Combat is amazing for lvling and PVE.(known from experience)

Subtlety is Amazing for PVP and quick opening damage. i start most fights w/ a 2000+crit courtesy of ambush and usually have the most kills thru-out Bgs now that i switched(known from experience)


WTF do you classify assassination as?


Katilair
58 UD Rogue
The Forgotten Coast

From my Experience Assassination is the best to solo with, however extended sap/blind range helps out (especially in raids).

Combat is really good in a group though. It really takes a mixture of all three talents to make a leet rouge.

Ok, I've been combat from 1.70 myself so I know it quite well, I've also been doing sub yeah rocks in pvp but dont bring it in raids otherwies u'll get run over.
Lately I've been mutilate (41/20/0) and I must say u get an awful lot of combo points to spend as u wish, meaning you will outdps many if not all if the arent far better geared than you.
Ofc this takes alot of training getting it right, give it a few weeks and get to know it, not by solo but in grps, heroics raids etc cause once u've got the hang of it u'll throw out massiv dps with S&D, envenom, rapture etc.
important note:make always sure u have poison on otherwise mutilate is quite useless - in addition u might have to shiv once in a while to get going

So, guys, is it better for me to mix between specs? or is it better to just stick to one of them? I want the most PvE & PvP spec possible. And if i should mix, please tell me how i shoiuld mix..betwen which specs?

Thank you

I am deep combat specc'd with daggers, and I love my build.  I am often at or near the top of dps charts.  Imp backstab, Ambush, and fast attack speeds from daggers will do more dmg then swords or /gasp Maces any day.  I want to know if a sword using rogue has ever done over 6k dmg in a single hit, as I can and do do with my Imp backstab.  Also, I put points into Combat Potency and Aggression, not to mention AR and Surprise attacks.  My build is 16/41/4, check out Kalarin of Firetree on the Armory and see the build for yourself. 

Fast attack speed means nothing when comparing Dps.In a longer fight daggers can catch up to the Dps of Swords.However the only time this happens is against Raid Bosses.For everything else PvP and Pve,Sword spec is better.Also in the case of a long raid boss fight the Dps will be so close between swords and Daggers that for all around,Sword spec is way better for Dps purposes!For non-Dps purposes it is what ever you have more fun with.

Whats better subtlety or assassination?

im currently lvl 65 and im sub with daggers and it seems to be working well im 7/0/49 and i was wondering if maybe 30/0/26 with swords would be a good idea or 25/0/31 with swords to lvl fast and kill multiple mobs in quests faster.Please Help!!!!!!(BTW i found that sub for me is easier to lvl with than combat)

Sub. easier to level with.I don't think so,somebody lied to you.Combat is for COMBAT,the higher your Dps the faster you kill stuff.High Dps builds are in Combat(41) then Assas.(20)in most cases.Besides you ever been leveling and pulled two Blade Flurry takes them down so quick its not funny,add Adrenalin Rush to this and you have two kills in a matter of seconds.Oh yeah BF and AR are both in Combat tree.

You just think it has more Dps for you.I'm not talking smack just saying that numbers never lie!The cooldowns are not very long,and if you need them for every battle,you need new gear and new weapons not a new spec.It is proven that sub. is not the fastest way to level,actually I would say its the slowest.Sub. is a PvP spec my friend,combat is for leveling fast,and the best way to go for raiding.

Sorry if you though i was lieing to you when i said combat is better for Lvling, thats just my experience.

But if you do combat would you be using daggers or swords?

if swords than u definetly want to do Improve sinister strike, Lightning reflexes, Improve slice and dice, improve kick, Deflection, percision, Riposte (constant attack, so put in near the front of your action bar), Duel wield and sword specialasion, Blade fury (also a main attack), Weapond expertize, aggresion (optional), Blade twisting (REALLY COOL!), Vitality, Nerves of steel, adrenilen rush, Suprise attacks

Combat Maces (20/41/0) is great for PvP, especially toe to toe with warriors.
Hemo AR Prep (0/31/30) is also still great for PvP and toe to toe with warriors.
Shadowstep/Poisons (20/0/41) is really the best for arena at the moment.
Mutilate/Sub (41/0/20) has some good burst, but is positional. Still good for PvP (only way to go with daggers).

Slabb

Well it seems to me you had your mind made up all along.I said for leveling purposes Combat is better,and it is.Daggers is a crit. spec.,you are going to get better crits.,but thats only WHEN you crit and the Dps of swords for LEVELING purposes is better.Dagger spec is funner to play for you then go daggers,it is a matter of what you prefer.However for LEVELING purposes Combat spec is the way to go hands down.Daggers make up the Dps of swords over a long fight because of their speed.But when LEVELING your fights never last that long.The white damage on a sword is very high as opposed to daggers which is very low,which means you need a very long battle to catch up to the loss of white damage on your daggers.Hope you can understand this,that is the best way to explain that I can think of.

Oh yeah mwt my comment for shiv.,you said you get it at 70.Yes my point exactly,most people level with swords or maces(Combat Spec)then switch back to daggers at lvl70 and respec to their playstyle.I was just stating that Sinister Strike is not meant to be used with Daggers because of the low white damage on daggers,its hard to rack up the combo points using daggers and NOT using SS and not having Shiv.

your right with the sinister strike,it just doesnt work in subs even with the energy reduction,its quite useless as sweeping strikes kinda helps with that with a sword,besides daggers is not made for spamming one thing,where as a combat sword flinger does way better to utalise the imp SinS,your right there jack,i actually do agree with you on tht one lol

the best sustained dps in pve is going to be a combat spec.....period. the best way to decide what wepaons to use is either whatver weapons drop for you, or pvp at lvl 70 and get whatever season1 weapons you want for leveling i used assassination for the cp generation and stunlock ability of mobs.  subt spec is going to be your best bet for pvp with shadowstep and cheat death...besides that just play the game and figure out what talent build suits you best and enjoy.

what about combining combat and sub? ive been doing that (only lvl 27) and its working well for me, ive been using a dagger in my main and a sword in my off hand but its hard finding good off handed swords...

If you have a dagger in your MH then you need to get one in your OH as well,and the fastest one you can find goes in your OH to trigger procs and poisons faster.Yes good swords are hard to come by when leveling,good way to help this problem is go to the AH often and look at the swords that are up to 7-10 levels higher than your current level buy the good ones and put them in your bank.Do this and you shouldnt have any problems.As far as mixing Combat and sub at level 27 is NOT a good idea pick one or the other (Combat is a must for leveling purposes)!

I'm A 66 Assassination/Combat Rogue in Ravenholdt Realm. From using my rogue trying to master the use of it i came up with this :

I use eviscerate a lot, PVP and PVE, one reason why i like this skill a bit better then envenom is because you can get the 5 combo points and use instant.

Usually if i'm going against 2-4 monsters here's what i do: get three combo points, use blade fury, ( so i can attack 2 people at a time ) get the remaining 2 combo points, then use "berserk, My trinket 'Bladefist's Breadth' evasion and cold blood. Then finish off with eviscerate u can hit your criticals against the 2 people you first were attacking and since your on evasion the other 2 wont be hitting you as much. Just finish them off and most cases you can survive with half hp left.


On talents i went 31 on assassination soon as im 70 ill have 30 on combat.  I stopped at vigor in assassination just because it gives you 10+ energy  and seal fate is very nice for them quick combo getters. The little Fight sequence above i usually can do if i get my combo points fast enough takes about 12 seconds from start to finish.

on combat it's really picky to choose carefully, i had to redo to get riposte which you get very often against melee players. im not sure if i still picked the right talents but ill end with agression and weapon expertise.

so my pick for combat and assassination mixture, i dont suck too bad in PVP's and PVE the monsters are tough in outlands but most cases i can solo.

P.S I recently fought my lvl 70 druid friend. 13k hp very tough to fight. 2 out of 7 times we fight i won could have won a third but he had 570 hp left.

uh ye u hit 900 with crits while me my swords hits 700 per hit crit or no crit.

yea i have some swords that are really bad in my opinion main hand has 51.9 DPS my main hand damage is 126.7 DPS i constantly hit 200+-800+ damage with just sinister strike

im sub :\ and i do raid.. yes its possible..

and im having a good time with it aswell, and i never got raped during a raid :O

maybe cuz i know my spec, then it doesnt matter what spec you are as long as you are good playing it.
(like me and sub, yeah.. sub can top dps in raids if your smart)

I have been pondering if I should roll a rogue and I think that I am gonna. I think that Combat would be best for me cuz I like to solo alot and I like doing battlegrounds I only do instances when I have a quest. Any suggestions on what I should do and only if you a.) are that spec b.) got slaughtered by one...

ahem if u realy like that go assassination combat is for instances and soloing

I am specced (20,41,0)like above poster said it is for raiding and soloing.I can tell you this tho,in BG I pwn the hell outta the other side.I usually top the list in Damage putout and rack up a very large amount of kills.Some of it is smarts you dont go running Gun'ho into 15 Alliance/Horde cause you are Combat specced.You are a Rogue you can choose your battles.Also Arena is a whole new world ,most Raiding Rogues that do Arena have to respec b4 each Arena session and after.This is usually to a spec that looks like this(20,0,41)!Arena chars. have top end gear in most cases,you cannot just walk into an arena and think you are gonna pwn a team in full S-3!They are geared differently and specced differently,so it is best to make 2 sets of armor for your Rogue one for PvE one for PvP.For BG tho stay with (20,41,0) and you will pwn if you are gemmed right I currently have 1800AP and a Hit Rating of 91%,hope this helps you decide.

sub is the best! its best for pvp and pve. im a lvl 64 rogue from lvl 1-50 i was combat and after that i switched to sub. When using combat after every fight it seems u have to stop banage up, but with sub i can kill 6-7 opponents in a row. Sub rogues have the best off assas and combat. Sub rogues use stealth very well ( unlike combat) and are good at close range when opponents doing melee dmg ( unlike assas). personally i would go combat till lvl 50 then after that go sub.