gets off a few hits of his own add the damage from my lightnign shield at about 500 crack and that ever annoying fire totem. so they are kinda far from sucking ass, but i wouldnt say they are overpowered. i like my chances against any non caster in the game whose gear doesnt make mine look like crap and as far as caster go its fear is rough and the instance speell damage of a mage is rough but wiht a few well timed earhtshocks and propre use of a ground totems i will let them know i was there win lose or draw. if you think the enhance shaman has adversity it pvp you are right, but if you think it sucks ass maybe you need to look in the mirror or hell just re spec as healer and guard flag or tail behind a descent dps class and do your lob so he can do his. if you roll alliance teamwork is probably what is lacking the most.


ps use trickets and and shat rage to start fights, also use terrain you are the most versitile fighter in the game or then the druid, but what he does is dictated by his form.