This is my 3rd Maxed lvl Hunter (2 lvl 60 pre expansion and my lvl 70 I have now) So I think it's safe to say I know my hunter pretty well and the specs. 
  First off, I want to give alittle credit to Blizz, for hooking up the specs pretty decently, especially since the expansion came out.  So thank you.
  Secondly, It's been a sore spot when hunters talk about whats a better spec, Marks or Beast Mastery?  This post is not to diss anyone that goes BM, MM, or Surv. but to discuss the choice I made after experimenting with all 3 and taking them in the feild.
  All 3 Hunters of mine that I have made have all leveled from 1 to 60 (and to 70) with marksman. Seeing how the Marks Spec is geared towards your ranged dps .. More DPS = The Faster you Kill your target.  Right?  Right!  This has been my experience through my years in this game. 
  The Current Spec I use, which I actually switched a few numbers around as of the recent is .. 0/45/16.
OMG .. No points in BM?  Your Crazy! 
From my experience Scatter Shot, Silencing shot, and Trueshot Aura are key!  Not to Mention Imp. Wing Clip and Deterence when it comes to those sneaky rogues or the 10 seconds you pull aggro off of the main tank and your feign death gets resisted. ;)(It happens *shrug*) If you are a geared out, those 3 seconds  I pop a silencing shot on you .. You are pretty much dead, if not close to it.  :) 
  I think what the problem is when it comes to BM specced hunters and MM specced, the arguement is BTW or TSA and all the preceeding talents before those.  I can only speak from my experience and this it the best spec I have come to use.  I used BM spec (which is a good spec to lvl at) but in the end .. the MM hunters out DPS the other specs by a lot.  Happy Hunting.  I expect to get some negative feedback, but don't think for a second, you will change my view on it!  :)

Sugz

i think ur one of the smartest hunters playin this game!!
i had posted my spec many times and plp have said that i was dum that i should have grabed some BM talents or more survival. but every time i got to respec i find myself goin back to the same stuf as b4. my spec right now is 0/34/27 

I knew this was going to happen, and I hate that you waisted your time to make an account to "tell me that I'm wrong" but you contradicted yourself in your little paragraph.  For example ..

And I quote ..

"Sure you do get bigger numbers as marks" - deathzsoul

(By Numbers .. I suppose you are meaning DPS? If not then please correct that for your argument to even be valid) But you are correct.  We do get better dps than BM hunters do. 

Yes, 20% attack speed is nice and "double pet damage" as well, but if you are honestly expecting your pet to live through a raid your going to be waisting alot of peoples time and your mana just to rez your pet that probably does more dmg than your actual hunter does anyways after every pull. 

I am a hunter that just became 70, and really interested in what your spec looks like... can you put up a link?

This is my Armory.  You can look at everything that has to do with my hunter.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Executus&n=Suga

Suga..I agree with the MM spec. I have been MM all the way to 70. I always am up to the top of the DPS tree. I to went far enough in to Survival to get Eagle Eye (no hunter should be without this).

The only negative of a MM hunter in a raid is threat but that is easily resolved with FD. :P 

Mate whats ur char name? i cant follow ur link for some reason so it might work if i just type in ur char name to armory.

My Name is .. Suga, and I play on the server Executus. 

Well said Suga. As a MM hunter, in my opinion a good one too, I would have to say MM does more dps than BM. Not only does it do more dps, but it benifits the entire raid as well. I've tried BM, your pet dies too often to be effective. Most end game bosses have aoe damage for all the melee hitting him, and your pet just can't take it. As a hunter, your goal is ranged dps, not melee, and not a pet, the pet seems to me an added bonus to help you level. I've been running end game dungeons for a while now and my pet dies on almost every boss, why would I want to max him out? I do more dps than my pet even if I am BM so why? And if you don't have improved traps in raids you're gonna die. My spec 0/46/15, top damage in a lot of raids, not even including my pets damage. Yea, 20% improved attack speed is nasty, probably the best talent you can get, but not worth spending points on the whole tree to get. I'd like to hear what BM specs have to say.

i am a BM hunter and i will give u guys right... as this is my first lvl 70 char i didnt knew which specc i should take so i asked ppl. The response were BM so i've trained BM so far but i have also got the idea 'Why should the pet get just as strong as the hunter?' and i dont know why it should.... so im on my way to change specc now so ty every1 for this little chat with u...

My hunter is only level 61 but I think MM is the way to go. I consistently rank near the top of BG in damage and honourable kills.

I think Hawk eye which extends your range. I am still doubtful whether I should have put points in Aspect of Hawk and when I hit 70 I may change that.

I should have filled up on Concussive Shots before for PVP and am adding it now so anyhow I agree withe Suga's comment - for PVP, in my experiance so far, MM is the way to go.

NOW SHOW ME WHERE THE HUMANS ARE AT SO I CAN KILL ME SOME!


That's my armoury link if anyone cares to take a look or wants to offer me some suggestions.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Terenas&n=Raathrol






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I've only recently started raiding and I admit that I haven't done it often and I don't profess to be an expert in anything on WoW. I did try both BM and MM specs before and to me as an average player I feel that most people in the end go to BM not really because it's the "ultimate best spec in every way shape and form come hell or high water personally blessed by the pope and the power of Zeus passed by congress and signed by the president" (despite what a lot of BM and raiders seem to say), but rather because it's a much more user friendly spec for certain play styles and perhaps for most people in general, especially for solo play since the pet can usually hold mob aggro better and take a little more of a pounding.

For my personal play style with MM I'm more of a multipurpose player. Initial CC, dps, and emergency middle of the fight CC. As a result, I've been told that I'm typically a better player than my gear. A lot of people do go straight BM, but the way a lot of hunter players are, going BM spec or any spec for that matter just isn't going to make up for a player's inability to function as part of a group and anticipate what the mobs and other players are going to do in mid fight and knowing what their own abilities are. Yeah, I certainly believe that about 95% of hunter players go BM, but 95% of hunter players aren't exceptional hunter players either. Quite a few hunter players wouldn't do well in any spec especially in MM. There's a reason why in some conversations, hunters are sometimes universally labeled as huntards.

I like BM in that I've found it to be a pretty simple straight forward spec to play in terms of playing the dps roll. On the other hand, CC can be a bit trickier to do in some respects such as in the case of casters without taking an extended break from doing dps. For MM, I find it to be an exceptional well rounded spec and can be a great asset, provided that the player knows their abilities well and has good think on their feet skills. It allows for a good mix of dps and CC in a single spec though not necessarily mastery of the two. Things like concussive shot, scatter shot, and silencing shot are certainly invaluable assets on the BG as well.

Im not saying 1 spec is better than others but a general mistake people make when comparing dps from meters in game is forgeting to add the dps from pets.This doesnt matter as much if your mm spec but spec as bm and then add the improved dps from pet it does make bm equal if not reasonable higher than mm

Alright everyone, listen. I am a somewhat seasoned raider. I have beem BM for all of my raiding career. I have been through all of kara, most of za, gruuls, majority of ssc, and 3/4 tk (I anticipate bt/hyjal some time after 2.4 :P. On top of this I have done extensive research on the class through guides, forums, and even speaking with some of the top hunters in the game. In equal t4/t5 level gear, a BM hunter who knows what he is doing and how to keep his pet alive will undoubtedly out dps a MM hunter. It is tested and proven. However, in t6 gear the dps tends to even out. Even so, BM provides a superior group buff (FI) to TSA and are generally more valuable to a raid than a MM hunter. AS for the SV spec, the personal DPS is terrible. The purpose for a SV hunter in a raid is EW, which is one incredible raid buff.

@ OP’s armory. You are terrible -.-. You gemmed AP over Agil and even used stam gems in PvE gear. It’s embarrassing.

@ All the un-experienced hunters trying to argue that MM is superior dps because it increases ranged damage, please learn to play the class and get some raids under your belt before you come shouting about what is superior dps.

PVP wise im great as BM, dont use as much mana as a MM and im always on top of table (close to) in pvp as BM or MM, but im sick of respeccing from pvp BM/MM to Raid SV. neone got tips on traping as a BM/MM?

OK i dont got as much ex as u all with this game but id like to put what i think in to the mix.
My hunter is a BM. I think it is the way to go while u r lving. Think about it, while u lv all ur pet needs to do is tank and with the moves u get with Bm it is easer to do, without it u can ocasionaly pull the target. Plus if u r fighting more than one person then there r 2 moves with BM that can easily pull the targets. So u can just sit back and shoot while ur pet tanks.
Of corse if u plan to PVP or when u hit 70 or high 60s where u PVP alot u got to switch to something els cus ur pet cant tank ppl. but im not that high yet so...

thats all very nice if ur not lvl 69 but when your doing kara and your team needs you to trap someone ur stuffed if the trap doesnt work.
SV traps are all good, neone else is mediocre and will prob need help.

in a dungeon traping is ez put in a raid where mofos break traps ez and 2 shot ur clothies its different

lol all i have to say is that im a CHANGED HUNTER!!!!!....i respeced to BM to try some arenas and c how it went and WOW..... i will NEVER BE MM AGAIN!!!!!!!....

i took out a mage and a lock witch where both at half health after my other 2 team memmbers died!!! i sent my pet on one and kept healin it, poped BR after the CD was up and killed both b4 it was up!!!...

so all i have to say realy is that if i where MM i would NOT have taken both out...i may have taken out the lock not lol NOT the mage

I would just like to say that in my experience BM are much better for pve and MM are better for PVP

as MM i was only able to push around 650-700 DPS during raids, while as a BM i easily push 850-900 dps.

There's a mod out there called quartz, if you're a BM, it is a must have. It shows you the time on your shot rotations, since steady shot is a 1.5 cast time, and your autoshot should be around 2.1 (2.7 shot speed on a ranged weapon is optimal). It allows you to get in both shots without clipping shot times.

The shot rotation as a BM is steady shot, auto shot, steady shot auto shot... with kill command every time it pops and arcane if you can fit it in without cutting your autoshot. If you are fighting lots of mobs (like the gauntlet in ZA) you can sometimes throw in multishot as well.

This is why a BM is strong in raids, you virtually have no dead time since the autoshot and steady shot over lap and your pet is strong and tough (for those of you that can't keep your pet alive during a whole raid, well...thats just sad).

MM is awesome for pvp tho, pets are almost useless except for distractions in PVP. The burst dps and crit numbers are wicked.

Well said, buff.

i have had a MM hunter for a while now, and i just hit 62 and my specs are different...13/38/2, i tried to do all i could to get extra health and armor for my pet, but still focusing on MM and dishing out large dps.  When hitting instances in Outlands, my pet can hold his own while i deal out high lvls of damage... he can stay alive longer with the 13 BM points i have distributed. So i dont have to rez him (as much).  A big thing about being whatever toon you are, BM, MM, SV, is your gear.  Making smart choices in gear selection is key to your toons effectiveness and survival, as well as just knowing how to play the damn role. My buddy is a BM tauren and started playing well after i did, and he has already hit 70, it helps to have a mini tank running with u all the time, but when it comes to damage, i deal out way...WAY more dps than he does, and hes lvl 70...its all in how u spec, what ure gear is, and how u play the toon. But personally i like having BM specs built up so my armor/health is better and my pet is actually worth a damn. Your hit rating is critical too...no matter what your class is.

I will give Credit to BM for PVP Arena, but thats about it. Period. 

Yea you are dumb they where right to tell you to grab BM talents...i don't care how many hunters that dude has had he is way off...go http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?552000005052110531051050520120500000 0000000000000000000000000000

spec it works way to well in pvp and in raids you tear up mobs/bosses...he may think he beats the BM hunters in dps but his damage meter is obviously BROKEN

who says our pets always die ????NOOB! spec pet for resistances!!oh, and we can heal our pet to so i lol at u...and yes MM gets bigger dmg in one hit then a BM hunt would but not by much and when our pet does twice as much aqs yours and we get 10-20 more shots in then you per. fight you just end up crying when you see us #1 on the meters!

Ok, i agree that the ppl should add in the pets...My damage meter does that. MM Hunters, do have more DPS than BM hunters. period. The only BM hunter i have found that EVEN COMES CLOSE, had much better gear and enchants than me. and it was a struggle for her to keep up. Pets are almost useless in end game raids. I recommend using MM and survival talents, your DPS will rock, and you can use survival trap talents, to help CC.

lol i dont know who most of u guys r playin w/ but i OWN in my guilds raids PERIOD! every1 in the runs have atleast pvp s1 and/or KA and ZA epics. and i come on top with atleast 3%  or more overall damage. and we run w/ a mage, lock, SV hunter, me BM hunter, DPS warrior, druid tank, pally tank, shammy healer, and pally healer. in our 10 mans

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I'd just like to say that any of the 3 specs are viable, you just know what the heck your doing, and its not always about dps.
A SV hunter can be out dps'd sure, but properly geared it can give other raid members massive dps (bout 270ap with mine buffed up)at all times.

A bm hunter, if smart, will keep pet alive and keep the 3% extra dmg buff up for group when pet critically strikes, in a long fight 3% is alot.

A MM hunter can throw out big hits and big dps.TSA and silencing shot are awesome.

I have personally raided with all 3 specs, each spec has its own talents and can provide for a group many different ways, so there is no best spec.

Yes I know I missed a lot of stuff but this is just an example.
(and 5 am so Idc for full detail)

Ok, I have been reading this thread and some posts just make me want to throw up.  Some people just cant be more wrong.  When it comes to raid dps, BM is superior with the pet added in.  And no, it is not hard at all to keep the pet alive since blizzard implemented avoidance.  Not only is BM better dps, but it is also more mana efficient, will a better group buff than MM.  The only thing I hate about being BM is having to refill my quiver all the time :/
And, also, BM is superior to marksmen and survival when it comes to duels and 2v2s.

I know many people aren't going to agree with me, but marksmanship is the way to go for 5v5s.  Improved stings, silencing shot, aimed shot(which most BM hunters will probably have too), scatter shot and improved concussive shot are all priceless when it comes to those 5v5s.  On top of that, you get great burst dps, which is obviously better for pvp than consistent dps.

Survival hunters are worse at dps than BM, and worse than MM at pvp, BUT one is a must-have in 25 man raids.  Expose weakness is one of the best raid buffs there is, especially if that survival hunter is stacked with agility. Not to mention there are a few good pvp talents in there as well.  And about the CC buffs in Survival, I think they are a waste of points.  Any hunter who knows how to trap well does not need to spend points into their traps in order to do it.  I have 0 points in that tree and still keep someone trapped the entire moroes fight and hex lord fight.  Not only that, but what use are traps in 25 mans?  Don't waste your points, spend them in dps.

just to have credibility:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Birdsong

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh134/Shoinzo/AB.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh134/Shoinzo/battlegroundpwnage.jpg

prove me wrong rather than just spitting out insults.  I mean, take a look at your own arena teams, take a look at your retarded spec with points wasted into traps.  No hunter needs to spend those points when they can easily trap without them. Resist? L2 kite till the CD is up again.

I'm sorry for choosing the spec that gives me the ability to deal the most possible damage, I guess that makes me a pussy or unskilled player.  What the fuck are you talking about, give me some proof that you top the damage meters, heres some for me:

http://wowwebstats.com/zckhm3qktpmye
http://wowwebstats.com/fkrzo2ctjv32q

I STRONGLY doubt that you beat BM hunters in raids with a spec like that, but I may be wrong; I cant prove that you don't.  And what's with all these insults? I came at you with a passive approach and you go off on me.  Your the one freaking out.  Maybe your on your period?

btw, I am at a 29.24 percent to crit unbuffed AS BM.  I hope your proud in having less crit chance than a BM hunter when your survival, attacking much slower, and having a weak pet.  In fact, last time I checked 27.99 isn't quit what you should call almost 30.  Aren't survival hunters supposed to have huge ass crit ratings?

Even if you did everything right (shot rotation, etc.), with that build I don't see how you could possibly out-dps me.

I would bet you all my gold I can beat you in dps.... without my pet.

Have been reading your thread, and i agree with you to 100%, tho one little thing i'm woundering about :P for PvP, shall i train Cobra Reflex to the pet?, mean, it's making less dps, but prevent casters from casting spells more, right?, not sure what do to :P, and about your specc it's nice, tho i would specc imp concussive shot instead of the 10% less mana, but that's only cuz i PvP quite much =), thx for great arguments for the BM specc, you made my specc ^^, tho would be greatful for some response on the Cobra Reflex issue :P , might be a quite small issue, but i would like to know =) Thx and bye.

Mace, With the BM spec I would go with cobra reflexes because it greatly increases the amount times he crits.  And of course, when he crits he gets more attack speed and buffs you and your group.  So because of that, I would say go with the cobra reflexes.

ok, to everyone who is flaming BM hunter....first of all, im not gunna stoop to yur level and flame you back, but....i was a MM hunter since i started playing nearly 3 yrs ago. MM is a great spec, then i tryed bm cause guilds kept denie'ing apps cause i was marks. I do quite a bit more dmg now as BM spec. For everyone who complains about hunters pets dieing.....its not that hard to mend pet and click follow to pull him outta fight till he is healed. If yur a retard then please go marks cause its easier to manage. But on the dmg meters for our raids the top 2 ppl (me and gunshin) r both BM specced hunters then it a lock then its Reinhelm (survival specced hunter) so all speccs r good, I feel that BM spec is dominant for dps though. also ferocious inspiration pwns specially when it stacks with other hunters as well. when i swapped spec from mm to BM my overall dps (when you mouse over dmg on char window) went up by nearly 20. And also NO hunters pets only do about 20% of a BM hunters dmg, its a huge improvement from the like 4% a mm hunters does but if your a good enuf hunter you can dish out enuf dmg yourself and manage a pet to maximize yur dmg then bm spec will dominate the othert 2. with all this said dont flame BM specced hunters until youve played 1 and raided as one yourself. nuff said

yo i just started a hunter and i want him to be pvp spec what is it Bm?

i agree w/ Chanon101, and overkil
if u realy know how to play ur hunter and not a noob that thinks he does then BM is the spec to be!...and im not sayin that b/c ive been bm from the start b/c i HAVENT!!! just like Chanon101 i too respeced from MM to BM...

my ap fell from ~2200 to ~ 1600 and my crit went from ~28% to ~23% but i still do ALOT more damage! and my range speed can be as low as 1.2 w/ RF on and imp hawk..and w/ heroism up i get under 1.00 ranged attack speed!! on my pet i have bite 9 claw 9 prowl and dash. i RIP ppl apart! 

I'm a MM hunter, but I prefer Survival spec. When it comes to pvp'ing(which i'll be honest, i mostly only do in halaa) i like Survival because i can pretty much stunlock rouge with all the chance to stun buffs in the survival tree. you're right that you don't need the extra points in improved traps, but i take it anyway just for the extra comfort zone. EW is an awesome buff that will benefits your whole raid, so don't be selfish and spread the dps love. my problem with MM is only that i forget to watch my threat meter and pull aggro sometimes...my bad. but everyone is MM so i like to be different. i only used BM to level and a couple times in raids. it was not good and it wasn't because my pet died alot, but there are many bosses that do a "chain lightning" type of attack that requires the melee to spread out around the boss. however you can't control where your pet goes so he ends up to close to a real player and the chain attack jumps from him to someone else. lastly, readiness is like a "get outta jail free" car...shit i screwed up and my trap didn't work or put the wrong target to sleep...oh yeah readiness, lemme try again...sweet whatever, be different play survival

Obviously all you people who are talking out of your ass have no idea as to what you're talking about, and just merely taking points from other peoples comments to add to your pathetic arguements.

Marks. Yes, marks hunters since BC have become the "lower" spec simnply because BM has the added attack speed, the added bonus to  your health, overall pet DPS. But here's the thing. I've done every spec imaginable. Dont believe me? I've spent over 700g on respecs at 50g per. You do the math. anyways, as a marksman hunter ( 7/42/12) and (0/31/30) Ive seen an incredible amount of paperdoll DPS increase simply because of gear, gems, and enchants. You people arent taking any of these into account when you're bitching about which spec is better. Marks hunters rely on Attack power and crit chance. So, +35agi on 2H, +12ahi on boots, +15agi on gloves...+12 on cloak..Rest are +AP. Gem yourself with the correct gems, and you'll find your DPS to increase greatly. as marks with the right gems( +8 agi, +8 crit, and the orange combo gems) with the enchants, my paperdoll DPS is at 351.6((I know, I'm only in t4/t5).

In comparison to my BM build (HOMGZ the standard 41/20/0) which given the stats needed to optimise this build(RAP and +stm essentially) you'll see a significant decrease in the DPS you put out. as 41/20/0 my paperdoll DPS was around 345.4 with the right gems, and right enchants, aswell as the right weapon. PLease dont forget about your weapon. Not only does your gems and enchants have to commend your spec, but your weapon does aswell. MArks hunters want weapons with +agi, +crit, +AP like Legacy, while BM hunters could use something like Quantum blade(Heroic Black Morass) which has +31 stm, +40 crit rating, and +108 AP(note the no +agi). Also, note that in most fights your pet is going to be hit with alot of AOES. Nightbane, Prince, Aran, Gruuls...If you waste your time pulling in, and pulling out your pet, wastingf mana to heal it just to keep you at a sustained DPS level, aswell as hoping to god a healer -might- toss on a heal...your stupid. Congrats, to those who can mend revive and resend in pet without gimping your DPS substantially.

Survival hunters, they're only ever needed for expose weakness which really is only good if you can get your agi to over 800. So, SURV is not recomended for anyone pre BT/Hyjal. I say this because : EW = % of your agi.

TSA=125AP at top rank.
EW= AGI x .25(25% of your agi)
To get more then 125AP you need atleast 500 AGI.

Easy to get you say, sure. But take into account surv hunters rely heavily on crit chance to sustain high amounts of DPS.
With 660 AGI with talents as surv, I've gotten to 28% crit. Surv hunters minimum is 30% due to the low paperdoll DPS. A surv hunter with 834agi will only do 320.3DPS(paperdoll).

So, lets do the math.(Note, all of these specs and numbers are coming from the SAME hunter, and the SAME gear)

BM paperdoll DPS = 344.6(with 2% dmg increase from talents)
MM Paperdoll DPS = 351.6(with 2% dmg increase from talents)
SV Paperdoll DPS = 320.4(With 834 agi and 28% crit)

Just one question: Why be a hunter if you don't want to use your pet???? BM FTW!!

very gud point hmmm mabey he just reatrded i duno and btw back to the point

Marksmanship: deals awsome dps with ranged weapon.
Beastmastery: pet is asomw and murders all the noobs (if u use ur pet unlike sum people).
Survival: y was this invented i mean wat is the point tell me.

I have a 70 Hunter thats 17/44/0. I got increased pet armor and AP in the BM tree and went with all the AP and Crit increasing things in MM. I think it gives u the best of both. I can do mass damage, (3500 crits w/ aimed shot) and with a  good tank pet (scorpid) he stays alive and does alot of damage. Im always near the top in DPS/KB in both raids and BGs.
I've never tried survival so idk how that would fit in, but a BM/MM mix either BM or MM heavy is the most well-rounded Hunter that can be very helpful in BG/Arena and Raids.

After reading about all the fuss, I had to get in on this...Suga at the beginning you are preaching about MM like its the greatest and you almost had me second guess my BM until I look at your armory and see that you are now SV.  Then you bash someone for contradicting themselves yet you respec to SV and start preaching about it like its the greatest.  So which one is the greatest...hmm I'm gonna go with YOU HAVE NO IDEA or you wouldn't have respec.  Then you bash ppl for using their pets...HELLO YOU'RE A HUNTER, thats what hunters do, USE THEIR PETS.  As a BM hunter I am a strong advocate for it not only because I am one but because its common sense that if you have twice the damage (hunter and pet) you will always out DPS any other spec of hunter.  If you don't want to use your pet then retire your hunter and make a different class that doesn't have that ability.  Also man, grow up and stop calling ppl idiots cuz you can't get your way or your point across.  "Christ sakes, it's like playin' cards with my brother's kids..."

When you say "paper doll dps" are you referring to the dps it lists on your character sheet? o.O

I respecced to just try out Survival.  I didn't contradict myself in any way.  I am back to marks.  So whatever .. In the 25 man raids fully buffed as survival I was sporting over 925+ agility and my crit chance was outrageous.  PLUS, before you start bashing, maybe you should take into the account that usually more than one hunter runs a 25 man raid.  Whats the point of having ALL marks hunters?  None.  I am a team player and if you are going to check my armory and base your opinion on that after a "month or so ago post" then I will call you an idiot as well.
I still believe marks is the superior specc to go, if you have the right gear, gems, and weapon .. and deffinetly survival if you can snatch up close too 700 agi.  unbuffed. 
I will update you guys on this though.  I respecced BM to try it out for 2's, and it owns.  MY dps sucked, cause im so used to marks, but I lived longer and the 20 seconds I am unstoppable, you can pump out a lot of bullets / arrows.  So thumbs up to BM for 2's.  Thats it though.

Meh, Bm is okay in 2's. Where it really makes its mark is raid dps though. (excluding sunwell :| I hear it is not at all pet friendly). MM can come up to par if they know what they are doing and are geared correctly, but BM also gives a superior group buff to MM. However, you do have many valid points and are probably better geared than myself (the world would implode if I could break 900 agility in my gear) so I will let it be.