LOL Rerolled a hunter cuz my pally tank is useless till the expansion comes out (grinding BGs as a healer/tank is not fun) and was amazed how OP they r in PVE (haven't done any PVP yet, gonna wait til 70).
In Alterac i 1st tried what i assumed was a ridiculous attempt at +4lvl mob and it was easy-heal pet, let them build hate then let the arrows fly-dead mob. Ok i thought, that was pretty sweet, ended up doing quests 5lvls higher than my own (btw u get the same XP as if they were 2lvls higher and only just red), no problemo.
Today i was in Winterspring at 55 and thought y not try the 60G quest to get the crystals near the elite giants, now dont get me wrong i died a few times and oomed every fight, BUT i was soloing 59/60ELITES at 55.
Now tell me Hunters r not OP!?!?!?
ps my gear isnt awesome either, all greens, 32 dps bow,42/05/00 spec, some shitty 30s gear cuz of +agility.

They are not OP.
You are talking about things that I have done and I am sure many others have done with many other classes.

My Paladin can easily kill mabs of four, without a pet even.
He also can kill elites 3-4 levels higher than him.

My Warlock can do even better with his pet.
Frequently killing mobs of 5 - 7 and easily killing
elites 4 - 6 levels higher than him.

If killing multiple mobs and soloing higher level elites = OP
Then I can name at least 4 classes that are OP:
Warlock
Hunter
Paladin
Warrior

Taking out a mob 4 levels higher means you are just doing a good job playing ur hunter, I don't think it makes you overpowered.  Ever rolled a frost mage?  10 mobs 4 levels higher taken out at once using blizzard over and over... now that's what I call overpowered.

Yeah, overpowered for PVE but mage's aren't as effective in PvP IMO.  Warlocks just curse of tongues, fear and dot a mage, Hunters can throw viper sting to drain mana and with a cat or ravager pet it slows casting immensely.  Mages don't stand a chance alone against a druid or rogue because of stuns from the rogue, and stuns/shapeshifting and immunity to polymorph effects from a druid. 

But pertaining to the actual thread, Hunters are not overpowered.  A lot of people think they're more overpowered because they have a pet to send in and literally take no damage in most cases.  What they don't understand is that Rogues have stealth, Druids, Pallys, Priests, and Shamans can heal, Mages have a couple of CC spells and spells to slow the mob down, Warriors have a buttload of armor.  So, one classes strength is a weakness to another.  No class is TRULY over powered. 

All these posts are correct.  Hunters arent OP.  They just have a lot of moves that many ppl are jealous of.  Especially traps and beast wrath.  lol i've actually  had ppl tell me that im cheating in duels when i use beast wrath to ignore fears or traps to do a dot or to freeze them so that i can get back to range.  casters especially hate snake trap and intimidation cuz they interupt casting.  but like everyone else has said, its just the perks of being a hunter.  Rogues can disappear, healers heal, locks fear and dot, shamans have their totems, and plate wearers have crazy armor and take a while to kill.  Everyone has their own lil tricks that make them better in certain situations. but with the right game plan any class/spec can be taken down.  it all comes down to skill. 

now the one thing i would like to see happen is if hunters would be able to throw traps, just 5 yds or so.  That would be so awesome cuz i hate having to run 40 yds to lay a trap to help out, if its needed.  trust me, running into a group to lay a snake trap can help a lot and sometimes makes the targets panic (in pvp).  but i doubt blizz will give us throwing traps...just wishful thinking.  but i would like to know how the talent trees are gonna look like when the expansion kit comes out.  if anyone has any insight on this, please share.

take care all.  good luck and happy hunting

hunters arent overpowered. period. get into higher end instances and group with rogues, locks, mages, ect... theyll out DPS you like crazy! they are good for soloing but alot of classes can solo elites(before BC that is after they get hard) as for pvp... not much different, alot of classes are better in pvp.

hunters would be OP if they could wear plate...that would be sweet.. but i think were underpowered

i am currently a 42 hunter (full BM) that today just went into BG's (just cause i felt like it) and was killing 49 pallys and warriors... both are easy kills for hunters. just drop freezing trap(or ice trap whichever makes the ice sheet) and proceed to kite the hell out of them.  for pallys always start with drain mana sting and switch to serpent when that whers of and CD is still going for other sting.  and procede untill pally is dead.  rouges are easy for 1v1 pop track hidden use flair randomly.  then if rouge hits you pop intimidate,drop freezing trap, pop bestial wrath, then drink a poison removal pot and proceed with kiting like with warrior. and for all spellcasters use rapid fire on them.(if u get feered use insignia of (horde or alliance)trinket and continu killing.
P.S. who cares about spelling anymore:P

lol while u're at it u might as well say hunters shouldnt have pets.  or that priests shouldnt heal, or rogues stealth, or druids shapeshift, or the shammies totems, or plate armor from warriors and pallys.  all of these things are to give every class an advantage over the other classes.  Just b/c they are better at one thing, doesnt mean that they are better at everything.

in reference to the post above, u prolly say hunters are OP b/c u have yet to find a way to beat a hunter.  I think that im very good at pvp but i can say openly that i do get beat by all other classes.  it all comes down to game play and strategy.  U dont like the hunter traps, then go around them.  one tip for this is that if u see a hunter bend down then he/she just layed a trap.  if he layed a trap that means theyre backing up....u should do the same and get out of their range. but hunters arent the toughest to take down....good healers are a pain to fight.  well these are my points of view, im sure ill get critized by someone for something i said.....i always do....but its entertaining.  happy hunting all

There's no way a class with sucky melee skills can be OP.  That's our balance - we're cursed with crappy melee hits.  If we didn't have traps we'd be a real joke.

I don't think that Hunters are Op. Yes, we can dominate in PvP and are frequently top of the charts, HOWEVER, all classes have the ability to whip us, just as we have the ability to whip them. Blizzard really went out of their way to make sure that there is a balance player wise between all the classes, and each class can use their skills to own the other classes. What it comes out to is the player and how they handle themselves.

I practically live in the battlegrounds and yes, I can whoop, and yes, I get whooped. From far away I can send my pet to go eat my marked target and then barrage them with stings, shots, and crippling effects, but then the mages reign hell on me, the shammys whirlwind, the warrior just keeps stunning, and don't get me started on the damn rogues.... you wanna talk about op! Thats just the point tho, every class is evenly matched, both PvP and PvE. You just gotta know your skills, how to sling them, and when to duck and run.

rogue and warriors are the easiest for me as a BM (43/0/18) to take down.  warriors are the easier of the two.  right off the back hit em with concussion shot and slow em down, then lay a snake trap (if u r at least a 68), then just kite them to death.  eventually they well catch up to u and this is when u wing clip and lay another trap.  if u dont have snake trap then use the immolation.  I prefer to give out constant dmg instead of waste frost trap to slow them b/c frost trap and wing clip share the same affect.  Just continue u to kite them.  as long as they are out of melee range they cant do anything to a hunter.  they cant kill u if they cant touch u.  i frustrate many melee classes by doing this.  ive been called a chicken and cheater b/c i as a hunter kite...but thats what hunters are made to do.  the only difference with rogues is that they will vanish and sap u and do a combo on u.  this will take a decent chunk of health, but theres no worries.  just stay calm and kite em.  Casters/ranged classes are a race to see who's attacks are stronger and who has more health.  its basically a shoot out that could go any way.  Healer classes in my opinion are the toughest if a hunter doesnt know how to conserve mana.  this match up is a mana race to see who runs out first.  Which ever one doesnt have mana is dead.  viper sting healers as much as possible b/c they are healers and rely on mana to heal themselves.  in a one-on-one with a healer i always get them down to like 10% health about 3 or 4 times and they always fully heal to recover.  So its like having to kill em 3 or times. (A lil tip:  if u want to rack up a lot of dmg in BGs, go after a healer, they will always heal themselves before others, and if they have a like 8K health, u could get 24K dmg off one kill).  But i kinda threw out some points from other classes to off set hunter's being "OP".  stealth, healing, plate armor, fear, dots, shapeshift, totems.....these are all points that could give arguements to say any class is OP.  the only thing that makes someone OP is the actual player's game play and strategy.  All classes have the same things available to them but not all of them are good at their class.

oh and another thing, in reference to another above post....if hunters could wear plate then all hell would break loose.  there would then be an abundance of tanks/dps with the HUGE # of hunters in all servers.  it would be awesome but it would never happen. 


what i would like to see is for hunters to have the ability to throw a trap instead of running to an exact spot to lay it.  maybe like 5 - 8 yds?  but i also realize this wont happen.  there would be soooo many ppl crying if hunters could do that.  lol  happy hunting all

while we are at it, hunters need a version of lay on hands, and also a polymorph spell and a second pet

lol

I agree rogues are op i mean come on they can stun you long enough to wipe you out and then vanish and take another out. Then they got shadow step which really pisses me off lol. Just on a persoanl note: rogue need nerfed a bit lol.

i have a rogue, and he is lvl 12 but when i go to sap sumthing it always see's me is that because its thw low lvl stealth?

lol rogues are in no way OP.  they are the easiest for me to take  out 1-on-1.  sure they my take a decent chunk outta me in the beginning but its not enough for me to worry or panic.  If u are a BM hunter then it should be easy,  but MM may have a bit of trouble. but sap can be looked at as the same as a hunter using intimidation and then a trap.  and feign death can KINDA be the same as vanish.  that is if u are the hunter and facing a not too smart opponent who really thinks u're dead and then walks away, while u stand up and stab them in the back.  its funny how so many ppl in BGs fall for FD even tho ur pet is still there and attacking them.

I'm not one of those to fall for feign death *grin*  Guess because I have a 62 hunter as well in addition to my 70 lock :)

Huners are OP when u r BM...i am 67 and i kick an lvl 70 with 10k rogue and he poting too...
that was in a duel :)

all that means is that u faced a rogue with 10K health that didnt know what he/she was doing.  BM, MM, SV....they can all be beat.  It all comes down to the strategy of the other player....yet some how ppl dont understand this.  U can have all the epic gear u want, but if u dont know how to play ur class correctly then u will get owned every single time.  the class/spec isnt OP.....its the actual person controling the toon.  Its all based on skill and understanding of how other classes play.  do some research on the net and u can find a way to beat any class no matter what u are.  but i like doing it the hard way, and find out how to beat ppl thru trial and error....u learn a lot by just continually fighting others (whether u win or lose). 

Ok, i've got some major issues with what you're saying on a ton of issues. No chance vs a hunter unless they're 5 levels lower and you are twinked? in order to have a chance in PVP the hunter has to be 10 levels lower than you? dude, wtf kind of players do you hang out with. first off, when everyones gear is equal, there is no reason a paly, warrior, rogue or warlock can't easily take down a hunter in about 10 seconds flat. either you're a horrible PVP player, or you gear sucks.
i have a 70 hunter, as well as a 70 rogue, warrior and.... a lock, i've spent a ton of time in PVE and PVP, so i know what i'm talking about.
as a hunter, yeah, i can take down any noob player obviously, but against any player that's worth half their weight, a 70 tauren warrior for instance, will charge right after you use your concussive shot, get within striking distance, and hamstring the hell outta you. Then, what do you do? not much you can do as a hunter if the opposing player got his trinket ready. a good 70 player with any kind of decent weapons and armor will be able to stay close enough throughout to keep hamstringing you, and their melee will be strong enough to drop you inside of the time it takes for your trap to cooldown. and, there's no guarantee a frost trap will even work.the higher you get, the better of a chane there will be that an opposing player will resist a frost trap. i know, because i've played both sides. as a hunter, i can take out almost anyone in the game because i know how to play them, and very well at that.
when i use my warrior, i'm like white on rice when it comes to getting in a hunters face. and, you said you'd be at 50% health by the time you get to them, not a chance. as a warrior with my gladiator set, i don't care what hunter is shooting at me, there's no chance in hell he'll have me down anywhere past 75-80% health by the time i'm in his face and opening a can of whoop a$$.
if you can't kill a hunter at your level, twinked or otherwise, you're doing something severly wrong. if you can't beat a hunter unless he's 10 levels below you,then either you're completely horrible at PVP in general, or you're fighting the greatest twinks on planet earth.
And a level 23 in STV taking on mobs, dude, you're obviously mistaken. STV as you know has beasts and mobs anywhere from low 30's, up to some of the gorillas in the high 40's, low 50's.
i don't care who the hunter was, there's no way he was taking out mobs by himself, not a chance, no shape or form.
i twinked my hunter at 19, 29 and again at 59. yeah, i could take on beasts and players 8-10 levels higher than me, but it's not like it was an easy chore. and whenever i did so, it's only cause the player was a noob. i also spent a ton of time leveling in STV after i twniked at 29, and there's no way i was taking out mobs at that level, the reason... is because when an enemy is 10+levels higher than you, half your attacks on him will get a small percentage of what the dps should be, and your traps like frost will be completely ineffective.
as for my rogue and my lock, i chew up and spit out hunters. Lock, just fear, DoT, rinse, repeat. and my rogue, ya, let me see a hunter try and drop a trap when i'm behind him and start beating him like a red headed stepchild. i can drop an epic geared hunter in about 15 seconds with my rouge.
and saying that hunters need to be nerfed by taking away traps, bigger cooldowns, ok, no prob, now just lets take away a paly's ability to heal, lets not let warlocks use fear, rogues can no longer sap, gouge or stealth... WTF!!!
dude, everyone has to play the game to the strength of their class, and if you can't take a hunter who's equally leveled, then you obviously can't play your class very well, or you need to be a hunter so you can play and learn the tricks they use so you'll have useful info for how to fight them properly

sorry if i'm coming across the wrong way, i really don't want to sound mean spirited towards you or anything, but i just think you've had a small amount of experience with a limited number of situations. i'm on a huge PVP realm with some of my toons, and i'm on other realms that are highly populated and what you're saying just doesn't fit the bill of what the norm is? NO class is OP, it's all about the player that's using that particular toon and his or her ability and skill with that particular class

ok im a pally and yes hunters are tuff to take down but every class has advantages and i do take hunters down at times like i said its tuff but just because you kill something 4 lvls higher than you i did that as a pally we heal and wear plate like i said every class has its advanages

no offense to u TrueSmoke, but all those classes u play, i have taken down all of them some with ease with my hunter.  even fully geared toons, while i still have a few green items at lvl 70.  like u mentioned, some players don't know how to play.  however, im not one of those players that doesnt know how to play a hunter.  The biggest mistake a lot of hunters make in pvp fights is popping wrath or traps a lil too soon.  hunters also dont realize which aspect to have on for different classes.  aspect of the hawk should only be used on other ranged classes (hunters, casters, healers) for that increase in AP.  then for melee, have aspect of the monkey....why have aspect of the hawk up if u arent going to be at ranged for very long, u might as well increase ur dodge to avoid a few hits.  and if u have enough points in SV u can get deterence for and extra boost in dodge and parry.  with aspect of monkey, dodge is up to 50% with 25% parry, then scorpid sting for another 5% reduction in hit chance...this comes out to 80% chance that u will not be hit for about 10secs.  and if u are a dwarf pop stoneskin for 10% increase in armor for 8 secs to reduce whatever dmg u do take.  Then once these defenses are used up, just pop intimidation and lay a snake trap to put a dot on them and to slow their attack speed. wing clip when they get out and kite.  For ranged, just shoot away and hope u hit harder than they do and stay at max range at all times.  for locks, u cannot avoid dots, but u can try to freeze their demons.  mages are tough without wrath to get out of nova or to get ur pet out of poly.  against healers u need to out last their mana...pallys are the toughest to do this to with lay of hands.  no mana = no heals which means dead healer.  but Viper sting should be used on all casters and healers.  its all in strategy.  hopefully these things gave other hunters a bit of insight to help in fights and help others understand the skills of a hunter.  All these things can help in pvp fights....and it can help other classes get around what hunters can do.  i'd like to see others use this info against hunters and come and beat us.  why not make things fair and give knowledge to others to use.

Take growl away? Are you fucking retarded? Honestly have you ever played a god damn hunter? SERIOUSLY?! OH OH OH GROWL IS WHY HUNTERS ARE OP!!!! We use it for one god damn reason PV-freakin-E to keep aggro off of us. It in no way NOOOOOOOO WAY affects any pvp situation. Just do us all a favor and never NEVER open your mouth...EVER. Game, set, shut up.

BTW Pallywompus, If you are a pally. I think pallys shouldn't heal and they shouldn't have plate oh oh oh you know what how about whatever character you play is just nerfed to a freakin target for everyone to beat on???? HMMMMMM???? I think that's only fair if you wanna destroy our hunter class. No traps, HA, 5 min cd's, HAAAA, Just cause you can't play well enough to beat a hunter doesn't mean you should throw out ridiculous things like that. Learn to play instead of bitchin. Hmmm you must be alliance right? Screw it negative fade post here I come...

i agree, we dont have enuf burst damage o rproper cc abilities to compensate if growl was taken awa. we're good at pve (BM) i admit i was a hunter leveling in areas was above my zone..

neways we're ranged, and in pvp at 70 everything evens out so stop crying. at low levels we're good at pvp but in the end it depends on player, spec and other guy. if u are 70 then its your fault you suk

very much agreed with what evryone else is saying, it's all about the player, nothing to do with any class being overpowered. for every hunter that seems to be OP, there's another that gets 3-hit and killed. depends on gear, depends on the player and your skill level.

But did anyone read or notice that part about him seeing a level 23... 23! supposedly taking down mobs in STV! ok, lets all be realistic and stop saying ridiculous crap and stop completely exaggerating, LOL

ok.. id be the only one agreeing with the opinion that hunters are overpowered. there are some conditions though.
1. dont melee..
2. turn growl off in pvp and group pve (if hes not OT) and turn it on in solo pve.
3. in pvp, use wingclip as much as u fukin can, its almost 0 mana and slows the target significantly.
4. for pvp, (if u specc and play for it) if u have a cat, pls UNLEARN growl and put prowl, dash, bite and claw
5. dont use Freezing Trap in Arena. Why? well insignia of the horde or just one attack. use frost circle trap and run around it using kite-shots such as : silencing shot, scatter shot, stings, arcane shot and rarely multi shot and SS.
6. ive seen many hunters do this and its quite a shame.. if u see an enemy and are going to attack it.. HUNTER'S MARK is essential and you end up doing plus 40 dps at 70.. do u have any idea what 40 dps is?
7. dont mess with sl/sl locks if they have better gear than you. there is NO hunter that has found a way of doing so.
8. l2kite. seriously, it is THE most important skill a hunter player can have.
9. be pro at changing aspects, AoH when steady shooting, viper when arena, monkey when kiting, and never use cheetah unless ur kiting a few miles away (beware the daze).
10. this is for the noob hunters.. never... EVER.. use the almost-official quote.. "hunter wep!" and ninja.


happy pwning,

Alscale
70 B-elf Hunter
Ahn' Qiraj

TYVM Allscale.  u are one of the few ppl that has mentioned changing aspects depending on situations.  that is a very vital part of a hunters skill and effectiveness.  i mentioned it before but not many hunters realize that other aspects are just as important in certain situations.