Just posted this on a reply, thought it deserved a thread of it's own.


Why spec Retribution?  Here's why:

1. DPS (Damage Per Second) with the ability to be self sufficient.  >>>>Awesome to solo with, Awesome in PVP.<<<<<

Healing does not end a fight quickly, damage output does.  Best defense is a good..? OFFENSE.  Defense does not win games or kill alliance/horde.  Healing is ok, but I say leave that to the healers.

It's what EVERY warrior is crying about, except you can do it.  Would you seriously want to be a DPS warrior if you can't heal after a fight?  Seriously?? Why are they crying for heals in pvp then???  If you want a heal so bad, roll a class that can heal and STFU, or buy yourself some food and eat after you retreat.  Or at the very least, stop telling ME how to play.  You chose that class, not me.



2. IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO DO THIS: Self Heal; Bubble; Purge yourself of poisons, disease, and one magic effect with a click; free yourself of snares; You still wear plate and plate rules period-toss up your sanctity aura no worries about armor, mail is good until you get your plate; free horse; Lay on Hands for an instant extra life with a little mana to boot; you can buff, heal, and rez people (!! Or NOT.)) but bring plenty of water.  Oh didn't they give you water for doing that? Because it cost you alot of mana.  How rude of them, oh well, there they go off to play; you wait here for a few. 


YOU ALSO GET THIS: 2 Stuns (Hammer of Justice AND Repentance)(can be used one right after the other); Lots of Extra Criticals/Extra Damage on physical AND holy; Crusader Strike for like 100 mana with fast cooldown-a real nice skill to spam; nice AOE damage from consecrate because you went Ret for +++holy damage; and... A two hander looks better than a ball peen hammer and a kite shield, but that's personal opinion.  OH and if you roll a Blood Elf, you also get an area of effect SILENCE that you'll use more than you do your bubble (if you're smart).


It comes down to this: Do you want to be a nice guy who helps everyone along with heals for their enjoyment of the game?  Go Holy, we love that, everyone loves heals.  Keep doing that and get more healing gear so you can heal more.  Or something.

Do you want to be a front line fighter who has plenty of tricks up his sleeve, and has a ton of fun doing it--A kind of holy knight.  Go Retribution.

I need to make 1 thing clear 1st.
THIS MAY BE DUE TO MY SERVER.. I do NOT hate Ret pallies.

That having been said...

I have NEVER been beaten by a ret pally 1v1.
I am a healadin.
I beat them due to their teeny tiny mana pool. They always go oom.. and I then I win.
Even in S2 with a few s3 items(sword).. they still die.
Even using LoH... they still die.(I have that too..)
I have 160ish res. and early kara gear... no s2 or s3 gear

Rogues also have NEVER beat me 1v1.
Warriors as well.
A healadin should beat ANY melee based dps.
Ret Pallies are harder to kill than those 2 classes, but the end is still the same.


I freely admit, that may be due to the sheer suckiness of the ret pallies on my server...(or perhaps blind luck) but in any case, there it is.

The problem is, again, ret pallies tiny mana pool. (my large +heals prolly doeesnt hurt. 5%-100%health in 4 sec hehehe)

The key to beating ret pallies is to heal often and EARLY.
If you wait til you are at 50% to start healing... any Ret pallie worth 2Copper can stunlock and bash you down before you can do anything. I start healing at ohh.. 75-80% health...earlier depending on their gear set. Just wait til they go oom as you slowly chip away at their health.
I just love it when they stop to heal... hehe wave bye bye to your teeny tiny mana bar.

That having been said... I just love teaming up with a Ret pally to dominate the BG's.
My heals keep him up and full of mana...
A Ret pally with mana is a beautiful thing to watch.

So dont go sayin that Ret is the only way to go for PVP.
Sure, I get clobbered by locks more often than I kill them, which RET doesnt have too much issue with.
But i just love watching as me and a Ret/rogue/or warrior defend the bunker from 6-8 puny alliance... hahaha healing is the way to win BG's

Holy knight ---> Healadin

Come, prove me wrong... Please prove me wrong...I can use a good Ret pally to team with... I just haven't found any on my server...

Valundar
70 BE Paladin
Blackwing Lair

Van, you are prolly right about the ret pallies on ur server... I personally have taken out a good amt of holy pallies both in duels and in pvp with equal gear (s1-s3) and with the amount of resil you have, it would be even easier. But i do agree with you that healadins are a pain if you dont play the fight right. The strat u use is the best method and depending on the ret's dps, this would be ideal.

As for having a ret partner to go pvp with, whether it be BG's or even lower rank arenas, the combo is def nice. I love the fact that i dont have to bop a healadin to maintain heals on me =D. Too bad im on alliance or i would love to group up.

Holy knight/warrior = healadin

When i think of a knight, i think of the first one in and takin the dmg. Protecting the others that are 'weaker'... so if this served true, wouldnt it be a prot pally = holy war? Im sure the term works with all 3 specs or any combo... all 3 specs are holy to some nature and can heal when needed. =D

Im ret and as long as you are smart and dont waste your seals then you shouldnt be worrying about mana... holy pallies take forever to killbecause they heal themselves every 2 sec and play the ret pallys mana =/

I have a ret pally- and I almost always run out of mana in battle but thats mainly because I tend to go a little crazy. We do have a small mana pool but that's workable. Our DPS is great though. On a PvP team, a ret pally + healadin = ownage.

:)

When i had a Ret paladin, all i got was 'respec to prot or holy you noob, retadins can't dps!' and when i refused to respec, i got kicked from the group and from then on, no one would even ask me to group...so i guess i got bad mouthed.

So, in the end, being level 70 with greens kinda put me off of playing the paladin.

The way i see it, to get into groups, just do a role that they want, even if you hate the role...i will likely leave the game soon, cause players are just too picky about who they group with.

My current Feral Druid is level 69 and i have out-dps'ed some rogues my level, they probably sucked, but in the end, i still out-dps'ed them, but they kicked me out, saying it was me that caused the wipe, not my fault the rogue sucked at sapping. lol

Maybe i need to move to a different Realm, cause Quel'Thalas is pretty shallow when it comes to classes.

The way i see it, ALL classes can do dps, if they spec it right and gear up for it, but to majority of the players on WoW think like this:

Paladin = tank or healer

Druid = Tank, Healer or Magic DPS

As you can see, Retribution and Cat form aren't considered to be dps-capable because they don't match the rogues dps skills.

Meh...Funny thing is...I have seen a Ret pally out DPS there entire guild in SSC by 600k by the time Vashj is downed starting at the very begining.  I have also Seen my ELemental shaman out dps him...it all comes down to this.

Does the Guild want to set you up to Succeed or do they not want to give you a chance as a player period cause of there own personal beliefs and prejduce against a class or build?

I have A pally and a Elemental shaman.  My guild Hates the fact I wanna tank.  My guild is so shallow they say only warriors and druids can tank and pallies are only good as heal bots.  I proved them wrong.  At first my guild didnt even drag anything by resto shamans along...but after I raped everyone in DPS/total damage output on a kara farming run they made a spot for my shaman in 25 mans. 

Basically if you wanna play a ret pally fight tooth and nail gear any way you can find possiable and prove every nay sayer wrong.

I love doing it myself and I am considered a damn good player because I do what ever it takes to push my toon farther...If its reading up on patch notes, if its reading on your class in the forums just to learn neat little tricks to push alittle extra damage out of your class, if its finly tweeking your Gems and your item enchantments on your gear...what ever it takes do it just to prove the S.O.Bs wrong.

But seriously and in all honesty...if people are taking off spec warriors into Kara, ZA, Gruul, Mags lair, SSC, Hyal, BT....and all they bring to the table is dps...why cant the take a Ret pally who can actually do more crap then a off spec warrior...you got buffs, auras, heals, bubbles, oh shit buttons, and a few other niffty tricks you can pull..things a Fury warrior only dreams of.  So dont get discourged if you meet morons in game. I met them all the time and they are usally the ones in trade channel making fun of other classes. 

Here are the Facts:

ANY raid can be main tanked by Warriors, Druids and even Pallies.

Blizzard does its aboslute best to keep the classes from being Over powered by another.

Blizzard makes sure Gear drops in all Raids are distributed equally.  Meaning there are Retribution Pally drops in Black Temple just like there is a Tier 6 set just for ret pallies.

So tell the nay sayers to STFU Nub you dont know crap and play your heart out.


ALl specs for all classes are just fine and are suited for situational uses and different raiding set ups.  Just find the guild that is will to help you along and willing to give you a chance.

This the PRIME EXAMPLE of why ppl think ret pallies are nub. Pppl like this roll a pally to try out the ret spec w/o knowing ANYTHING. This leads to playing like a nub and not understanding the class. If he hates ret spec so much, i say GJ, GTFO imo... If this what you think
"Seal of Righteousness and judgement right away when it becomes available.
Nearly the same damage really, which is probably why no one wants to group with ret pallys"
then go respec prot. Either way, im sure u'll end up with a huge FAIL as that spec too. I could already see u back in the pally forums saying shit like "Tankadins are crap! why do ppl play them when they can just roll a warrior? warriors are the best tanks, paladins suck". At that time, you'll prolly be lvl 25 or so... then you'll prolly roll holy, talk shit about that too saying that they cant heal worth crap and how u wished u rolled a priest. This will all be at lvl 30 of course. At that point, you will most likely say F pallies and go reroll to another class, BUT will be back again after you learn that w/e class you pick will still be a chalenge.

Main point to all this? You sound like a nub. The best advice anyone can give you is to either reroll to something much easier (lets say rogue...) or actually LEARN the class ur playing now b4 you make any comments or judgements. Makin these assumptions at ur nub lvl and lack of experience is like a 5 year old giving advice to a 40 year old. I mean honestly... at 5, can you even comprehend meanings? Same for this situation. At lvl 20, are u saying u know wtf ur talking about? And if ur having so much trouble at those nub lvls when you shud be NOT DYING AT ALL, I cant wait to hear ur QQ once u lvl... and thats IF you ever lvl. If WoW is so tough for you, go play some Hearts or Solitare. It should be in ur default games.

At Jamie

So i actually scrolled up and noticed another post by you... mentioning that you are/were a lvl 70 pally with a 69 druid.

First off, yes ur server must suck balls. Not the actual server, but all the ret pallies on there including urself. Why would ppl have that mentality? And if they ask ur spec n kick you? lol... funny shit. Like a few have said before, YOU make them feel like w/e towards a spec. If YOU fuk up, then it makes the spec and URSELF look bad. By saying u've been kicked leads me to wonder how much u sucked as that spec. I mean even based on ur knowledge, you seem to not know jack shit. So with that said, how could one be "good" w/o knowing what to do or how to play? That is my point... you simply sucked cuz u did not know any better.

2nd. Why do ppl compare dps at these low lvls? U comment was that u out dps'd a rogue at 69. Are you seriouslly gonna compare lvl 69 with 70 play? 69 = ur ALMOST there... borderline to hittin "end game". 70 = a whole new game. If ur mentality is "oh yea, i out dps'd that mage!" as a 69... it just shows ur lack of knowledge. Just understand that prior to 70, classes/specs are still not fully balanced. This isnt to say that they are at 70, just stating that its nothing special if u outdps ANY class below that 70 mark. Look at 39 or 49 twink pvp for example. Is it such a huge thing to see a ret pally PWN shit up? No, they just own at that lvl... How about a rogue or hunter in 19/29 pvp? No, they pwn in those lvls. I'm prolly still being a lil vague here but hopefully u'll understand. If not now then sometime later when get a lil more experience.

As for ur statement on how you think pallies shud only be "healers n tanks" and feral should only be "tanks, healers, spl dps"... this just reflects what YOU can do. This translates to: I cannot dps as a pally. The only thing i can do is tank and heal. I also cannot play a feral druid well enough to dps. I do however dps well as boomkin cuz i just spam 2 buttons, moonfire and starfire.

If thats ur mentality of the 2 classes, lemme ask you this (and to anyone else that share his thoughts on what these classes "should spec"). If you see a pally or druid PLAYING the DPS spec and doing it WELL, do you give them props? Not for doing what they shud do but because its difficult (at least for you) and ur just amazed that it can be done. That should answer it for all the haters... I mean they hate till they get beat. Whether it be by gettin our dps'd in a 5 man/raid or in pvp. Once they get beat, they hate even more. But not because they got beat, but because they realize that they just didnt have the skill to play that spec and are jealous. Feel free to comment n flame back, ill be waiting =D

I agree with Retpally27.  I only just respecced to ret and I'm loving it so far.  Can do a lot of dps to the unsuspecting players who ignore me because they see I'm not a healadan and go for the other horde nearby. 

With every epic pvp piece I get, I get that much harder to kill because my dps output makes them die sooner :)  I basically Seal/Judge of Blood them, crusader Strike, concecrate, stun em, and if/when they try to run away because they realize I'm going to kill them, I use that wonderful 20yd range stun and close the gap hehe.

I was a tankidan for awhile but respecced because I wanted more spice.  I dispelled my false beliefs that ret pallies are no good when I saw the decent ret pallies pwn the damage meter every now and then when I was tank. 

Blood knights ftw :P

Ret27s way of putting things may come off as a self absorbed Jackass...yet the Jackass is right...no offense Ret27.

His statement are true.  Case and point I just joined a new guild on my Elemental shaman and the guild I joined said Shamans are good for 1 thing and that is healing.  I said ok give me a shot just 1 kara run as elemental.  They did and I pwn the shit out of the guilds top DPSer..and I mena by a good 300,000 overall damage beat the hell out of them...Now they say "Depending on who is playing the shaman and the gear it will determine whether or not that shaman is good at what he says he is bringing to the table." same goes for the Paladin, Mage, Huntard, warrior, priest, ect ect...  It depends if the person behind the keyboard is 1 inteligent about his class and 2 if he can truely play his class.  I have seen suck ass Huntards and and I have seen true blue Hunters.  I have seen Kick ass warlocks and I have seen shitty ones too.  You can pretty much weed them out by looking at that guild tag under there toons name...If its a well known reputable guild the player has impressed other people and plays with alittle intelgence...if its some no name or a bad rep guild...meh that player is still a Nub. 

Jamie............. Ret27 is right your a cry baby Nub.  Learn to Play and study more on your class and actually get a real 70...dont just claim to have one and then open your mouth and prove you just lied. 

As a fully geared Ret pally (T6) I can out Dps any class. This is not bravado, it is a simple fact. Ask anyone in my battle group that plays horde. I can two to three shot anything not in plate. I do and average of 1900K damage...Unbuffed, and I regularly steal threat from most fully geared tanks. With a 2h weapon, an average of 14 sec worth of stuns, the ability to heal and sheild, a ret pally is the most formidable Dps class in the game, period!

Remiraz
Durotan

Shockadin can do both if they got strong gear. Front line better than ret, and heal almost as good as holy. Their burst can be more fatal than ret(if they got enough spell dmg and crit) their mana pool is much more than ret, their armor also much greater because of shield. 1vs.1 in pvp, ret is nothing compare to a good shockadin with fulll spell dmg gear

Lol Bigbeef... no offense taken.

Im sure i could word things a bit softer, but the question is, would that work? Plus u have to admit, that post was pretty much trashing on the RET spec. And as a die hard RET fan, im not gonna sit and have someone give out false info. Not that this irritates me, just another form of entertainment at work. =D

And by the fact that he hasnt replied to my post, im sure he understands what i was talkin about.

I have to say that the more I read the posts the closer I am going to respecing to Ret and trying it out. I have been Prot/ tank for so long I think it would be fun to try ret.

However spent alot of time and planning on more time completing my Tankadin.

I may just roll a ret pally and start from begining, Who knows?

Hey retpally27 what server are you on?

I want to point out a few things:
"I do and average of 1900K damage...Unbuffed"
So...  unbuffed eh?  Not even your own BoM... Retardin.. perhaps...

Lets look further...

"I regularly steal threat from most fully geared tanks."


That, Sir, seals the deal...
You are a Retardin.

P.S.
Its called "Omen"  Think about it.

Valundar
70 BE Paladin
Blackwing Lair

First off, lol Val... good catch. When i first read it, i thought it was just a series of typos. I mean I do and average of 1900K damage...Unbuffed means what, at the end of a raid? Cuz i know he doesnt mean per swing... and even at 1900 wht hits, its kind of weak for a t6 pally. And Omen was good to point out. NO ONE with ANY KNOWLEDGE would not be using Omen or some other threat meter. Unless ur guild has BT on farm, why would u let a nub in? And even if it WAS on farm, everyone should still have one.

2ndly, very minor but the comment about 14 secs stuns. an average of 14 sec worth of stuns - its not average. IT IS 6 from HoJ, 6 from repent. 6 + 6 = 12 12 = FACT, not "average". HoJ = a "stun" Repent = Incapacitate (like a sap) so to say 14 secs in stuns is wrong. Incapacitate means that ANY dmg to the target will free them.

So a couple errors, still w/e. Now note this: As a fully geared Ret pally (T6) I can out Dps any class and more specifically, note this: As a fully geared Ret pally (T6). And to be even MORE specific: fully geared(T6). For those of you that dont know, t6 is the highest possible set you can get (PVE set). This means best of the best.. for now. Now to show u some stats on t6 gear, take a look:

Lightbringer BreastplateLightbringer GreavesLightbringer ShoulderbracesLightbringer War-HelmLightbringer Gauntlets

God like arnt they? To see someone comin down the ramp in WSG or coming at u while ur alone watching farm is kinda intimidating.. dont u think? Now first of all, the biggest difference between pvp and pve gear is the RESILIENCE. All other stats are about the same. And when i say about, i mean the familiar STR, STM, INT, Crit, etc... not numbers. So now, i want to point out that mister t6 asked us to armory him. I mean he did give his name and server... Remiraz Durotan

Armory him and u get this:

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Durotan&n=Remiraz

Note that hes in full season 1 pvp gear, random blues and a few war epics. The best thing about this guy is that he wears this as his neck Talisman of True Treasure Tracking. I guess to find treasures...

Now i want to point out 2 things. T6 > s1. T6 > s2 (well some). T6 > or = S3. This guy specifically points out that he is in FULL T6 "As a fully geared Ret pally (T6)" but yet he uses s1. So maybe the reasoning is this... "doesnt pvp gear have resilience? Maybe he was pvping?" Answer - RET GEAR DOES NOT HAVE RESILENCE. Only S3 gear has it atm. s1 and s2 does not have any and wont till the patch from 2.4. And even if there were resil stats on s1, why would u use blue gear when u have full T6? Im sure uve picked up non set, t6 equivalent gear right? I mean unless u BOUGHT all ur gear... u shud.

Lastly, "I do and average of 1900K damage...Unbuffed" this really means "I have 1786 AP BUFFED". And oh yea, how pro is 4/0/57 spec... GG. Either lrn2notlie, lrn2tellthetruth, lrn2stfu, or lrn2gtfooftheseforums. That is all =P

EDIT: Not to be an ass... i mean MORE of an ass to you Mister T6 but can i ask you this? I wanna say this so that u dont come back here and say shit like "oh i logged out in my pvp gear" or "thats what i use for pve" "im spec'd for pve, not pvp" or anyother form of BS u spit. Why is ur current spec RETARDADIN?

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-talents.xml?r=Durotan&n=Remiraz

First off, u picked every talent in the ret tree >.<. Is this because u couldnt pick which ones u wanted? Thought they were all badass? Or so nub that u had no clue wtf to pickup. PROTIP - Sanctified seals gives u 3% MORE CRIT. RET = Burst/CRIT dmg dealer. 2/2 in imp ret aura? >.< all i can say to that is LMAO. If ur pve spec, u should also pick up Imp Crusader btw... Why is this? Cuz u shud be judging EVERY mob thats being targeted to kill with that seal. Its one of the BIGGEST reasons why RET is a class that is worth a raid spot. Yes ppl complain about RET dps in raids. And they complain about the usefulness of us takin a spot. The answer WHY this talent is so great? Because it gives EVERYONE hitting the target judged an extra 3% chance to crit. This equals to a 3% increase in DMG. This along side imp Sanct aura gives roughly 5% EXTRA DMG INCREASE to all ppl in the group, 3% INCREASE to all in the raid. To not pick up that talent = you fail as a pve spec RET. That 3-5% dmg increase makes having ONE RET in a 25 man raid worth having. If its still a lil unclear, heres a simple breakdown. Say its a 10 man, 5 dps (to make this simple).

dps 1 - 700 dps
dps 2 - 700 dps
dps 3 - 700 dps
dps 4 - 700 dps
dps 5 - 700 dps
RET  - 600 dps (yea i know... we should be on top! and are...)

Dps 1-5 = 3500 dps (dps = DAMAGE PER SECOND)
Dps 1-4 + Ret = 3400 dps PLUS 140 (700*.05*4) = 3540 dps

This means that the RET increased the Raids dps from 3500 to 3540. I know this was a HORRIBLE attempt as an example... i could be more specific and be an elitist but thought id make this as simple to see as possible.

Sorry to be tough on u bud, i know u didnt think that ur name would be made fun of but cmon man... to come in and claim u have FULL T6 and make those kinda comments make u look stupid. And even if u did make those comments... how dumb were u to leave ur char name n server? /sigh... Well at least we know ur credibility is shot. Next time when u want to brag about shit or try to give input on something being discussed, make sure its UR character and you KNOW WTF ur talkin about. I would suggest re-registering as a dif name if u ever wanna comment again. I feel sorry for ya =/

i beat healadins im ret i just keep them stunned and they r dead b4 im even hit :) there excuse is damn lagged

Hey.

Retpally27, how come you didn't figure into your DPS equation the - 15 % Debuff that Vindication gives your target?  Wouldn't considering you can take the first 15% off the top be considered damage?  Or does Vindication not work on the high level bosses?

Vindication doesnt work on end game bosses.

you will just see the 'inmune' message.

cya

i completly agree with ret27 and also vind is for pvp dont even work in heroics and some instances.

but along with 3% crit, crusader strike allows all the holy palys to either drop seal of wisdom or light this gives mana back to the caster dps and in a 5 min raid it can give back 3000+ to EVERY caster atacking. same this with seal of light for a ret paly, get heals get a bit of mana back(hey every lil bit counts i guess)
well i guess i was just adding on to what ret said...

legomyego
blackdragon flight
retadin

ps
not claiming i have full t6 but i have gone up to TK and i have played my paly for 50 some days game time so i know the class very well...

I always pec into vindication... but that is pretty much for pvp only. I will be running grulls and mag later today and im sure i will be top 5 DPS. They are all geared people but on single targets... pally WTF pwn. (I just wish we has sweeping strinks and a MS).

RAAAR. DONT STACK CRIT. CAP HIT. STACK STUFF TO RAISE ATTACK POWER. GET HASTE GEAR. RAAAR.

he was actually saying that is the way that most ppl see it, not him, L2Read

..

I just stay prot, nothing against ret but prot and holy are easier to pug groups.

My pala is specced 0/12/41 atm, lvl 62. The gear im using is a mix of spell damage and and flat sta/agi/str gear. I was prot but decided to respec back to ret just because i dont really have as much time for groups anymore.
Anyway I was planning on getting the 2-hander from underbog, which is immense for ret, because i had no weapon to use as ret.
So I had to use the Fallen Vindicator's Blade, which really shouldnt work as a ret weapon because of how soc works and the fact the speed 'should' be waaaay too fast for ret.

Well it feckin' rocks. Im pulling 1380 soc crits on stunned mobs, 680 on non-stunned and it seems to proc way more than the 7 procs per minute soc is on afaik. My crusader strike hits for about 250-400 and crits for about 700ish.

With my spec I can tank in groups if I have time, PVP doing good damage with a 1-hander whilst having nice melee protection and be able to solo-grind/quest w/o falling asleep, it's INSANE!

Heres my Pala, who will be my new main at 70 and ill be respeccing either ret or prot, holy is boring as fuck and I have a 70 Priest anyway that I can have more fun healing with.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Talnivarr&n=Consecrator

Next 2 points are going in Imp.Righteous Fury just to enforce my ability to tank in group. Then I 'll probably fill in the un-maxed out talents in the ret tree.

=)

your a scrub

well defense alone doesn't win games

your one of those people that no one on your server likes arent you...

according to your dps wins fights


ok lets take 25 ret pallys into SWP and see how they do

nothing against ret pallys, they have their place, but there dps is NOTHING compared to mages/locks/rogues etc

the ONLY reason any guilds take ret pallys in on 25 man raids is the combo of imp SOC and crusader strike, not their loldps

i will admit ret pally dps is nothing to turn your back on, but its nothing to drop your jaw at either

if you think speccing ret is the end all, beat all best spec for a pally you obviously understand absolutely nothing about raiding anything past your all mighty accomplishments of downing gruul, or farming BGs for your full season 1 gear and being on 3 horrible arena teams with a 1500 and below rating

its called ret paladin not holy so why didnt you evern bother talking on this forum jackass

mm can any1 help me out im a retro pally dunno if i should chnge spec at 70(nearly there) and i just wanted sum1 to help by telling my how to play as retro pally and were to put my points and wat skills to use so plz help

Ret Paladin DPS STRONGLY DEPENDS ON GEAR, if you dont have alot of AP, crit and an epic weapon your dps will be low

PvP: lol whats with the haters... i see where they get it from honest i do i have only seen a few pallys that know how to play ret to it FULL potential... EXAMPLE- blessing of sacrifice on partner to avoid those incapacitations that force most noobs to trinkets or watch as their partner gets nuked i guarentee there will be many that read this and say wow thats clever for those of you that dont know what it is it transfers X amount of damage from the friendly player to the pally which causes dmg = no incapacitations.... thats just one little tip

PvE: concecration + avenging wrath + SoC + Crusader Strike + sanctity aura = nasty damage just because we dnt dual wield does not mean u dont do damage... rogues hit like sissys but fast we hit like trucks but slow except our spells and self buffs like seals and what not allow us to excell IF AND ONLY IF PLAYED RIGHT otherwise no you will not good dps and yes you will go oom

Fact is pallys are frowned upon for the simple reason they are a harder class to play the lets say... hunter lol but those classes can get away with it because thats how their class was designed pallys however are very complex and you have to be geared right enchanted right gemmed right EVERYTHING for it to all to click

Advice learn the class find YOUR desired spec learn to maximize your potential in it and pwn dont fall into the healbot trap unless you like to heal