Im sick of L2p and being told i suck. I'm a level 70 protection warrior.I've been protection from the begining, and i still have alot of trouble keeping the aggro.I've read the forums on how to tank,and i do all the things i've read,but still in instances i can only keep so much aggro before im running all over the room trying to get the aggro back from the rest of the group.I need help without being told im a noob,believe me ive heard it b4.

well try this:
1. Mark the kill order (If you dont already do that), this will help know what mobs to focus on'
2. Your move priorty should go something like this:
1.Shield slam (highest threat move)
2.thunderclap(if there are mulitple mobs)
3. revenge
4. sunder
devastate(after achieving 5 sunders just spam this move).
*If you need keeping aggro tell the party to start attacking after you thunderclap. This will make sure you'll get some decent aggro
3. use thunderclap constantly and and try to spam sunders and switch targets to keep aggroon multiple targets.

Thank you ,i hadn't been useing sunder since i got devistate.I thought it was the same just did more damage.ill put it back on my action bar,also i try not to thunder clap too much so people dont freak out on me for poppin sheep or trapped mobs,but i do perfer to use it.

Ok my tactics are a little different.

Thunderclap is a luxury that is not always available to you when CC is an issue.  You must start by telling your dps not to attack until you get some initial threat.

Always start with Bloodrage.  Never start a fight without enough rage to do any of your high threat spells as it is an invitation for someone to pull aggro off you.

Start with a Shield Slam.  This is your highest threat spell and if you have used your bloodrage you have enough rage for this right from the start.  By the time the cooldown has expired you will have enough for Devastate and away you go.  Use Revenge whenever it is up.  The threat from this is huge and costs virtually no rage.

Sunder armor has no place on your taskbar.  Get rid of it, Devastate does the same thing and then some.  Never use sunder, use devastate.

If tanking multiples then I would start as above with a shield slam followed by a thunderclap if CC is no issue.  Then lay a devastate on the skull.  By now u have enough threat on the main target to cycle through the others.  Apply one devastate to each then back to the skull.  Lay 2 more devastates on him then cycle through the others again.  By the time you get back to the skull he will almost be dead.  Just repeat the process.

Happy tanking

Remember that it's not ALWAYS the tanks fault if aggro is pulled off him. Your group needs to realize it may take a few secs for you to get stable on threat before they can lay down heavy dps, especially when you have multiple targets to hold.
As far as technique goes, different tanks will tank differently. Meaning some people favor certain moves that others may use sparingly, so you'll need to find what works for you. But here are a few tips/rules that'll help no matter how you do things.

- Hit BLOODRAGE before u pull (as was stated in another post) so you have some rage in the bank to work with.
- Mob positioning is important, so if you can't THUNDERCLAP right away due to the proximity of CCed mobs blow a DEMORALIZING SHOUT while the group is still clumped together, then when CCs are up move your target/targets out of range of sheeps or seds or what-have-you.
- You'll wanna hit the target thats currently being dps'd once for every time you hit a secondary target. So lets say your tanking 3 targets; A, B and C, with A being the main. You'd hit A, then hit B, then back to A, then switch to C, then hit A again, like so.
- Take advantage of the low-rage moves like REVENGE and SHIELD BASH (the one that interrupts casting). SHIELD BASH brings in a decent amount of threat for being so cheap, even if you're not interrupting a cast.
- Don't forget about HEROIC STRIKE and CLEVE (now that it doesn't break CC). Some people opt not to use these moves too often cause of their rage cost, but for trash you should have a set (or at least a few pieces) that focus on mitigation over avoidance, so rage should be abundant.
- It's good to have CONCUSSIVE BLOW and SHIELD SLAM ready if you happen to lose one of you targets and it takes off after a clothy.
- Unless your tanking w/ a spec other than prot, DEVASTATE is your bread and butter, no need to even have sunder on your bar. Also remember to keep SHIELD BLOCK up whenever possible. You'll want the improved SHIELD BLOCK talent as well.
- Use BATTLE SHOUT for trash, COMMANDING SHOUT for bosses (in most cases)

Lastly, remember to talk to the other people in your group. Let em know the order and get on em if they're chronic aggro  stealers. Hope something in this post helps ya out. Good Luck.

I tank 5 mobs at once without problem.

Just remember your in charge. I actualy went trough 8 DP for one heroic SP. Seeing a Seed of corruption at the start of the pul isnt a good thing for exampl...

I use skul first, cros second, square thirth, unmarkd las on a fourmobpul.

I run in, let al mobs get me on the treattable(they al come to you),hit bloodrage, give skul a shieldslam and thunderclap(no cc=no need to watch out for cc :-))

revenge procs, give that to the cros, get back to skul, give it a devastate(skul is down by now) thunderclap again, give a shield slam to it(a SS is enough treat on a foccused target)

I think devastate is the least used move on trash, disarm, conc. blow, shield bash are al better imo.

I think you all have some sweet advice, but one thing I don't think you guys covered and might want to, is: tanking casters, or basically, anything ranged while tanking melee at the same time.  Basically,  if your caster's arne't cced or you end up marking one as x, would you guys agree it's best to tank it with a shield reflect?  W/o having to dev or rev or shield slam it?  I'm not sure,  b/c often the group wants me to pull the mobs in, and I personally Like to pull every mob closer to a group b/c I'm scared melee dps or a mob will run into another mob, and we all know how that ends up.  Tanking all melee is really easy I think, it's just when you have to tank melee and ranged at the same time; thats where I have trouble keeping aggro w/o running around all over the place. 

As far as tanking ranged attackers go i think the best thing to do is be aware of the casters and ranged dps before you attack. Sheep where you can and if that is not an option, when you pull, target the ranged attackers first even if they are 2nd in the kill order this grabs their aggro, then move around a corner or out of their LOS (line of sight). this will then force them to come to you allowing you to hit them and still tank the melee or 1st in the kill order as well. Hunters can also use this as a tactic to trap ranged dps.

improved shield bash works great and u can walk em back to the group, hunter has silence shot, casters have counters and steals that will make mob caster run towards the group. spell reflect on multiple casters is great too

2 errors here, imp. SB is useless in PvE unles maybe on the ghosts in Karazhan.

spel reflect DOESNT give aggro to the mobs.

On-topic, let the rogue/mage/furywarrir rip it appart, there mostly not that dangerous.

Dewskee87, if ranged and melee mobs need to be tanked together for whatever reason, the right tactic depends on the surroundings.
Ideally you would pull the ranged in w/ the rest of group by leaving its LOS right after making the pull. There isn't always a corner or obstruction in which to do that, so if the room is congested and taking that group where they stand is not an option AND the path behind u is clear...
I would start by having my group stand further back than they normally would for a pull. I would then make the pull and run back towards the group and out of the casters range causing it to move in a little closer to put a safe distance between it and other non-aggro'd mobs. after Dem shout and a TC on the melee targets im required to hold, I would either quickly bust out berserker stance and intercept the ranged mob or just hit reflect (if it's a caster)and move over to it.
When in range I'd shield bash, interrupting a cast and putting that SOM silence on it which would force it to follow me in to a spot where I can hold it and the other targets I'm tankin w/ out runners or the melee DPS in my group being a prob. If its a hunter-kinda whatever you'd call it ranged mob, just put a little threat on it and move it back by staying inside its range, causing it to melee and follow u.

never implied spell reflect was an agro building tool, just a tool to mitigate some dmge after u pull back a caster group using shield bash to gain a couple of seconds of silence, so they run after u


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2 errors here, imp. SB is useless in PvE unles maybe on the ghosts in Karazhan.

spel reflect DOESNT give aggro to the mobs.

On-topic, let the rogue/mage/furywarrir rip it appart, there mostly not that dangerous.

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Shield bash silence the school of magic the mob was using with 0/2 imp.

With 2/2 it has a 100% change to silence a mob for al schools, but because most mobs only have one school of magic the 2/2 is a waste. tried it, dumped it.

Use omen to monitor threat of your party.  Every so often ill get a group that has one or two guys that either dont follow the kill order, or dont monitor their threat.  Tell them if they dont youll boot them out (only works if your party leader).  Mages and dps warriors usually have the most problems keeping threat in check.  I have actually asked a dps warrior to use an alt weapon or armor set to reduce the amount of threat he is causing. 

My view is this, your job is to get aggro on the top two targets right away, dont forget conc. blow can give you 6 extra seconds to gain aggro on a second target.  Then it is up to you to watch out for only the top two targets and keeping mobs off the healer.  If the party follows the kill order, the target of the moment and any attacking the healer are the only two that matter.  I also use a macro that will allow me to tab over to a specific target and intervene to target of the target, then taunt to regain aggro.  Works much better than selecting the healer, then invtervene, then switch back to the mob and taunt. 

Tanking is also very gear dependent.  If you just hit 70, i dont recommend tanking heroics till you get all blue gear and a 1hs with a dps rating of at least 80 dps before buffs. 

i like that, do u mind copy/pasting that intervene-taunt macro for us here.
thank you

I don't play a warrior at this point, so I can only tell you what me the huntard and the mage in my regular 5 man get crap for.

Forgetting to turn growl off (your so use to having it on that it is an easy step to forget)

Not watching the threat meter, you have to watch the dps if that means dialing back on the damage, so be it.

Since this group is a bunch of work buddies we are able to use the Omen threat meter. if we don't keep an eye on it it is still easy to lay out too much damage and pull agro. DPS'ers have to really watch this when there are above the lvl of the tank. A couple of lucky resists combined with a poorly timed crit and the mob is on the run.

Not burning down the right target, one thing I still stuggle on is getting on the right target. I sometimes forget an play like I do with the pet what ever the pet has focus on I kill. We do mark mobs for priority but I forget that the tank may not be always beating on #1 and I forget to double check for the mark. At the moment I pick up the tanks focus, the tank may be beating on #3 or #4 just to generate agro (Stacking sunder armor pops to mind but I don't know if it is actually what is happening or a southpark flash back). So if I pound on one of those I could easily pull them off.

aulrich those are some good things to watch for. Hunters, Mages and Rogues (sometimes DPS warrs) are classes I occasionally have problems w/ in PUGs.
As the above post stated, when ur tank is a warr u can't rely on targeting his target if there are multiple mobs. Warrs need to switch back and forth between targets to properly hold them all.
Best to just follow the order, ask ur tank to repeat what exactly the order is if you've forgotten or whatever so the correct target is gettin burned 1st.