Okay i don't know what is better Affliction Demonology or destruction. if this helps i like to do pvp ya i just like to kill the other side a lot and i want high crits!!

If you want to PvP and you like high crits, you want destruction, hands down.

I just rolled a new BE Warlock when switching to a new server. Destruction all the way.

UD for fear break + cannibalize (which with life tap is free fast mana) or BE for the silence.

Affliction or Demo is better for survival, Destruction is better for doing damage.

Unfortunately, if you're destruction and anybody so much as glances at you, you're screwed.

this is a hard choice

i pik destruction

Affliction always

Soul Link/Ruin?

5/35/21 ?

well its a hard desition ill just see which one everyone tells me too do

i am demonology. Check out my toon on the blizzard website his name is Caslar I am a lvl 59 human warlock. Let me know what u think

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZ0gczIiz0xsZxv0tr0zM
check this out...
with succumbus out...+ total of 30% atk for shadow spells.
excluding some from demonic knowledge and demonic aegis, if ur using fel armor.
this spec does crazy dmg and crits

As far as I am concerned I would say Demonology since alot of the warlock spells rely on it that I've noticed.

Welll....it depends if you mean Arena or BGs.

Destruction isn't TOO bad, though you will die fast. However, in Arenas, it basically means you're going to lose.

I think it is Demonology. I went that way,lol, but im only lvl 12. I think it is good because if your pet dies your pretty much screwed. They interupt your spells plus your armor sucks ass. So if you go demonology your pet can stay alive longer and so can you. Besides pets are pretty much the coolest thing about warlocks. It helps your conjured items too.

Demon or affliction

Demon makes your pet better and the pet takes 20% of your DMG!:D

Affliction is better for PvP cuz then u survive more!


Destrouction is better when u are low level...thats my tip

I'd have to go with demon, im lvl 35 and honestly, that thing is awesome. I usually like something to do all the fighting for me when im a spellcaster so having a minion+demon spec just floats my boat.

I have tried all the talents, however the best one I have seen is affliction for PvP.  Affliction let's you through out DoTs including more instant cast which is a must for PvP.  So essentially you can through out a craplode of damage before they even see it comming

I have experimented with aff/dest, demo/affl, destro/afflic, demo destro, and affl/demo.  spent a crapload of gold changing specs, and I can tell you, by far, my best pvp result was demo/affl.  I even tried sl/sl and my damage and kills were significantly less than 20/41/0.  awesome survivability.  The negatives are of course that you have only 2 instant dots, no instant HoT, no siphon life,no CofEx..., no shadowburn...the list goes on...

It really depends on you.

Felguard may have worked for the guy above but for me it sucks so badly that I respecced in 10 minutes.

Try killing stuff with different methods and see.

locks are an enigma man choose what u fell good playing some lockshate destructo other love it i personally am a 70 orc warlock i love it my fellgard klls so fast cause of my racial command i like affliction aso but its not for me so pick what u lke and go for it all the warlocks FTW HORDE RULES

DUDE! There is a much simpler way of asking this question: Warlock specs, what is best for:

PvP;
Lvling;
survival;


Thats all you really need to ask to find out what you want to know. Incidentally i would also like the answers to these questions. :'D

Ask and you shall receive!

At 70

PvP Arena:  SL/SL is great, you might think about taking Shadow Mastery in the Affliction tree instead of "Protect my pet for 1 sec longer".  Also, Demonic Resilience lowers the chance to be crit THREE less times out of one-hundred crits, WOW, useless.  Shadow Mastery will also give you about 100 spell dmg more than Demonic Knowledge.  SL/SL is probably also the best farming spec.  Be aware that some Arena teams need other specs for utility, some need UA.  Be willing to try different things to make your rating go up, while finding what works best with the classes you play with and the size team you're on.  SL/SL will perform sub-par dps in instances and raids.

PvP Battlegrounds:  Felguard with Destruction.  I take Shadowburn and Destructive Reach.  It owns, especially with the trinket from Tempest Keep.  However, you can roll SL/SL in BG's and melt faces just as well or better, it's a different playstyle though.

Raiding - Low Spell +Hit:  Affliction with UA.  If you have low spell hit, you probably have low spell damage as well, take UA.

Raiding - High Spell +Hit:  Affliction with Ruin.  Simply does more damage than UA if you have crafted or Kara epics.  Still, a good Warlock can out dps the rest of the raid with UA but if you want to be all pew pew and shit...

Raiding - Monster Spell Damage:  Performs the best at hit cap (202 +spell hit).  Basically you go down to Shadow and Flame in the Destro tree and Demonic Sacrifice in the Demo tree.  Stay away from talents that appear to be PvP oriented.  Sac the Succubus for the highest dps in the game.  With the correct gear, sac the Imp for the highest dps in the game.  While farming, sac the Felhunter.  If you're in BEM doing dailies, sac the Voidwalker.  Great farming spec, not as good as sl/sl.  Probably not raid worthy under 17% crit (without any Destro or Demo talents) AND around 150 spell hit.  You must put all three points into backlash. You can do all the fire spells or go for more mana for a pure shadow spec with Cataclysm.  Imp Searing Pain is really for Warlock tanking only.

While Leveling

Affliction for the lower lvl's.  Learn how to keybind, and what it means.  Do not click with a mouse to cast ANY spell, do not roll a Warlock if you can't do this.  Affliction provides ways to more efficiently grind without as much eating and drinking, THUS, cheaper, by far.

In the mid-lvl's do a hybrid affliction/demo/destruction if you're on a pvp server to get fast Shadowbolts, Insta Corruption, and max out points in Improved Succubus talents.

In the mid-lvl's if you're on a PvE server, continue down the Affliction tree, picking up Dark Pact.  Super mana efficient, enjoy not having to buy hardly any food or water.

At lvl 50, pickup the Felguard, go solo for your Infernal.  At this point you can go back to Affliction or stay with the Felguard while putting points back into Affliction.  Make sure you take the talents to instant summon a new pet, don't take points to buff the Voidwalker or Succubus if you're speccing the Felguard.

At lvl 60, you can take the points back out of Affliction and go with the fast Shadowbolt and continue with talents that buff Destruction (Reach), and my Destro must have (Shadowburn).  Or you can wait till lvl 61, and get Siphon Life and Soul Link (SL/SL).  If you haven't played SL/SL before, I'd recommend trying it first.  Also, if you're on a PvP server, I'd take SL/SL, hands down.

Raiding No-No's:  Don't show up to Raids with PvP talents.  We don't want to wipe on new content because you're too lazy to spend 50g to respec. 

Popular crappy talents in raids:
Fel Concentration - You're an idiot.
Curse of Exhaustion - You can do Vashj and Hyjal w/o it.
Howl of Terror - Are you fracking serious.
Felguard - It's possible, but nobody wants to see it.
Shadowfury - I love stomping these people.


Ok, so now any mob, five lvl's over you should be in your reach.  If this isn't possible for you, and you followed the above suggestions, check the gear.  You want Stam, Int, and Spell Damage.  Spell Damage above all else, I know there's a lot of Spirit stuff while lvling.  Please, please, please, help yourself and try to stay away from it if you can.  Sometimes it can't be avoided.  Don't be scared to keep wearing something that looks like it has the right stats over something 20 lvl's later that has crap on it.  Like nuking your spell dmg for spirit with the same stam and int.  Forget that.

So after studying the forums i have seen that Affliction is an all around pretty good spec (untill lvl 60-70 when you should supposedly switch to Demonology) I also know form experiance that high damage specs (like destruction) are very good for lvling.  I am pretty confident that i could work with Affliction but Destruction would be faster lvling i think, although i DONT want to end up like my Druid, who (although is fine now thanks to smart gearing) was constantly running out of mana with Balance at lower lvls, thus i dont have much confidance in all-spell specs. So do i pick Destruction for high dps and thus fast lvling or Affliction for Mana efficiency and the DoTs?


Also, are those people right in saying to hold off untill higher lvls for Demonology?

your assumption that destruction leads to fast levelling is entirely incorrect. this is due to it's inefficiency.
with affliction you can take on several mobs at the same time and end the fight with full health and mana. after taking out the same number of mobs in the same amount of time destro would be low on both health and mana.

affliction is the fastest way to level until around 56-58 when the felguard gets some of the important skills. at this point both are good. demo is ok from 1-50 but wil be slower, if safer.