My server is moon gaurd and im a horde troll shaman so all the other people and blood elf paladins seriously there is way to many of them and i get dueled all the time by them but i win about half the time but i almost never loose in duels its only when i fight paladins??why is this??even though all they do is shield them selfs heal then stun nonstop...by the way im an enhancement shammy and i do massive damage

Can someone pls tel me why it is so hard to kill paladins??

I do not know about other spec's but I can beat my friend's pretty well equipped protection pally almost every time with my restoration shaman.  If they bubble to heal, take advantage and do the same.  Do not be a dope and keep hitting them while they are immune.  I usually frost shock him and keep out of range of physical attacks.  This may be difficult for an enchantment shaman though and your mileage may vary...

Protection pallies are not too hard to beat since they really dont do much damage.  Retribution pallies on the other hand are harder since they do a lot more melee dps.  As said previously keeping them at a distance is a major advantage since they cant really do much from a distance.  When they bubble (and of course they will) just stand there and heal yourself! What pally is going to stop healing to come over and interrupt you?  As a troll you also can berserk yourself to increase your dps which may help.  Just make sure you keep yourself above 20% health so they cant use Hammer of Wrath on you.  That's pretty much it, unless they blow Lay on Hands, which I have seen before -.-

Hmm I played a paladin and I dident really need bubble to own some1 in a duel.. as ret pal you just keep close.. stunning and the fight is over in a sec.
Though I also played a shaman, shamans just dont need to act like a warrior if they duel a pally or warrior cause they are stronger then you anyway.
As elemental I recomend to keep em as far away with frostshock and maybe frost weapon and spawn lightn bolts and use fire totems.

pally battles are amongst the hardest fights shams have based on their spec...
elemental or enhc is going to have a hard time but ele less coz well they'll fry their balls at range which is cool...
kite them out and woops they are effin frustrated, cant get to u, bubbled yada yada and ur still frying them at 1.8k dmg every now and then and balls to armor coz it doesn help against the spell dmg...
but enhc have a HARD time...only problem being well...too much armor and lotsa heals...
ok, it is POSSIBLE to beat him...just be well prepared...
ok,
1) NEVER drop ur totems around u in a neat little diamond...
spread them out, they have 30yds RANGE...
2) stuff like str of the earth and grace of air are GODSENDS...
that extra AP and crit rating is totally WOW
3) keep searing down to do that constant dmg no matter what. its the sweetest contributor to DoT
4) Healing stream and stuff help LOTS on long battles...that 12hp or so restored looks measly but dude, it all adds up
5) use Purge to the MAXIMUM benefit...keep ripping his seals and shit off bfore he hits u
6) WHEN he bubbles, run a GOOD distance...heal urself too and keep running around till it wears off...never stand around him like a dud and keep hitting him...thats only for BGs
7) WF is ur salvation...it can smash him to BITS in a couple of secs...pray that it procs often enough and lol when he sees him gone from 30% to 1% in 2 secs he cant lay his hands on anything or any crap heals...
8) when he tries healing normally, try interrupting using Earth Shock...that should keep him from healing for the next 2 secs too and at the same time stop tat heal
9) FIGHT a good duel...dont stand in front of him and hit run aorund and behind him and keep whapping away while he is busy trying to face u

10) just throw it all away and punch him in the face :P

lol, its cool if u lose...after all, its only a game!

enjoy it!
for the shaman, for the horde!!

Pally bubbles are tricky. Does anyone know if purge gets rid of it...cause if it does, you take there most potent defence out of the picture

I try as hard as i can to kite them and it usually works but then they get me with the stun then bubble, and we all know what happens after that but i figure the way to beat is to ghostwolf and run till bubble is up or till the burn their mana trying to get you but i have yet to be beat by a pally

nope pally bubbs cant be purged...
but they can be...err EATEN as in by the warlock's pet...

no they cant, the only we can lose our bubble is priest mass dispel or if a pally is stupid enough to right click the buff

lmao lmao lmao wow ur a fucking noob have u ever played as a shaman? cuz if u have u would know that the self res thing is not where the shamans strength come from... if a shaman uses that self rez thing fightin its either because 1) he is got some1 2 like 20% or something and he knows he can kill him 2) hes in a dungeon and hes guna res every1 else...


the self rez thing only gives us 20% hp and mana back unless we  put some points in the reincarnation thing but that only puts it up 2 like 40% and it has an hour cooldown unless u spec 2 make it 40mins...
i play a shaman and i have no touble with other classes but locks... and thats only if they rly know what their doing

really?
lol, ok coz many locks i have met and discussed the pally bubble frustration issue with just shrugged and were like i just get my puppy to eat it. and i was WoW thats cool, coz i mean thats effectively disabling ur most powerful defense...so err whatever...guess locks forum will clear this

ok i use the strength of and and grace of air but the only thing that makes paladins unbeatable to me now is the shield then stun then lay on hands then if it goes long enough another shield and im always hit by those stuns without those stuns ide easily tear them apart

spam purge it gets rid of there seals so the only attack the pally will be abble to do is auto attack works everytimefor me

i guess some good, RELEVANT gear makes sense...
i mean i went this weird gear build for a while...like a rogue...
my health was like only around 3k at 60 but i had like 28% critting and armor wasn too bad at around 2.8k...AP was close to 600ish-700ish if i remember right...
so, yea, well that kinda worked for a bit in BGs...for a while bfore the palleis noted wth i was doing, went and got twinked with T2 armor sets...and well, thats down the drain...
so then i went for a lil more stamina less agi build...
so that put me at clsoe to 800ish AP, 24% critting and 4.6k health...
now, that helped a bit coz my survivability had increased tremendously...
so, try living longer and it MAY help...
overall im stioll saying, fight an effin pally only when u got at least a lvl 51 backup (in a lvl 60 BG...AV)
but thats enuf actually...thats all the diff
hate them for all their goodness and crap healing and bubs...
any high lvl shams commenting on this problem?

note : No bloodlust at teh lower lvls...

People keep saying that the most effective way to beat a pally is to purge their seals. That's true, but if you rely on that too much then a ret pally will be major trouble, because all the ones I've known have taken Sanctified Seals, granting them un-purge-able seals. Not to mention they can hit you like a mac truck while you're stunned. And no ret pally worth his salt will let you heal while he's bubbled, let's not forgot they've got a 6 second sleep spell in addition to HoJ. Just throwing out tactics I've used as a pally against shamans.

wtf?
pallies can stop heals outside his fish tank??
i thought the loser was spose to just shut it and stay in his bubble!!! (and do whatever he wants with himself)

but i have actually seen some pallies attack when they are in that effin thing!
is it a talent?
and purge not only gets off the seals, but the blessing too, which is what we are after...

doesnt purge work on pally shield cus i know it works on priests shield(fun est and fastest fight ever for DW enhance shammy drop tremmor charge purge sheild pwn)...but baskly over throw them with dmg also if pally uses lay hand there dead pally with no mana=siting duck with somea armor...






((srry for any miss spells))

well, ok purge doesn work on pallies...so dont waste that 150 odd mana trying...
well, and the only problem after lay on hands is that:
1) he wont use lay on hands until he's like down to about 10% mana...(or if u hit him SO hard that u got him down to 5% in a couple of shots and his shields are on CD)
2) he prolly would have been hitting u all along and well, u ahve taken dmg
3) shams are not exactly the most mana efficient class, so ur pretty low on mana after thwacking him so much anyways
4) that armor piece that he is, it hits back unfortunately...
5) his armor is WAY more than urs, so ur gonna have to thwack a lot more to bring him down to 0 all over again...
6) mana regens over time...which means he's going to get a couple of seals and judgements down on u anyway...

so, u see lol, its hard

ok, to beat a paladin as a resto shaman is rediculously easy. the word of the day is KITE!!!!! all you need is your eshield up, throw down searing, mana spring, earthbind, and wrath of air and frost shock kite the mofo. keep him purged for the whole time so he has no judgements. when you are running low on mana switch to water shield and continue kiting. With sufficient intel and spirit, you might not even need to pop the water shield. From personal experience, I can honestly say that if you lose to a paladin, you don't deserve to play resto shaman.

Also, i suggest you create a macro for NS+chain lightning. throwing down a shock+chain lightning in the same second is rediculous burst dps can could surprise and ultimately screw over a paladin. As a resto shaman, you spell dmg should be at least half decent. Ive heard a lot of times don't get any points into elemental as a resto shaman but that is totally wrong. If you expect to duel, bg, and arena, u will NEED reverb to kite and ensure that you do not get caught in their massive dps

You don't want spirit. Spirit is crap for shamans. You want MP5 gear. That's where it's at.

Any anyway. Pallies are one of the most bitch classes to beat. But there are ways to do it.
1) Like alot of people have been saying, if he shields, take advantage of it. Resto's can throw down Mana Tide without fear of it getting smacked, Elems can GW up and get some range, and Enh can heal themselves.
2) Yes, purge is your friend against most pallies. The Ret ones are immune to it for the most part, so ignore it there. Resto shammies should FS kite with the occasional lightning bolt/chain lightning, Elem should pound away with as much burst damage as possible (The NS Elem spec helps here with an instant LB =P) and Enhancement shammies should actualy, instead of staying within range of their destruction, get a nice, fat 2h and smack them only occasionally...then run past them. Basically, kite them. Run in, smack, FS, run out. If you're feeling bold, use SS ES. Otherwise, have fun.
3) If he pops his lay on hands...he's screwing himself. Seriously, he drops pretty much all of his dps. This is where you pop -your- cooldowns...fire elemental, bloodlust, Ehancements get Shaman Rage...and slaughter them in seconds.

I'm not sure how well this will all work. But I hate pallies, and it seems to be how I kill them off.

~By the Earthmother's will, BEGONE!~

Wait for him to Bubble and hit hearth stone...you dont have to whine any more about fighting a pally he is now miles away from you.

Mana is key.

As a enhancement shaman I've found that in order 2 beat a pally u have 2 preserve ur mana. Dont try 2 take him down in a second, purge and keep hitting him, stormstrike and lightning/water shield are manaefficient, save the shocks.
Eventually he will bubble and heal up, u do the same.
After that go 2 town with him(but save Shamanistic Rage), if he uses lay hands use Shamanistic Rage. This might not be enough, and u loose. But then he has an hour cooldown on lay hands so u will beat him in the next duel :P

The principle is that u can out dps him, but u have to have answers to his defense skills. His bubble is your bubble, but that doesnt help much if u dont have mana 2 heal urself.

thats a technically sound answer...
if u can conserve ur mana to keep urself at 90% plus health and he's used his bubble and then lay on hands, u can kite him, heal up and go rage and knock him silly...coz the advantage of being an enhc shammy is ur gonna whack the other guy silly without using any mana while he is very mana dependent...
so yep, i like this advice but its bound to work only 62+
water shield ftw, but u gotta wait to get it :P
till then, pray for that 3 in a row WF proc+crit >.-

lol soz but whats "WF" ?

WF : Windfury...the mod that most enhc shams drop on their wep, giving it a 20% chance of granting u dmg worth of 2 extra attacks in tha same swing with an attack power bonus

ok im resto shammy but i almost never lose in a duel hunters rogues pallies whatever i frost shock kite earth sheild and searint totem my healing stream does about 115 a tick and i got 10k armor unbuffed my dps is crap but they blow there mana dpsing me usually and i consevre and kill lol and if they bubble lay of hand just pop fire elemental totem and then he dies lol if they use cool downs so should you my toughest opponent is a feral druid usually i get them only 50/50 and im full resto with only pve gear i dont like to pvp when fighting rogues i use poison cleansing and magma totems alot

I think the best thing is, if you're elemental like me; wait until you have them to about 1/4 health. Most pallies won't try to use a bubble or lay on hands until just after this point. Than, hit elemental mastery, chain lightning, and an earthshock or frostshock. If he's not dead by now there's a very good chance he'l bubble/ LoH on you, at which point you're kinda screwed into doing it the old fasioned way, which really sucks unless you're doing awesome melee damage, because you're now likely out/low on mana. But basically, kite him around until 1/4 health than tear into him fast enough that he can't respond. It's always worked for me, the only time a ret pally can beat me is when his bubble AND lay on hands CD is up, AND he uses them way too much. (Bubble at half health? what the hell?)

It's not that pallys are tough to beat as a shaman (I'm elemental) it's just annoying that we have to kill them twice :)

Just drop your earthbind totem, frostshock and have your way with them. You should be able to spike them hard enough that they don't think to bubble in time, but if they do, heal up while they heal, refresh ur totems, and get as far away as possible. Rinse and repeat. The only classes my shammy has trouble with are Hunters and Rogues :\

1. make sure WF and water sheild is up.

2. GW up to him and stormstrike/flame shock/earth shock like crazy (frost if he runs)

now you should be able to do more dmg then the pally, hes just gonna take a long time to kill, and you want the first move on him, or else it will stun and hurt)

3. When they reach low health they bubble, take this time to heal, re-buff water sheild if needed (should be doing this anyway through fight)and if you have to pop shamanistic rage.

4. the fight will pretty much start again, rinse and repeat until all he has is CD.

note: if you have to drop totems, id go for SoE, searing (magma if you got the mana), GoA and mana spring. if he hits hard replace SoE with stoneskin. :D

In my opinion Elemental Shamans has an easier time in killing pally due to pallys got hardly any range skills, kite (use frost shock and earthbind totem to make kiting easier XD) and spam lightning bolt lol but anyways if you have Elemental mastery and Natures Swiftness, cast both and do an instant Chain Lightning and hope for Lightning Overlord to proc XD

But Enhancment and Resotration can take down pallys so I'm not argueing which is the best :P

well at lvl 24 i killed 29 pally it not to hard kite them in circles then when they buble gost wolf and run around again while he heals by now if u elemental u should still have at least half mana and pally will have no mana so rince and repeat and he jst dies like little spackers.

Purge, /gg pally.

Divine Protection/Divine Shield: Un-Purgable.

Blessing of Protection: Purgable and doesn't prevent magical damage, either.

One of my favorite PvP moments was when some human pally BoPed himself at critical health, /loled at me, and then proceeded to heal himself. I /loled at his corpse.

I can't speak much to elemental vs. paladin, but for enhancement your best bet is to either waste the pally in the first few seconds, or drag the fight out for a while and let your opponent run out of mana, since you'll probably be much more mana efficient if you're 62+, especially if they're bruning up their mana re-Blessing and re-Sealing themselves everytime you Purge them.

And if you happen to be dueling one too stupid to kill your totems, well, you're set. A lot of people don't seem to realize that AoE doesn't affect them.

with my enh shammy i beat pallys all the time, patience is what will win u the fight espically if u r vers a prot or holy pally, lol @ ret pallies i own them most of their dmg comes in burst and that burst is when ur normally stunned if u trinket outta their stun asap they cant do as much dmg to u, and if u always keep totems down eg earthbind hes gna hav a hard time even hitting u esp since i use rank1 fs to keep them slowed, i normally only exhange blows with a pally when my ss is ready then justy keep them kited, lol some pallyes who r more onto it than others will destroy ur totems tho and ifthey keep doin that throw down a stoneclaw lol they will hit it in desperation to get rid of it and then they get stunned lol, i hav ppl asking me wtf shammies cant stun