I got these last night and they are a decent upgrade from the blues i was wearing. I actually lose 50  heal from useing these. Im going to put the golden spell thread on them and hope for the best. I have to resocket some things to get my meta gem to work again. But all in all I like these better due to the  stam and the -15 seconds on divine favior from the set bonus.Oh and if you want to know how to get these... then you need to start raiding some more. They are your T4 pants that drop in gruuls lair. Fun, quick raid. Grab 25 of your decent geared friends and go NUKE hum. Just remember after growth 8 he starts to hit like a mac truck. On a side note... Shatter is a PAIN IN THE A**. Last night i died 3 times in one battle from that. Just lucky or UNlucky throws.