Woooow something nice for you alchamists.
So where do you get the recipe?
Get recipe at Sunwell. You must be exalted to purchase.
Does it work with plane old alchemist stone as a trinket set?
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Look at the ingredients and read the description. It does not stack. Also, the alchemist stone is needed to make this one.
Does it work with plane old alchemist stone as a trinket set?
Technicly you could make an Alchemist Stone, use it to make this trinket and then make another Alchemist Stone. The effect wouldnt stack but you could wear both of them.
AP's effectiveness is increased by haste, and crit. just to make this painfully obvious - if you had 100% crit, and crits do double dmg. ap would be worth 2x the base dps it adds.
Obviously I didnt take talents into account. The old trinket for instance triggers flurry more often and benefits from Impale because of its crit. I'll give you that the new one is probably still better for a fury warrior, but not for other specs like arms or a protection warrior offtank that occasionally wears dps gear.
For those curious, you can make and equip both the Alchemist's Stone and other Sun faction stones like the Assassin's Alchemist Stone. Mat expensive, but I've done it.
Do the +potion effects stack with each other????
If you read the effect on the stone, it states:
"Does not stack."
So you can use both the original alchemists stone with the new one, but the potion effect will not stack. I personally would proffer both of them equipped for participating in battlegrounds. The AP is nice, and the bonus I get from the potion increase is very nice.
This is good for a shaman(mental Quickness)
this is a nice little trinket for melee dps in raids. The +104ap is nice, but the 40% healing/mana pot increase is sweet to go along.
I believe all melle raid dpsers out their know what its like to have spam heals on the tank and you gotta blow those pots just to be hit again for more than that pot could even heal u for. So here is a 40% AND SOME SWEET AP.
Cant wait to do this on my furt warrior. Ill bump over 2k ap w/o buffs XD
Yeah, i've been pleased with my raid results so far with this trinket. It was expensive as all get out to make, but thus far seems to be worth the effort.
Thanks for player below giving me a correction.
Simple calculation.
consider badge reward item and this item in 2 minute interval.
Bloodlust Brooch
72 x 120 (2 minutes )
+
278 x 20 (20 seconds)
=14200 all combined attack power only from trinket in 2 minutes
Assassin's Alchemist Stone
108 x 120 (2 minutes)
=12960 all combined attack power only from trinket in 2 minutes
The badge reward has bit of more ATP, while Alchemist Stone has the potion boost. As for item level, they should be around at same margin.
Yet I still would like to favor on Alchemist stone, because of numerous occasions the player below stated
But neither of those are not better than Jul'jin's trinket.
Bloodlust Brooch
72 x 100 ( 1 minute and 40 seconds)
+
278 x 20 (20 seconds)
=12760 all combined attack power only from trinket in 2 minutes
Assassin's Alchemist Stone
108 x 120 (2 minutes)
=12960 all combined attack power only from trinket in 2 minutes
As conclusion, it is significant upgrade from the badge reward because of potion boost along with slightly added attack power.
Bluemagic, I'm afraid your math is wrong here. While the Bloodlust Brooch is active, it adds 278 AP IN ADDITION TO its base 72 AP. So the calculation would be:
72 x 120
+
278 x 20
= 14200 combined AP over the two mins.
So, technically, the Bloodlust Brooch still provides more AP.
Another way to think about it is this, the Bloodlust Brooch (if you constantly activate it as soon as it's cooldown is up) will provide an average of 118.3 AP. While the Stone will provide a constant 108 AP.
Of course, no one can actually remember to always keep Bloodlust Brooch active 100% of the time it is available, so in actual usage, I think the Stone will still probably do more for your DPS over the course of an evening...
You are correct; i didn't consider 72 is always active.
I registered just to tell you how stupid you are :-)
First off, you CANNOT pot in Arena games.
Second of all, the Alchemist stones only apply to Health and Mana potions.
So quit telling your dumb lies to try and make yourself sound cool on Thottbot, thanks
I'm a little confused on this one.
My ret palli has the reg alchemist stone which adds +15 to all stats, while this one only adds 108 attk power. being that I actually use all the stats wouldnt I be better off keeping the old trinket?
I could see why a war or rogue would want this one but it seems like a downgrade to me, shrug.
Yes, at different perspective, it is
But compare druid's buff (Motw) and priest's buff (stamina)
then you will see more clearly.
they are same concept
Hunter analysis of this stone:
The way I see it, in long boss fights, I typically need to roll with Aspect of the Viper so that I have the mana to maintain my dps for the entire fight. I can use pots, of course, but it all comes down to a comparison of aspects, trinkets, and pots.
Aspect of the Hawk: +155 Attack Power
Aspect of the Viper: mana return up to 55% of Intellect / 5 sec
Assassin's Alchemist Stone: +108 Attack Power and +40% effect from mana and health pots
Super Mana potion:
1800-3000 mana --> +40% --> 2520-4200 mana
Super Rejuvenation / Mad Alchemist potions:
1650-2750 health and mana --> +40% --> 2310-3850 mana
Fel Mana Potion:
3200 mana / 24 sec --> +40% --> 4480 mana / 24 sec
Potions can be used every 2 minutes (120 sec), so spreading that mana out over two minutes gives the following MP5:
Super Mana potion: 105-175 mp5
Super Rejuv / Mad Al: 96-160 mp5
Fel Mana potion: 186 mp5
I use Bloodlust Brooch and the current version of the alchemist stone before this one, so I am just going to give the AP increase and mp5 comparison by using it and not using it, as well as using the average return of potions:
Aspect of the Viper:
My intellect in PVE gear is around 310. This gives 170 mp5 using 55% of intellect. It likely won't be that high all of the time, but that's the maximum.
Aspect of the Hawk + Al Stone:
+ 155 Attack Power - Aspect of the Hawk
+ 108 Attack Power - Assassin's Stone
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= +263 Attack Power
Using Fel Mana potion = 185 mp5
Basically, you can get 263 more attack power using this trinket with Fel Mana potions and still maintain enough mana for the long fight as if you had the Aspect of the Viper on. Even with regular Super Mana pots, you'll still maintain around 140 mp5...and you can switch to Aspect of the Viper to finish off a boss.
If you can find a trinket that does more than 263 effective Attack Power, drop the stone, but otherwise, it looks like a very good hunter choice for long fights. From what I can tell, the extra 263AP is about an extra 18.8dps, which equals about 2.5% crit based on my current gear.
Skuully - Hunter
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n=skuully
at first i was thinking about going JC to get the shadowsong panther, but seeing this, i will go achy. having to switch over from hawk to viper once i reach about 40% mana, gimps dps alot especially with IAoTH lost.
screw those potions you posted. Go with the cheap ass mad alchemist potions... They restore health and mana, and they do both better than the super health/mana in one potion. I always keep a stack of like 20 on me with raids, so whenever I get mid health or mana, I just pop one. With this trinket it makes them all the better.
Plus it's one less trinket for me to think about since I don't have to activate anything. The bloodlust badge is my other one, but I have that tied to beastial wrath and rapid fire, so I don't need to remember it directly.
not sure if i'm the only one to see this as a rip off, but where does the 15 to all stats go? considering all the extra mats i have to spend on this, to "upgrade" it, i'd actually like to see an upgrade, and not a change. 108 AP would have been nice if it had been a whole new stone, with about the same mats as the alchemist's stone.
I don't know how's the economy on your realms, but on draenor, a nether vortex is about 250 gold. or 15 badges. Primal shadows around 25g each. Meta gems 150g, primal might over 100g.
so the alchemist stone takes about 800g in mats. Is it really worth paying 650g to replace 15 to all stats with 108ap? 15 to all stats = 800 gold, but 108 ap ends up costing 1400g+?
To make it worth it, they should take out the alchemist stone from the materials required, cuz stats wise, they are "equals" and not quite an "upgrade"
Requires level 350 alchemy.
But you need to be 375 to make it and it's BoP.
You would have to lvl to 375, make the trinket, then drop alchemy and relevel to 350 to use this trinket at 350.
Good trinket, another rep grind.
After a few raids using the new stone and then a few using Bloodlust I am still not sure which provides more DPS over the course of the raids. The math above seems correct. It is less to concentrate on when using the stone even though I have a macro to trigger Bloodlust every time I pop SnD, BF or AD which keeps it up at a maxium.
Hi, i looked at all the comments above, but i asked myself 1 thing... as a BM hunter, i see everybody talking about this alch trinket versus bloodlust broch. how about using them both? Or are other trinkets combinations better?
Yea i agree with all of you that the effect wont stack but....
You can't have 2 alchemist's stone on you. Read what the item description says: UNIQUE
...Unless an upgraded Alchemist's Stone can be worn with a normal one or another upgraded Alchemist's stone
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do you guys think its really worth a rogue taking up alchemy to end up with this stone at the end? rather than something like enchanting... cos personally i prefer alch and can eventually just buy enchants.
right? any helpful opinions would be much appreciated.
I would go for enchanting, and take the +6 all stats on your rings and then just go for the badge reward: Bloodlust broach. Imo this alchemy trinket isn't worth it.
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I would go for enchanting, and take the +6 all stats on your rings and then just go for the badge reward: Bloodlust broach. Imo this alchemy trinket isn't worth it.
You are forgetting to mention that as an Alchemist (Master Elixirs proc extras (including flasks) without extra mats) you can make your own Major Agility, Assasin Flasks, heal pots, etc. Otherwise you will be paying the high prices on AH before each raid. I would also mention an Alchemist can make meta jem diamonds and primal might.
Consider all the pros and cons of any profession. I highly doubt an enchanter is making a tenth of what I make off selling pots, elixirs and flasks.
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