i am a noob and just want to know which one usually wins?

Thats like asking if Car A raced Car B, who would win...

- You have no info on "Car A"

- You have no info on "car B"

How would u determine the variables? Id suggest re-wording ur question and add some specifics

Im not a expert but it depend more on gear and if you play your class well.

I have beat a lvl 70 warrior with my 68 prot pally and another time another lvl 70 warrior killed me with my lvl 70 prot pally. So I suppose its not about the class but the gear and how efficient you're with you character.

as holy with good gear you can kill pretty much kill any rogue or warrior unless they are much better equipped,
holy shock and judge every 10sec+consecration,
only works on non healing melee classes, you probably waste your mana on everything else

always fun to see rogues running away at 50% health because they thought you would just stand there and heal

I was in SW the other day in dwarven district leveling my Engineering and while I had my menu open I got sapped by a 70 undead rogue. He aggrodsome passing gaurds so he vanished and I figured that was it. Uhhh nope 2 minutes later I again get sapped. This time though I bubbled then "LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR"

HOJ
SOC into JOC
SOV
Divine shield
by now I had sov stacked  times
SOR into JOR
Back to Sov
and my bubble was about up
Holy shield
then got redoubt ]
and switched between SOV and SOR
And just dodged parryied and blocked most of his shots as he tried to run and vanish
I just got off JOV 5 stacked
when he blinded me

LOL
silly rogue he still had my 5 stack SOV ticking away and he was at 18% when I lost him when he ran into the tram entrance to IF.

also the one thing people hate about pallys is LoH which just pisses em off and i laugh my butt of

hmmm i know lots of rouges....sadly they are extremly good at their class =\ this is one of the few fights id say as ret you should deffinantly use mana for heals and other non-ret spells. consencrate is usefull to for those tricksy pests. devotion aura is good to minimize the damage. surviving is the key to this fight, get a heal in with repentance. if they vanish consencrate and bandage, force them to attack or watch you get healed up. DS if blinded, what ever you do dont let them get a bandage in. that 2-3k health could get them the strike they need to land a 3k finishing move and ruin you.

Perhaps the first encounter happend at lvl 68 and the next when he'd dinged twice. 

that was my guess...

then again, whos to say he doesnt just love being a pally? I mean if he had 2 dif specs, i dont see a prob with it. I know a couple ppl with duplicate classes played as dif specs.

LOLL.i got only one paladins! like retpally27 said, the first encounter was going on at lvl 68 and later with the same pally at lvl 70 I meet another warrior..:P

if they stunlock you, you are in trouble. if you stun them before they can do it, and have a reasonable amount of pvp skillz, you have a good chance of winning. any sort of stealth detection is your best friend, and usually grants you the first hit.

yeah, a good thing for pvp if you are holy vs a rogue pop divine favour and slap seal of the crusader on him and let loose the holy SHOCK! on my pally lands arund 3k sometimes, then pop and stun and just consecrate and battle it out with seal of vengeance to stack up.

(i use shortened names for spells, to help the people who might not know the shortened names, GL withn playing ur pally's and have fun!)

well my prot pally is level 43 now and at 41 i cn safely say rogues aint that hard as prot spec. Unless they r rly chicken and just restealth every other hit. I was fighting a mob, rogue jumped me, i killed them both with still over 1k of the 2.2k hp i had. 10 minutes later that same rogue and a 44 (yes 3 levels higher) fury warrior both jumped me. Got them both to about 20% hp with myself at around 500 left and they both ran, a nearby mage managed to get the warrior, the rogue got away
=( Thats my story, dunno about other peoples experiences


P.S. No my gear was not amazing in the least, still using a level 20 leather belt from sfk.

As a Human Holy Pally My general moves are:

Human ability for greater stealth detecton (forgot the name)
Divine Illumination
Seal of the Crusader
Judgement of the Crusader
Seal of Righteousness
(pally stun ability)
Holy Shock
Holy Light
Judgement of Righteousness
Seal of Righteousness
Concecration (DI and HoW wear out about now)
Divine favor

Duke it out from there, if he vanashes, Concecration and bandage. If I see him bandage while I bandage, Judgement or Holy Shock(or both if their cooldown's are done) him out of it immediately and Holy Light, by which time he's pretty much dead and I'm at nearly no mana.  Hammer of Wrath and  he's down.

Retri pally:

Spam with rank 1 consecration until u see the rg, stun, seal of crus, judge, seal of crus, crus strike. (by now rg will have something about 50% hp). Use repentance, w8 for crus strike cd to finish, crus strike. Hell probably try to blind u and first aid on self. Use holy shield, consecration to stop FA, crus strike when cd is over, holy wrath. If he'll try to vanish then consecrate rank 1 again.

Prot pally:

Spam with rank 1 consecration until u see the rg, stun, seal of crus, judge, seal of crus, holy shield. He'll just die hitting u. If he'll blind u or vanish, just do what a retri pally would do.

For both pallys use retri aura so he will take dmg for every hit. If the rg is on subt spec and has shadowstep,spem consecration and move alot untill the u kill the rg.

I am a lvl 70 ret pally not good geared at all i pwn warriors and rogues if their gear isnt that good

Can rogues even win a 1 on 1 on anything?

in EoS, i pwned a ret pally with my combat mace rogue only lost like 2k hp, kept kicking(imp kick) and gouging , parried one of his attacks and riposted him ..haha...combat mace owns!!

Are you actually being serious?

They can 1v1 anybody and win.

up against arm warriors might take more efforts though,, but since they have removed that immune to disarm bullshit in the arms tree, we combat rogues can just riposte the shit outta them. haha

this wasnt made so u can spam bout how good roguers are dumbass, fighting ability is relative

if pally is RET then hands down he should CRUSH a rogue no if and or but... the plate armor makes them hit terribly and once they stund and u judge SoC they gna be toast.. and for the nub that sayd use SoV thats the dumbest thing ive EVER heard considering a rogue has cloak of shadows which takes dots off of him

lazy rogue-
SoCrusader-judge
SoCommandment
hammer of justice
judge soc
hitting him with crusader strike when u get the chance
rogue is dead

rogue using sprint and evasion-
SoJ-Judge(puts him back to his norm speed)
SoC
CS
HoJ- cant dodge attacks while stunned
judge SoC
SoC
CS
rouge is dead

Baaaz said above 'They (rogue) can 1v1 anybody and win.'
This is the truth /sigh.
i`m posting this cause so many pally think they are so great and amazing but many don`t realize how powerful S3 full rogues can get!

I'm a 70 paladin and i `USE` to beat rogues on every spec(holy/prot/ret) until i starting seeing what i should be calling an actual rogue.

If both the rogue and pallies knows what they are doing and rogue execute things correctly, it will be mostly (if not all) paladins LOSS even if the pally

execute his things perfectly with Full set of arena gears.
fake casting helps but results don't really change...good rogues = good interrupts.
i can pretty much fake cast every bad rogues kick but... good rogues can kick over half my heals.

this is FACT which means every one of you who wrote above tactics on how to kill a rogue as a holy pally, i have to say you've been killing rogues who can't play their class. If you are happy with that, go ahead and /enjoy.

Oh and if any rogues come to me and complain they can't beat a holy pally with equivalent gear as they, i will /sob and /cry for you.

Rogues can ALWAYS sprint off your face, bandage (unless if he got JoJ on him which should be removed throgh CoS sometimes in order to run off and heal) stealth, sap you and start knocking your health down again.

If someone thinks bandaging is for fags? it's as crucial to them to bandage as for

you to bubble. As for me if they run away to bandage i run the opposite way to drink.

I don't know much about rogues but i can tell you this.
rogues that doesn't use wound poison in pvp...GG! it's either mind numbing + wound /// wound + crippling.

for an example, a good rogue (at SSC-BT level) should be able to kick a 1 second casts. I've seen rogues that can kick my HoWrath which is 0.5seconds cast.

If you can't interrupt holy light (2-2.5 seconds cast) when you have your interrupting abilities ready, reroll for afflictioun lock or something...
If you can't kick pyroblast within your range...GG wow for you. If a rogue rotates his interrupts correctly(i.e. stunlock), they can keep a paladin from getting any self heals (other than holy shock) for as long as 10 - 15 seconds and even longer with mind numbing poison.

KaLLL...you actually mentioned JoJustice but don't take into account of Cloack of Shadow out of that?
rogues are able to vanish (prevented through consecration but they can stun, get out then vanish) or clock then spirint...duh...Btw pally stuns = MAGICAL effect can be removed through CoS.

also in S3 holy gear, (16000 armor = roughly ~60% reduction) i've seen rogues crit me as much as 1100+ as sword spec'd (obviously S3 weapon). Sure they hit weak on plate don't they?

p.s. The only exaption will be retribution paladin in some cases but again great rogues will win most of the games anyhow.

***If any pally or rogue don`t think the same, give me (-) votes. but i assure you now if you are wearing blue crap, you won`t likely be seeing rogues at that skill level anyway cough...

and it only applies to 70s!

Csin
Bloodscalp (US)
70 Paladin - Holy/Prot/Ret
41/20/0
0/44/17
5/11/45

all things even.. the rogue should lose this fight hands down.. I have both a rogue and a pally...

lots of people forget rogues wear lether... and pallys wear chain / plate, which counts alot..

as a pally keep them in front and stun them as much as they stun you.... bandaid and let the beat down begin..

as a rogue.. I have only beaten pallies that sucked at the class they play. or didnt pay attention to what was going on

This makes me wanna make a rogue.  Should I? cause I like pvp and pve and it seams like they are good at both.

Hello, im Homba, a retribution paladin . And they DO lose to rogues lol ..I tried the most to beat them and it aint doable if the rogue is smart . And yes, i do play ret paladin well . I do cleanse, i got 1h/shield, i got the most. And if you still believe rogues will lose, i will type here how the fight goes .

Before duel starts, paladin uses seal of justice and 1h/shield. This should give the paladin like 17k armor.

Rogue: Cheap Shot
Paladin: Stand there
Rogue: Kidney Shot
Paladin. Trinket and repentance. cleanse and heal.
This puts presure on the rogue. They dont want the paladin to heal, so they can either use trinket now or save it. However, most rogues save it.
Paladin: Seal of command and judge it. Change to 2hander now. (Btw i hope the paladin got it all binded.)And start nuking for a while.
Rogue: Starts nuking again.
Paladin: Use Hammer Of Justice. (PS, this is important. You should improve HoJ as much as possible, i got 35sec cd on it myself.)
Continue nuking, you might get to fire off a judgement, do it as fast as possible.
Rogue: Use trinket
Paladin: change to 1h/shield again with seal of justice to stun.
Rogue: Probably kidney
Paladin should be at around 60percent, and rogue at 70
After a while, rogue should be at 65maybe, and paladin at 40. (This due to that paladin is wearing 1h/shield.)
Paladin: Hammer of justice again, now its time for a nuke. (This is the matches turn point. If Paladin is lucky and gets in a heavy burst, he will win. If rogue is lucky, they win.

This is a little about how the fight goes on. Note: I forgot to mention alot. Blind,vanish,cos, divine shield, firstaid..

em you cant change weps in combat.....