What do you think about this idea?

If a player kills a player who is more than 15 levels lower that player loses honor points, unless the lower level player attacked first or is grouped with other players that are higher level or is in a group with 4 or more players.

This is to encourage players to challenge themselves by attacking characters near their own level and to disuade high level players from camping in low level noob areas.

Also, this would bring the honor back to the game.  I am a lvl 70 Warlock and I see a lot of high level characters wasting time by ganking low level players.  Where is the pride and honor in that?  I understand that killing the other faction is part of the game, but who at level 70 brags about killing a level 40 player?  Too easy.  This is part of the reason that the game is broken into level zones.  Let me know what you think.

Could you maybe expand on your posts a little?
Saying 'no' and 'hehe' does not really tell me why you like or dislike the idea.

I'm a noob, but I believe that earlier versions of this existed.  It didn't work too well so Blizzard got rid of it.  Say you're running with one of your low lvl guildies and he gets attacked...you can't help defend?

Everyone has gotten ganked. Sometimes you're just trying to finish something and it sucks but you know what deal with it or transfer to a PvE server.  Just remember you'll be up there some day.

I am not saying you can not defend if attacked.  As I said in the original post, if you are in a group or if you are attacked, then you can freely defend yourself.

I do not mind getting ganked, happens to everyone.  What is annoying is when lvl 70 characters camp low level towns and just sit there all day.  My idea is to bring some honor back to the honor system.  Again, what is the point of killing level 30s when you are lvl 70?  No challenge in that. 

I understand what ur saying.  I'm lvl 65.  I was going to run some guildies through SM.  We were going to meet there and didn't have a party yet.  I noticed one of my guildies who is lvl 37 behind me.  We landed in SS together and I have a mount.  So I'm going down the road and pass a lvl 51 Horde warrior, just keep going.  I decided to turn around and follow him and sure enough he attacks my guildie lvl 37. Of course, I take him out. I know that this is just one example and in any argument you could come up with specific examples. 

I hate it also. Now as I'm closer to 70, I still can't beat a 70 but I don't get ganked as often, obviously.

I see what you are saying but your example is not affected by my idea.  You are lvl 65 and he was lvl 51, this is only a 14 level difference, so no honor lost.  Also, even if you had a bigger gap in levels, you could group with your guild members at any time and thus, if they are attacked, you can defend them free of worry.  You may have misread my idea.  Again, the general premise is to prevent high level camping in low level zones.  Not to prevent normal interaction in the world. 

I don't mind it so much.  Im a lvl 27 hunter, got jumped by a lvl 51 warrior 4 times yesterday.  didn't even put up a fight, just sat down everytime.  He decided to camp at my body.  I came back, he jumped.  UNTIL I came back and noticed that he was running in place not going anywhere, I lite him up sent in my bear and killed him after about 200 arrows, all the time he's just running in one spot.  GOD I LOVE GLICHES! :)  Of course i immediately turned around envoked chetah and hauled ass out of the neighborhood.  I wonder if he told his buddies he got his as handed to him by a lvl 27 hunter with a bear?  :)

keep in mind too, that in wartime Navy Seals don't spare the "regular" enemy soldiers/combatants.  they kill everybody.  that's what you do in war.

I am almost getting sick of repeating this but here goes:

I am not as focused on the killing in the normal course of playing, this is 'part of the game'.  If I am going somewhere and I happen upon a low level of the opposite faction I too kill them and go about my business. 

It is mostly the camping of low level areas by level 70 players that seems stupid and pointless, but still happens all the time.  The idea is to limit the level 70 player from sitting in the Barrens or Redridge and just waiting around to kill level 20 and 30 players.  If you are level 70 kill something worth while.  Unless you cant handle a challenge.

Also, in real combat, the Navy Seals still have a chance to be killed.  While in WoW, which is not real in case you have not noticed, a level 30 has NO chance to kill a level 70 unless a glitch like you described occurs.

i reckon its like dead stupid

where's the challenge? and what do they gain from it? absolutely nothing. and if they go round killing much lower levels then they must be bored on the game and should go play on neopets or they probably have no friends so doing that makes them happy.

if i saw an alliance dude attacking a lower level horde dude i would name and shame them cuz what are they gonna do? kill my character?? oh no how will i survive the torture and pain.

pwn someone your own level nobcheeses!

i was on my lowbie with someone else and this lv 6x hunter comes and kills us. i got pissed so i got on my mage and killed him. TO ALL U LOWBIE KILLERS, ya never know who has a lv 70 main that can pwn ur ass so dont go pwning lowbies.

just a note, ive done it before and i realised how pointless and dum it was so i stopped.

And i was trying to level my herbalism so i wasn't camping.

wish we could get ranks back../sigh i wanna be called a high warlord

Obviously if it was 'broken' they'd fix it.

Anyway, they're called PvP servers for a reason. If you think it's unfair, well tough luck. Go play on a PvE server. That's what they're there for.

Then....then.....then.........

Step 1 - Press 'select server'

Step 2 - Select 'PvE server'

Step 3 - 'Create New Character'

Step 4 - Pick 'Warlock' (you are a warlock, aren't you?)

Step 5 - Level to 70

Alternative method

Go on www.worldofwarcraft.com and transfer to PvE server

but if some lvl 70s decide to gank one place theres always another lvl 70 from the opposite side who will come along and kill him. it adds excitement to the game.
i personally have no problem killing any lvl 70. when a group of 4 horde (lvl 70) decided it was a good idea to raid sentinal hill (and kill my lowbie druid alt). myself and a mate logged our mains (rogue and frost mage) and ganked all 4 of them for about an hour till they realised there was no chance they could take us.
people who go to low areas to get gank lowbies will always end up getting ganked.
so to sum up my ramblings i think it should stay as it is because it adds a bit more excitment to the game.

I love the idea of being able to kill the other faction.
But I love it more when I am level 35 and I am fighting someone who is level 35.  An equal or close to equal fight is always 500% more fun and at least a challenge.

I have a high level 'main' and I prefer to kill or try to kill others within 3 or 4 levels of me, keeps it a challenge.

A lot of these posts make it sound like a lot of you are people who gank low level characters the way you all defend the system.  Makes me sad.  Have some self respect, kill someone your own level, or maybe you defend the ganking idea because you are not able to kill people your own level, also sad.  I just can not believe how hard people are defending the idea of being able to kill a level 30 player when you are level 70, why is this so important to you?  Oh well, life goes on.

its not sad though.. i encourage any lvl 70 horde to go try gank lowbies im sure there will be someone who has a lvl 70 character in a good guild who will then come along and gank the lvl 70. seriuosly reroll pve server or even go to a rp server cause you sound really emo.

I think emo is people who need to take out their 'issues' by going online and one shot killing lowbies.

All I am asking is that people toughen up and challenge themselves but it is becoming very obvious that will not happen

Insult me all you want, I am not the one ganking low level players because I can't handle people my own level.

Bumping for review.
As you can see, I got a little sad and annoyed by some responses.

I agree that the actual implementation of the idea could be difficult, but it was only the idea in general that I wished to discuss at first.

Blizzard could likely make a base system like player 1 kills player 2 and player 2 is more than X levels lower than player 1, then player 1 loses x honor.

When the idea gets into groups and number of players in the groups then the actual application becomes more difficult.

But hey, they created a monster awesome online game they could likely figure this out also, but lets just discuss the idea not the IT side of it or heads may explode.

I think that sadly the main idea "take Honor Points away on level difference" is not workable, for reasons already stated above. It is similar to try to devise a way to take Honor Points from, say, ninja looters.
It's just too complicated to set up an automatic system which is clever enough to sort out the different situations.

The fact is, this game is played by a lot of kids (and people whose mental age is still lagging). And kids still have to learn fully the advantages of co-operation and long time goals. This only comes by experience (I am talking real life too here), which is exactly what they don't have.

Dang mine posted before yours even though you were first.
Time warp again !

It was already implemented before BC, but they just removed it.

I think that most players that do this had it happen to them when they were lower lvls. I know when I was below 40 I got ganked all the time. (now lvl 60 fury warrior) Even if there was an honor system, I think some people would still do it just for the satisfaction of inflicting the same kind of "punishment" on low lvls as they recieved. I have never camped because I have set goals for my-self and none of them can be achieved by camping or just walking around killing lower levels. Even when I pass an alliance by (i'm horde) I wont mess with them unless they are attacking other horde. Just my thoughs.

What are you people talking about? actual honor? a challenge? its a GAME. Whenever im frusterated theres nothing better than owning a whole city for a good hour, killing lowbie after lowbie. There is absolutely no fairness in pvp. If i go to outlands to try and fight other level 70s, i always end up fighting 4 other 70s. Im on a server where horde outnumber alliance 3 to 1, so there is no 1v1, only 1v3. If im trying to do something in quel danas and some horde is constantly ganking me with the help of a healer and another dps, it pisses me off. Sometimes when im pissed at horde ganking in groups i go and pwn lowbies. I can handle people my own level fine, i cant handle 3. Dont think i wasn't ganked mercilessly too when i was a lowbie too. STV.. such horrible memories.. Most of the time i couldn't go 15 minutes without being killed. Once this lvl 70 horde killed me at the GY because i just spirit ressed from being ganked, he put a campfire on my corpse and sat there for 5 hours. I logged off and on, and he was still there, probably watching a movie or something. If anything, i deserve the right to kill lowbies, and if they pissed me off by killing a friend or killing my alt, i'll camp the shit out of them. If they bring in their main, more power to them. Smashing their best character is even more satisfying. However i dont purposfully camp a lowbie that hasn't done anything to me. Sometimes i level my mining or something and the same unlucky lowbies keeps happening upon me, so i kill him. So disallowing a 70 to screw with lowbies would proabbly never happen, because so many people enjoy it, and if you dont have a 70 yet just know that one day you'll be the one ganking.

I hate this idea.  One of the better parts of the game is getting a group of 70's together, and raiding a major city.  You shouldnt lose honor just cause a bunch of lowbies are in the way.  The game is set up so that at every level groupings there are at least two places where you can quest.  This means that, for example, if Tarren Mills is being raided, you can just zip over to the barrens for a bit and quest there instead.  No big whoop

Certain areas could always be excluded from the rule, such as Stormwind City, Ogrimmar, etc...

Well, well, well.

Can you see the contradictions in your own post?

and immediately after

So, you like doing it to other people, but you don't like it being done to yourself.
Is there a lesson there somewhere, I wonder ...

You like to kill lowbies because it gives you a feeling of being superior.
But you are not comparing apples with apples, are you ?

The fact is, you cannot compete at your own level, so you go and behave like a coward.
Why don't you go to a Primary School ? I bet you can show them 6 year olds how clever you are ...
Same situation.

Hey, can you listen ? It's the crowds NOT cheering you on.

P.S.: I do have 2 level 70s and a twink, and no, I don't do bullying.

Your contridicting yourself a bit there.. you say you have a twink and you dont 'bully'? Thats the purpose of a twink so..
 
  Anyway, i said that STV was horrible because i was camped, not ganked. I dont camp, unless they pissed me off first. I also said in my post that im fine with 1v1 pvp, if only it existed. A player of the oposite faction will NEVER attack me if hes alone. So, i get ganked and camped CONSTANTLY by 3+ players of my level. In stv, a 70 camped me for 5 hours, i was camped by groups of 70s at nessys, i was killed ~14 times on my way to BB. I was camped countless amounts of times for no reason at all in my journey from 1-70. When i was farming for my epic mount, i was killed AT LEAST (no exageration)500 times at ele plateau by groups of horde, NEVER one on one.  I said these things in my post because i want everyone to know that at least on my server, im not some weak little pussy who is an evil villain that, god forbid, ganks lowbies. I didnt contridict myself at all, and it almost seems like you didn't even read my entire post, or you'd know i brought up my STV days as a way to introduce the fact i'm deserving of my right to gank. And as i stated in my post, i NEVER camp anyone at all unless they pissed me off first.

/sigh
I think we've gone over this "argument" often enough, but I'll restate the same points:

1 - Anybody can create a twink, it's definitely easier than getting a level 70 with full S3 gear.

2 - Anybody can create a level 70 with full S3 gear, it just takes a lot of time.

Both possibilities are there. If you're saying that option 1 is bullying, surely you must say that option 2 is bullying too.
Would you like to have a level 70 ? Would you like it to be S3-geared ? I bet you do.
To me, a twink is a fun and ingenious way to get to "emulate" a full geared toon.

If I had an S3-geared level 70 (my 2 level 70s are S1-geared only, with a few Kara items) I would be very happy, but I would not camp, gank or otherwise abuse any lower levels.

When I am in WSG, I do not camp, I do not hit level 10s. I protect my own team. I attack the strongest opponents.

A twink is nothing without a team. Only yesterday, I was the only twink in one of the WSG battles. As I ran the flag, a priest was shielding/healing me, a hunter was delaying my pursuers, a frost mage likewise, a rogue sapping that pesky warlock.
In short, one of the best examples of team work I have had the luck to belong to.

So, as many people said before, it's not what you have, but what you do with it.

You logically attack the one with the least survivability in relation to their influence first (be it a twink, or not).

Does a twinked-out Roots have more of an effect than a non-twinked Roots? Only very slightly. Same with all snares/CCs.

Is a twink harder to kill thant a non-twink? Certainly, very much so.

Certainly, ignoring someone who can't slow/snare/CC you may work, but is there really anybody who can't do any of those?

As I stated in another post, it is not that I totally ignore level 10s. But I know that they would be an easy target for my other teams members, so I ignore them in favour of stronger opponents. Unless of course they interfere with the active running of the flag. Then they're fair game.

What I object to is actively seeking level 10s in the field just because they're easy targets.

Some games are so unbalanced, that all you do in the end is "semi-camp" in the area just below the other team's GY, waiting for them to come down. Again, I do not target level 10s. Once they all refuse to come down, it is time to call it a day and run the last flag.

Um, you shouldn't be actively targeting anybody unless they have the flag. What's the point?

Eh ? Are you serious ? I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. If you cannot see that, I wonder how you can successfully play WSG.

Maybe if you think its pointless to attack anything except the fc, WoW is getting way too old and boring for you and you should play something else. I made a twink so i can kill horde, when you view killing the opposing faction pointless, PvP ceases to be fun.

I agree with V, especially in BG.
Killing the opposing faction is the most fun part of BG.
Of course winning is a prime objective, but the mass battle is what provides the fun. 

The only point I want to emphasize is in BG it is most fun.
Outside of BG I still do not see a point in using my high level characters to gank low level characters.

To me, no fun killing something my VW can one shot, and that slows me down from questing.

i love the idea, it's just a shame that no one understands what the original post was about.  why are they telling you to go to a pve server for trying to defend some lowbies by having 70s lose honor for ganking them? everyone else is dumb, and your idea rox my sox

Fearyourazz
Madoran  (yeah i know, pve server... i hate it, want to re-roll horde pvp but my friends are like, "Wah!! no! i have a good guild here! wah!")