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  Report  Quote Reply 2.4 Changes to Spirit (MUST READ for ALL Holy Priests)
Score 10.0     Vote: [-] [+] by IZBadAzz, 4.7 months ago
Based on the evidence I've seen, and reading on other forums, it looks like the spirit change will be pretty good to priests in general.  Currently, 1 spirit is worth 0.625 MP5 OFSR.  It looks like the current estimate for MP5 OFSR in 2.4 will look like this:

MP5 OFSR = Spirit * (Intellect)^0.5 / 21.45

In general, if you have less than ~180 Intellect, you'll actually see it as a nerf.  But, since any level 70 priest with less than 180 Intellect is SERIOUSLY lacking in gear, most of us will see this as a buff.  In fact, if you have around ~460 Intellect (which is probably not even full Kara gear), you'll see about 1 MP5 OFSR.  At mostly T5 gear (say, 550 Intellect), you'll see just under 1.09 MP5 OFSR, and at the T6 level (I'm guessing about 650 Intellect) you'll see around 1.19 MP5 OFSR.

IOW, for those of you having mana trouble and not very good with playing with the FSR, you'll see a noticable improvement in your mana regen.  For those of you who have mastered the FSR, you'll probably NEVER have to use a mana pot if you have a Shadow Priest, and possibly can speak with your raid leaders about actually putting the Shadow Priest with some DPSers so he can get buffs to up his DPS AND up the over-all raid DPS.

This also means that the tradition of using +9 Healing / +2 MP5 gems is pretty much out the window.  Assuming T5 has 550 Intellect Buffed (probably considerably higher, but I'll play conservatively), and 80% IFSR (which is, again, conservative), a +9 Healing / +4 Spirit is worth +10.4 Healing / +1.92 MP5.  IOW, with those conservative numbers, it's better (surely, +1.4 healing > +0.08 MP5 by virtually anyone's standards, unless you value 1 MP5 18 Healing or more), and if you get an Innervate, have more Intellect, or spend less time IFSR, it get's that much better.

This also means, of course, that +8 Spirit (worth +2.8 Healing / +3.85 MP5) completely destroys a +3 MP5 Blue gem.  And, it means that the +9 Healing / +4 Intellect option for hitting Yellow sockets is more likely to be worth it.  At those numbers, assuming Kings, makes each spirit worth + 0.004 MP5 OFSR.  Assuming 550 Spirit buffed at T5 (again, conservative), you'll see the average MP5 value go from 264.59 MP5 to 265.64.  IOW, it'll be like socketting +9 Healing / +4 Intellect / +1.05 MP5, and thus you'd only be trading -0.85 MP5 for 66 Mana (assuming Kings) and whatever the socket bonus is.

Of course, the MP5 effect grows at the square root of Intellect, so that will be worth slightly less as your intellect grows, but may make it a comparatively powerful gem for Kara or lower geared players, particularly where the initial mana pool is an issue.

All in all, this looks like a MASSIVE buff to level 70 Holy Priests (and, likely, druid), and I'll have to spend a lot of money resocketting much of my gear.
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Score 5.5     Vote: [-] [+] by IZBadAzz, 3.8 months ago
pretty sure u cant "resocket" gear.. better start getting new gear!

Umm... I'm "pretty sure" you can.



Read "pretty sure" as absolutely sure.
  Report  Quote Reply Re: 2.4 Changes to Spirit (MUST READ for ALL Holy Priests)
Score 2.7     Vote: [-] [+] by boris_amj2, 3.8 months ago
or even 100% sure
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Score 3.0     Vote: [-] [+] by Geomaris, 3.4 months ago
Any experiences yet, w/ 2.4?
How does the resocketing work out?
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Score 3.1     Vote: [-] [+] by fardler, 3.4 months ago
I'm not sure what I just read...seems like too much thinking for a video game. 
Can someone summarize what the above just said. 
stack int gear where you can, but mana regen on gear/items is still better?
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Score 3.1     Vote: [-] [+] by IZBadAzz, 3.3 months ago
I'm not sure what I just read...seems like too much thinking for a video game. 
Can someone summarize what the above just said. 
stack int gear where you can, but mana regen on gear/items is still better?

The point is, spirit is now WAY better than MP5.  MP5 costs 2.5x as much in itemization, but is only worth a little bit more point for point; hence, stack spirit over MP5 at every opportunity.

To demonstrate, prior to the patch, raid buffed I'd have about 550 MP5 OO5SR and around 270 MP5 I5SR (IIRC).  Last night, using only a Flask of Might restoration (because they're practically useless now, so I'll be switching to a different flask, but I have to use up the ones I have now first) and Golden Fishsticks, I had 980 MP5 OO5SR and 394 MP5 I5SR.  When I can purchase the new badge gear (whenever we open the armory, cause I have the badges saved up), I'll easily be over the 1000/400 MP5 mark.  Rather than putting in some effort to avoid going oom (by skillfully using my Shadow Fiend and HC/IF/ESM chaining), I had to put in effort to actually use all of my mana.

Bottom line, spirit went from being comparable to healing or mp5 as the best stat for priests to being undeniably the best stat by a long shot.

Also, FWIW, Int is a nice stat, especially now since it ties into mana regeneration, but it has diminishing returns and still has much less effect on regen, so I would never stack it, but it's value did increase significantly, making going after sockey bonuses with healing/int gems in yellow sockets completely feasible.
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Score 3.5     Vote: [-] [+] by arbjrs2, 3.1 months ago
Two questions.

1. How do you resocket gems?

2. Is the oppinion that spirit is better than mp5 based on being able to use the fsr alot?

I am a new 70 and am just starting to get into raiding and pvp so , you can call me a noob.

Thank you for info any way
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Score 3.7     Vote: [-] [+] by Geomaris, 3.1 months ago
1. resocketing -> just place a new gem in the socket. Note: this will destroy the old one...

2. my experience is yes -> the + spirit works out better than the +MP5. Also the +spir will give you some +heal and +dmg. Therefore overall it is the better choice. It is not a huge difference, but enough to get me resocketing most of my blue gems.
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Score 3.7     Vote: [-] [+] by IZBadAzz, 3.1 months ago
2. my experience is yes -> the + spirit works out better than the +MP5. Also the +spir will give you some +heal and +dmg. Therefore overall it is the better choice. It is not a huge difference, but enough to get me resocketing most of my blue gems.

Just to clarify a bit, it is worth it for several reasons, be how worth it depends on your gear level.  Currently, my gear, raid buffed, gets me about 1.18-1.19 MP5 OO5SR, so I'll simply round to 1.2.  Thus, even if I spend 100% of my time I5SR, I get 0.36 MP5 for 1.44 MP5 from 4 Spirit versus 2 MP5, but I also get 1.4 Healing.

Now, 100% I5SR means you're probably not playing a priest correctly, because when I'm MT healing, I cancel/cast, which means if I cancel just two in a row (about 2s before I cancel, plus 2.5s for the actual cast), which happens a lot, I'll get about two ticks of OO5SR regen.  I also include HC procs and the every three minutes or so when I chain HC/IF/ESM.  So, even when casting pretty much constantly, I get about 80% I5SR, so that makes spirit worth more like 0.53 MP5 per spirit for 2.12 MP5 for 4 Spirit.

The other benefit of spirit is that it gets buffs from Human Spirit, Spirit of Redemption, and Kings.  So if you're Human, 1 spirit is really worth more like 1.2705, or 5.082, meaning even if you ARE I5SR 100% of the time, you still get 1.83 MP5 from the spirit, not to mention the 1.78 Healing you'd get.  So, even spamming heals, I'd say that 1.78 Healing is well worth the 0.17 MP5 I'm giving up.

Finally, Spirit ALSO benefits from Innervate, so if you ever get innervates, Spirit is nice.  With an Innervate, I have NO trouble COMPLETELY filling my mana without even using ESM to boost my spirit.

Of course, the important point to remember is, it's all fine and good if spirit is better, but not if it's itemized poorly.  In general, MP5 is worth 2.5x what spirit is in terms of itemization points.  IOW, generally, for an item that has identical stats, except one has MP5 and one has spirit, you'd have 2.5x more spirit on it than MP5.  However, MP5 point for point is worth less than 2x what spirit is worth in mana regen alone, and even less when the bonus healing is taken into account.

Bottom line, resocket any gems that have MP5 and replace them with spirit.  Any gear that use to have more regen from MP5 over spirit may be worth revisiting (like the Crystalheart Pulse-Staff versus the Nightstaff of the Everliving, or Staff of Immaculate Recovery versus Apostle of Argus).

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