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    Score 4.4     Vote: [-] [+] by Havoclegion, 5.5 months ago
    I play a prot Paladin and I can see this as a viable tanking shield. Tankadins get most of their +spell damage from their weapon. Plus; this shield offers many of the defensive stats that a tankadin can make use of if they have the spell damage that they need. Because of enchants and items, a weapon will be generating a very healthy amount of threat. If you are a prot paladin that needs the extra threat, pick up the Sunward crest. Hope this helps.
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      Score 6.0     Vote: [-] [+] by rogermw, 4.7 months ago
      Last edit: 4.7 months ago
      I must respectfully disagree with Havoclegion's implication that this shield is better for a tankadin than the Sunward Crest.  Particularly if the Tankadin is in blues and trying to gear up to the point of being able to handle Raid bosses.

      This shield gives the wielder +18 Dodge Rating.  The Sunward crest gives the wielder +18 Block Rating.

      18 Dodge Rating increases your combined avoidance (the chance for a miss, dodge, parry, or block when attacked) by 0.95%.
      18 Block Rating increases your combined avoidance by 2.28%.

      For a paladin tank to reliably negate Crushing Blows, his combined missed+dodge+parry+block chance must total at least 102.4% with only Holy Shield up.  The 2.28% contribution to Block chance from the Sunward Crest goes a LOT farther toward making the paladin Uncrushable than the 0.95% contribution to Dodge chance from the Dawnforged Defender.

      Yes, the extra +spelldamage bonus from the Sunward Crest isn't strictly NECESSARY if the DPSers in the raid are reasonably careful about their Threat.  However, the more +spelldamage a paladin tank has, the more breathing room he gives his DPSers and the more quickly they can whittle down a mob without pulling aggro.  Furthermore, while the Dawnforged Defender's Hit Rating bonus means fewer missed Seal of Righteousness procs, the Sunward Crest's Spell Hit bonus means fewer Resisted Judgements of Righteousness.  (It also means less of a chance to miss with important situational Judgements, such as Judgement of Justice on a mob that will otherwise run away.)


      Now, for a raid-tier-geared paladin who's already at or past the Uncrushable threshold and has more threat generation than he can shake a stick at, the Dawnforged Defender's extra Block Value can mean a lot less damage taken from a fast-hitting boss.  However, a paladin geared that well usually has access to shields that are better than this one to begin with!
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        Score 0.75     Vote: [-] [+] by cedricgreene, 4.6 months ago
        Last edit: 4.6 months ago
        This, the Dawnforged Defender, is more of a raid/boss tanking shield for pallies whereas the Sunward Crest works better for pallies in the 5-man/PUG/aoe trash areas. They're dirt cheap so get both. The real question should be this or Crest of Sha'tar for (Kara) raiding.
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        Score 0.79     Vote: [-] [+] by darkflippy, 4.4 months ago
        I must respectfully disagree with Havoclegion's implication that this shield is better for a tankadin than the Sunward Crest.  Particularly if the Tankadin is in blues and trying to gear up to the point of being able to handle Raid bosses.

        This shield gives the wielder +18 Dodge Rating.  The Sunward crest gives the wielder +18 Block Rating.

        18 Dodge Rating increases your combined avoidance (the chance for a miss, dodge, parry, or block when attacked) by 0.95%.
        18 Block Rating increases your combined avoidance by 2.28%.

        For a paladin tank to reliably negate Crushing Blows, his combined missed+dodge+parry+block chance must total at least 102.4% with only Holy Shield up.  The 2.28% contribution to Block chance from the Sunward Crest goes a LOT farther toward making the paladin Uncrushable than the 0.95% contribution to Dodge chance from the Dawnforged Defender.

        Yes, the extra +spelldamage bonus from the Sunward Crest isn't strictly NECESSARY if the DPSers in the raid are reasonably careful about their Threat.  However, the more +spelldamage a paladin tank has, the more breathing room he gives his DPSers and the more quickly they can whittle down a mob without pulling aggro.  Furthermore, while the Dawnforged Defender's Hit Rating bonus means fewer missed Seal of Righteousness procs, the Sunward Crest's Spell Hit bonus means fewer Resisted Judgements of Righteousness.  (It also means less of a chance to miss with important situational Judgements, such as Judgement of Justice on a mob that will otherwise run away.)


        Now, for a raid-tier-geared paladin who's already at or past the Uncrushable threshold and has more threat generation than he can shake a stick at, the Dawnforged Defender's extra Block Value can mean a lot less damage taken from a fast-hitting boss.  However, a paladin geared that well usually has access to shields that are better than this one to begin with!

        the small thing u forget to put in here is that a pally tank get aggro from getting hit. sooooo if Dawnforged beef up your dodge u make it less offor them to land a blow on you vs Sunward makes it so u can take a hit. yeah with it i take less dmg with the other shield then u know when u aoe tanking the spell and block wins. that and hit rating is nothing to a tank who get aggro from people pounding on them.
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          Score 0.83     Vote: [-] [+] by lubermanl, 4.1 months ago
          The point is
          the +block rating gives you just over 2% block, if your trying to reach uncrushable, then it gets you further then then 1% dodge on this shield.
          Dodge is superior for boss tanking, since blocks dont prevent much dmg (relatively, from a boss), and your getting enough healing from the dmg that does get through to maintain your mana pool.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Dawnforged Defender
        Score 1.1     Vote: [-] [+] by ArdaliusJaedanar, 2.8 months ago
        However, you're forgetting that paladins don't only AoE tank.
        i bought both shields for my prot pally because even though i lose a bit of avoidance from switching to this one, it's overall better for single target tanking [i.e. raid bosses]. i also split the enchants, 18 stam on this ( for single target ) and tough shield (some amt of block value) to sunward crest because on AoE tanking, you want block, so they take damage from holy shield/BoS.
        however, boss fights you can aggro from other ways, so you don't have to rely on blocks, which later on becomes the least effective avoidance stat. yes, blocks get you threat, but threat shouldnt come at the cost of taking massive hits.
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