Okay, I can just predict how this is going to go...BUT...

While I have met some really fun and great people playing WoW for the past few months, there is an absolute epidemic of discourteous behavior on there. For instance, the other day some blood elf decided to randomly spit on me as I was taking a boat ride. I told a girl I dated a few times that I started playing WoW and she said she quit after some jerk off walked up to her and typed "Sir Douchebag rapes you"...an by the way, she's a rape victim. So...not funny! Some other bonehead ambushed me on my way to to Scarlet Monastery, right after I'd drunk a fortune in potions, killed me because I'd buffed someone set for pvp and so my pvp was on and didn't notice, and he corpse camped me for about a half hour. Me and the group I was with got him banned, so I hope he had fun.

My theory is that you take your average know it all teenager with a chip on his shoulder, give him a gigantic elephant, armor that glows and the ability to rain down meteor strikes at will, you're going to wind up with a junior Napoleon 9 times out of ten.

So guys and gals....just chill out would you? Grow up a little and learn some basic courtesy. I thought the idea here was chivalry and nobility and courage, not you getting back at the world because the girls at school won't go to the prom with you.

Like I said, I can just hear some of you seething out there, and just wait with baited breath for the innumerable juvenile witticisms like "You suck!" and "Shut up! You're probably a druid anyway!"

But just....grow up would ya?

Well I am here to offer you the exact opposite of what may still be to come.

Join our Alliance guild on Dunemaul.
We are looking for respectful and mature players.
We would love to have you.

http://freewebs.com/thoughtrobots

aha too funny...

no offense but I don't think any teenagers would go on thottbot forums read this complaint and actually show some courtesy.. You know, Im a teenager too and we're going through a thing called puberty... It might be hard on some teenagers and they might take that anger out online.

Yeah, I went through puberty too, and no, it isn't any fun.

In my day though, there wasn't anyway to hide behind an avatar and a screen name. I'm not saying I was a perfect teenager, or even that I'm a perfect adult now, but if I did something rude to someone it happened it the real world and there were consequences. The back of my dad's hand or my mother screeching at me for starters, but some of what I've seen goes well beyond that.

Let's take the spitting example, which was generated because someone else decided it was IC to hate me for my race. Do you know what they call spitting on someone for racially based reasons in the real world? Aggravated Assault.

Or the Douchebag who freaked out my ex so bad. Imagine walking up to a woman on the street and saying "I'm going to rape you". That's considered assault too.

But because as everyone says "It's just a game" these things are considered all right. They're even encouraged. Personally I don't think the spit emote should even exist.

So all you rude teens out there...yeah, puberty is a special time for all of us, but there's nothing fictional about being really rude.

I am sure I have written this in another post somewhere, but anyways...

It doesn't matter if it's real world or WoW world, there are nice people, and some that no matter what you do, are just complete idiots...WoW however does have a good advantage in that you can simply put the idiots on ignore list...would love that feature IRL...LMAO!!!

But as the Mad Russian (LOL) said...feel free to have yourself and your GF join us on the Dunemaul server for some fun WoW times...

Um, there are mature teens (and children) and immature adults as well.

As for your complaint, 1) It's not his fault you didn't turn off your flag and 2) Ignore list is your friend.
And by the way, just wait 5 minutes after you die, and un-flag yourself.

Is it really that hard?

EDIT: It's not a bannable offense to camp someone, is it?

EDIT 2: Nope it isn't. The camper probably just got bored.

AFAIK the camper hasn't been banned, because he didn't actually do anything wrong

This isn't the real world; the same rules need not apply. And by the way, a Rogue is supposed to be the antithesis of righteousness, justice, and all that other whatnot. By 'lore' (mangled though it is), they don't really care how you think at all.

Rude teenager (without shining armor or elephant, but w/e) right here. Flame me all you want.

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Not if everyone else can do it too, amirite?

any emote can be hand typed into the game.
I will not tell you how to do so here as I do not want to be an enabler for such behavior.

But it is NOT a preset emote, you have to hand type one like that in yourself.

A macro. (or not)

E.g.

/yell <typeyournamehere> rapes %t

And so the %t becomes whoever you are targeting.

I wish Thottbot would make a WYSIWYG comment box instead of having to type the tags in every time.  /sigh

@MacDog5: You probably are already aware of the things I am about to bring up, but I am going to reiterate my thoughts after being born, being aware, and being in a living, breathing, ever-changing environment and of course, you can ask your girlfriend and anyone else to read this.

If you, by yourself are born and never leave the comfort and security of your own home, you will never have to face a variety of experiences outside.  In fact, you will only be faced with the limitations of your home environment.  You can grow up functional in that sort of setting regardless.

Of course, on the other hand, you can just as well be born and be exposed to the world outside.  Once you're exposed to that world, you are then faced an infinite 'amount' of opportunities and experiences. 

Here's a rhetorical question for you: Have you ever been through elementary school? 

The answer to that rhetorical question is probably: Yes, you have. 

Now my comment about that is very simple: From kindergarten to roughly grade six and/or seven, you have probably witnessed various degrees of personalities, laughter, bullying, fun, pain, scolding from parents and/or teachers, sports day, losing, winning, being called a name, calling a name, etc, etc, etc.

Right?

Elementary school is such a small place at a time when our minds and emotions are at their most-raw state. 

I brought this up because like elementary school and beyond that, so long as we expose ourselves to a living, breathing, ever-changing environment outside the comfort of our own homes, we will continuously be faced with every facet of life through the perspective of the world.

Do not think that World of Warcraft is "just a game".  A game is "just a game" when it is played by yourself and/or if there are mutual partners who is sharing that game with you to have a good time.  Do not forget this: World of Warcraft IS a virtual community of REAL people.  The game aspect of this virtual community is the application - that's all.

Yes, of course, I'm agreeing with you that people should show the most basic courtesy when addressing others.  I would do the same in public - either I greet a passerby a "good morning" (jo sun), or wave and nod at someone cutting their lawn while I cycle by, or I would completely ignore everyone and just do my own thing.  However, you won't see me blatantly stir up crap just to get attention or to 'fit in' with my peers.

With that said and out of the way.  Of course, like the examples I gave at the beginning of my comments about staying at home for the rest of your life or being exposed to the world, what I am saying here is that you can either A) segregate yourself from different experiences that bring you varying opportunities, or B) continue to live through those experiences and learn to live in them as you do out of virtual reality.

In my time through World of Warcraft, I've been exposed to TONS of immature, inconsiderate, trolling, ganking bastards and bitches.  "TONS" is severely understated.  With that, I've canceled by subscription a few times and went back to it a month or two later, or I would move servers to start 'anew'.

As you can see, I still play it.  Why?  Because the game itself is enjoyable.  Certain situations and environments may not be to my liking, but that is the exact same thing as sharing the space of other living people - out at a store, a mall, a street, a park, at school, at work, at the theatre, etc, etc, etc.  What do you do when you don't like it?  Move away (log off and come back later), tell them to be more considerate - doesn't work?  Go to another place to level, etc. 

A few days ago, a player said the same thing that you said happened to your girlfriend.  S/he /emoted "Player has raped you."  What did I do?  I blinked twice, took a sip of my tea, answered a phone call, texted my friend about the weekend hotpot thingy, then scrolled the chat box up and right clicked the player's name and clicked "Ignore". 

Of course, the world is full of assholes, some of them covered with crap, but I have had the chance to party up with some really great people through WoW.  I even had the chance to meet two players out of virtual reality, at a local pub and talked about other things besides WoW.

I share your grief but I wouldn't be so narrow minded to stop playing WoW altogether.  That is no different than say I would stop living life altogether.

If you have gone far enough through life, then you know about perception and tact.  So next time you're faced with crap from those immature pieces of bastardly/bitching shites, some perception and tact would go a long way in helping you deal with people like that.

BTW, the Thottbot forum is 'slightly' different than the WoW forums and that "slightly" is severely understated as well.  ^_~

You see, those who initiate crap in-game and in a forum are usually people who seek one or more of the following:

1) attention
2) an exhaust outlet for their real-life issues
3) to promote their 'wit' when faced with anonymous faces - it's easy to hide behind a monitor than to face opponents in person
4) to satisfy an unyielding ego to be 'right'

So whatever you 'predicted' might happen here, most likely will not happen.  /chuckles  Along with myself, there are other members here whom have in one way or another, most likely have hurt the feelings of the young-uns that come here and try to troll. 

There has been a recent thread about anal penetration.  You see, there wasn't much of a flame fest there.  Whoever created that topic simply did not get enough of a satisfaction.  Especially met with replies like the ones you've probably seen throughout general forum. 

A good elixir is to simply ignore or answer in an insightful way.  This method causes the trolls to either A) stop or B) get angry themselves and then stop.

Of course, it doesn't always work, but unlike those who spend massive quantities of time on the net for what reason, I do have other things to do.  I would say it's hardly "an entire day" spent here, if I only roughly come here for about 15 to 25 minutes every day or so.

Replying to Enigma Punch 495.5 seconds from the past...


Actually, what I think is that it's not actually typed this way:

/rape Player = unidentified command (?)

Instead, I think it was typed like this:

/emote rapes Player = "PlayerX rapes PlayerY"

Maybe Blizzard should censor the word Rape.  It's not a positive word, no matter how anyone uses it.

Well said Ginseng...

Just out of curiosity though...the "<insertname> rapes you"...I was under the impression that was a comment made by another player, but from reading Ginsengs comment, this may have been an emote?

Does this game seriously have an emote about raping another player?

If so, then that is a serious black mark against Blizzard...and I would be surprised if there were not legal ramifications with them seen to be seemingly condoning such actions...

One emote I will not be testing...

No I don't think so.

Maybe it just makes it orange text?

completly agree with this and gin.. although i wouldnt of thought blizz would make such a obsurde emote? i do no that you can type your own emotions in by simply clicking the emote in the action bar .ie * feena shoots herself in the foot by mistake* this dosent work with the opposite faction though

/e joins the rant

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yeah well ..
this happens all over the net, in a lot of games
people that are not behaving too well in real life can misbehave online even more, since its not really punished or at least does not pose a real life risk of getting beaten up or w/e...

well .. its not really nice evolution in general, and im not going to say learn to live with it but for now i suggest using /ignore ;)

FEENA and Ginseng are right about the emote.
Blizzard does NOT have a default /rape emote.

You have to hand type in that emote command.

And as far as I have ever seen, only same faction characters can read hand written emotes, while everyone can read default emotes.

lol, What does that mean?


Courtesy and respect are hard to find. You have to give in order to receive. Juvenile behavior is oft self centered. When immature people feel negatively, they may try to make others feel as they do.

Maturity is understanding that everyone has problems and choosing not to pass yours on. It's expressed in many different ways, the golden rule, prisoners dilemma, karma, etc.

Give less trouble to others and you will get less trouble from them. It's your choice.

Here is a philisophical view to consider.

If everyone was always polite, how would we know if someone was being polite?

Unfortunately, evil defines good.  Can not seem to have one without the other.

This is the reason the first Matrix failed, humans define their existance through suffering.

We had our one chance for bliss in the Garden of Eden, then someone had to eat an apple.  Your only other chance at a perfect society is heaven.  And getting there is no walk in the park.

I am sorry to hear that people experience things like this in a game, but quite honestly, I would rather hear of these sad events happening in a game than in real life on the news every night.

Okay, some interesting responses in here...not that many but some.

No, I'm sure the person didn't know my friend had been raped before. Are you saying that makes it okay. Yes it was the same faction and hand typed.

Trust me. I use the ignore function with great frequency.

What I find truly fascinating with this thread is that the implication in the majority of these responses is that because I've made a rather obscure call for people to show courtesy the implication is I am doing something wrong or that I am somehow weak. One person even seemed to state that I never leave the house or barely got through elementary school. Or that when someone is discourteous to me I curl into a ball in the closet and cry for hours. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Courtesy is not earned. Respect is earned, that's slightly different, but just because someone hasn't earned your respect doesn't mean that they don't deserve your courtesy. Courtesy is supposed to be a given. Some bum on the street asks me for a quarter I'm courteous about it whether I give it to him or not.

If I can return the favor of psychoanalysis, I think a lot of people treat others like crap because in truth they loathe themselves. And I guess when I say teenagers I suppose there are certain teenagers in their thirties. So certain immature maladjusted people think it is okay to be discourteous because they feel like they are returning the favor of making someone else feel bad when instead they are simply perpetuating a cycle which might possibly change if a few people spoke out and took some responsibility. Forgive me if I am trying to be one of those people. I guess I'm just a weak human being who doesn't know how to use the ignore function.

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Rude teenager (without shining armor or elephant, but w/e) right here. Flame me all you want.

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Not if everyone else can do it too, amirite?[/quote]

So if everyone in my neighborhood has a gun, it's okay for us to all shoot each other? You're right, that makes perfect sense.

Many of the people with those kinds of powers on the game DON"T turn into jerk-offs. They look for ways to help people out.

You asked me how I know they're teenagers, because you guys are so damn obvious. "Flame me all you want"? I'm sorry, would anyone over 14 actually say something like that? Or maybe you're 16, sorry. If so, you're that much closer to kissing a girl, so just hold on a little longer. Try that apricot scrub, it will help your complexion.

You see? Discourtesy is earned. You earned it.

Woaw did not mean it was okay, even when people don't know that your girlfriend had been raped.  He was merely making a comment about that.  The fact of the matter is regardless of whether the knowledge of knowing was there or not, it remains that different personalities with different senses of humor will come up during the course of your life throughout various environments.


You're assuming too much.  As I have a 2nd post on this thread about "WYSIWYG" - aka "What you see is what you get", I meant exactly what I was saying but I did not mention at all at any time that you are weak NOR are you doing anything wrong.


Again, you assumed that I have called you weak, that you never get out of the house, and that you barely got through elementary school.

I believe that you are too used to having trolls flame in your other threads at other forums, that you're assuming that I am calling you weak, loner, and uneducated.  No, I have not once called you anything. 

Those were rhetorical questions with an answer to that rhetorical question.  It was meant to give you perspective on how things are in the world. 

I shook my head in slight irritation and mild frustration when I read your comment above.

/sigh

I mention the elementary school example because elementary school takes up about 7 or 8 years of our initial lives.  That's a short period of time, compared to the rest of our possible lives.  If we live for 85 to 90 years, that means we still have about 75 to 80 years ahead of us.  I mentioned this because in such a short period of time, at that youth, we are still exposed to such various experiences of both bad and good.  In such a small environment, we are exposed to a variety of personalities.  Whether they are wrong, right, or a hybrid of them, that just shows how broad the world can be.  You either accept this fact of the world or you can simply segregate yourself from it by leaving it and not ever experiencing it.

I gave that example of someone who never leaves the house and someone who does exposes him or herself to the world, because it was supposed to give you perspective on how the world works.  My gosh, I even mentioned in the beginning of my comment that you most likely already know all of this, but I was going to reiterate my thoughts to reaffirm your possible perception of all of this.

Like I said, I never once said you are weak, nor are you a loner, nor are you uneducated.  A little perception goes a long way, as I have mentioned in my first post.


When Scuffl said "Courtesy and respect are hard to find. You have to give in order to receive. Juvenile behavior is oft self centered. When immature people feel negatively, they may try to make others feel as they do."

He did not mean that courtesy is equaled to respect, nor is courtesy earned.  Again, a little perception goes a long way. 

It should be a given that courtesy should be automatic and expressed through a neutral usage in any shared environment.  I believe I have briefly mentioned this in my first post. 


Sarcasm without perspective is usually interpreted as the building block for a flame.  If you had through a little perception read my comments or anyone's comments, you would have known that no one had called you a name in any of the posts.  On the other hand, in your first post, you opened the thread by assuming that anyone or some people who may reply to your thread will flame you.  On top of that, you assumed that any flamer would be a teenager, though you tried to rejustify your comment with "I guess when I say teenagers I suppose there are certain teenagers in their thirties."

Of course, I've done something similar before, but I wouldn't be so bold to assume that everyone will flame me and call me names if I open up a legitimate topic at a forum of sorts.  There is the possibility, but it is not set in stone.

Remember, a large part of maturity is understanding a situation and knowing what to do and what not to do in that given situation.  Emotions will get in the way for sure, but reasoning and logic coupled with those emotions, will surely help you in deciding what you should do versus what you might and would have done.

I have written an article about this sometime in the past.  I'll reiterate the tidbit that is the most clear in reference to the assumption of someone who may be a teenager.

"The maturity of a person is not based on his or her years but based on the upbringing, the knowledge attained, and the influences of her immediate surroundings on a consistent matter.  This is of course, being aside from mental deficiencies and such.

When we say anyone whom may not be as mature as what we think act like teenagers, we are assuming that generally or that all teenagers are immature.  Why do we assume that?  Because we associate teenagers with puberty, high developing hormones that causes our minds to work in raw behavior, usually to fit in with our peers and such, to get attention, to counter our own raw youthful emotions.

In reality, anyone at any given age can act any way.  A lot of maturity has to do with perception of a given situation and knowing yourself, and having the ability to deal with those given situations. 

A person can be 70 years old, have a lot of experience in his/her life, and through various scenarios, give great advice and suggestion, and still act rash and rudely to some circumstances.  It's all about why do they act that way.  You can't accurately say that they act that way because they have the mind of a teenager.  In fact, I have met teenagers that are more mature than people in their 40's, 50's, and 60's.  I have also met perceptive toddlers who know what to do and what not to do, than some teenagers and adults who have very little perception on any given situation."

Anyway, that's my tidbit.

Congratulations Macdog...You have just managed to successfully troll your own thread...

The majority of the people here were actually offering advice and being reasonably sympathetic to your issue, and then you completely take their comments out of context...

Ginseng has not called you anything of the sort, but was merely relating situations to better explain his scenario to you...perhaps reading his comments in their entirety would have resolved this issue...

Ginseng, I agree, I had to chuckle at the comment as well...if I hadn't I may have flamed...LOL

:P

Not everyone is an ass. Today I had a level ?? Priest (The character I was playing is level 41 atm) following me through hillsbrad for about 5 minutes. She finally caught up to me and Feared me.

When the fear wore off she just buffed me and did /smile, which I thought was awesome XP

You gotta keep faith, there are some nice people out there still.

As far as the /Spit thing is concerned, I play on silverhand, which is SUPPOSED to be a roleplay server. If my character has a strong contempt for a certain race.

Which my undead hates humans and wants to fight as soon as they get off the boat, I think spitting speaks for itself as a character emote.

Don't take offense in real life for what happens in a game.

Lol double post.

What I meant was that if I could shoot fireballs, and you could shoot fireballs, and everyone could shoot fireballs too, how would that be a unique trait?

The sword and elephant would certainly be unique in the real world, but if everyone has access to it, then how is that any different to, say, most people having a car?

If every single person could do what Napoleon did, would we remember him for who he was? No of course not. Just replace 'Napoleon' with 'shooting magic'.

And you are right, I'm nearly 16. That doesn't change anything I said.

To gingsengsamurai

stop typing stupidly long posts.

to the dude who started this thread. the /spit emote is there just for fun and if you take that emote away you'll have to take away /slap /fart /burp /golfclap /shoo /flirt /love /moo and the whole typing /em thinks you are all noobs coming out in game as 'Bourbon_creams thinks you are all noobs.'

did your ex girlfriend tell the dude what had happened to her? and why it caused her such offense? because i'm sure he would have definitely have apologised.

one time i saw a dude say 'Go have an epileptic fit' to someone and my mums epileptic so understandably, i was quite offended so i told him the situation. he laughed. then everyone around at that time starting having a right go at him n some people were /w-ing me saying to report him so i did. lost his account for about a week from what i heard.

Now that may not be supporting what i said but if it was me who was epileptic he would most likely have  or he was such a noob he wouldn't have done and i would have gone psycho.

Hahaha, yeah old habits are hard to break.  ^_~

A worthwhile topic Macdog.
It is an unfortunate reality that, in every grouping of humans, there are some who act poorly. History proves this on every stage, in every era. It shouldnt be so, but it is.
Remembering this fact can help insulate us from these acts... to a degree.
However, the positive thing we can take from this is to reinforce good manners and courtesy in our OWN behaviour.

/Metraton gives a quiet nod of approval to the underrated philosophical view presented by Madrushian.

If, as someone pointed out earlier, everyone was good, there would be no such thing as 'bad'.

Bad is also, in a different term, 'not conventional'.

Was Attila the Hun considered a psychopath? Would he be now?

EDIT: I agree with the part about ameliorating out own behavior, though.

some really good points.. and some long ^_~

but when you think about it .... it all comes down to how mature people are again.

" "Sir Douchebag rapes you"...an by the way, she's a rape victim. "

I am laughing a little inside from the irony and coincidence.

I do appologize.

My God this has caused quite an interesting response.

When I first read the initial post I thought this thread would end quickly with a response something like:

It is a game, just a game, and even though someone was a 'jerk' to you or your friend, it is still just a game.

Yes being an online game there are social aspects, but people come to WoW to have fun and to act how they can not, and maybe even would not in real life.

Doubt this person would say I want to rape you to anyone in the real world.  They knew they could get away with it in WoW, so they said it.  Was it sad, yes, is it unfortunate, yes.

While courtesy would be nice to get, it should not be expected in a virtual community in a game designed for fun.  Throw the age issue out the window.  Whether 11 years old, or 40 years old, both people are probably of the mindset that they are entering a 'fake' community, where social rules are much looser than in real life.

This prompts people to act as they want knowing that they can.  This is a vent for things we can not and would not do in the real world.  In GTA, I like to kill, steal, pimp, etc.  But I would not do any of this in the real world.

When people can freely act a certain way, some people will act that way.

Yours is an excellent example, and I believe an earlier thread even mentioned this point.  They did not know your friend had been raped, and if they did, they likely would not have said what they said.  In WoW players do not see other players, they see a fake world with no consequences.  This may not make what they said right, but to restate an earlier point:

I am more concerned with how people act in the real world than in an online community where normal socially acceptable behavior is not governed. (Other than by the 'report' button)

id like to add my two pents,
first of all id like to say that words are just that, words, meant to convey ideas and thoughts, or to communicate to to others, they cannot physically  hurt someone, its all in how you take those thoughts and ideas in your mind, and for my closing statement, id like to mention, "you cant rape the willing"

-edit,
im sorry, i got cut off when my archos 604 wifi was losing batteries started the shut down, i didn't get to finish what i was saying, but since you don't seem to be willing to listen to my thoughts, and listen to gensing, then i don't see any reason to continue speaking to those with deaf ears, personally i would like top remove my comment, but since people like you seem to like adding salt to wounds im not going to remove any part of my statement (even though its incomplete) and im sorry you are unable to understand that we are trying to help

-edit2
to tell you the truth i should have let my archos shut down, instead of hitting send now that i re-read what you are going on about, i feel somewhat sorry for your view on things, and if i have offended you in any way i would like to apologize for it, but please don't flame others for somethings you think is right or wrong, try and use the social compass when you post back about my comments hun, were here to help, well most of us anyways

And that my friends, is called 'throwing a black eye in the game'.
Hmm, lets watch and see what happens next.

AU<Deathknight>
has just proved my point by making such a stupid comment.

Only an idiot would say such an immature comment about a subject such as rape.

However, my point has been made valid.  Here in a forum, someone can say whatever they want with little to no worry of reprocussions.  Just like in WoW.

While if my girlfriend/friend/wife/etc had been raped in real life and this idiot had made such a comment to my face, the consequences would be quite different and likely involve that person having an extended stay in a hospital.

So thank you AU<Deathknight> for proving my point.

MacDog, report players who cross the line, that is the recourse avail to you.  I find that assuming and furthermore demanding a perfect world sets one up for disappointment. 

Direct reasonable communication with spaz-tastic players can cause pause for thought.  For example, some comment about "Uh my d1ck is enormo..." responded with "Can you keep it clean, pls?" may likely result in "Ok".

My story about courtesy.  2 paladan players recruit 3 others to run an instance.  1 recruited player dies in first boss fight. The 1st boss does not drop what the 2 players want.  The 2 paladans don't res the dead player and immediatly kick the 3 recruited players from the group and run out of the instance (presumably to reform another group of unsuspecting players to take them to 1st boss again).

That would be "discourteous".

Actually, that was one of the most confusing things I've read at a forum in a long while. 

I'm wondering if there is miscommunication between Mad and Au5 here.  It doesn't make sense and seems 'off' from what you said in your first paragraph.

Anyway, when it all comes down to it and quite obviously, you either continue your exposure to that sort of environment or you don't, and move on.  The thing is, if you want people to chill through a community based game, you're basically asking people to behave who hide behind a monitor whom can get away with talking smack and crap.  Most likely it's never going to happen. 

-in short.  ^_~

god you guys need to stop crying about stupid stuff we have all been called a name and we got on with are lifes. for exaplin i go to school every day and get called a name you don't see me posting some thing that i got im feeling hert and im going to go cry in the corner.

Archos 604 wifi

this is what i use to view sites and post while i play wow, its quite convenenant, until the batteries run out when im not paying attention , but regardless, i hope this comment helps the person who was last quoting me

Exactly.  See, even at a small institution, we're exposed to such things.  That's just how it is.  You either live through it with a little perception on how to deal with it, or you don't, and never expose yourself to such experiences.

It's impossible to not expose yourself to this.

Unless you shut yourself in your basement without any internet, phone, or human contact.

People like that make me glad I live in a will-issue state.

To Ginseng. Here is what you said.

"Those were rhetorical questions with an answer to that rhetorical question.  It was meant to give you perspective on how things are in the world."

Oh, thank you so much, because I had absolutely no perspective on the world before I started reading your verbose posts.

"Remember, a large part of maturity is understanding a situation and knowing what to do and what not to do in that given situation.  Emotions will get in the way for sure, but reasoning and logic coupled with those emotions, will surely help you in deciding what you should do versus what you might and would have done."

My reasoning and logic, which have been honed in the professional world and elite academic institutions perceived you as condescending, pretentious and superior.

"Again, a little perception goes a long way."

My point exactly.

But don't feel bad, whoever said, "you can't rape the willing" was WAY, WAY worse. Why is that in quotes exactly? Did Thomas Jefferson say that? Or Sun Tzu? Rousseau?

And to the point that my friend should have explained herself and made a joke about it. It is far different to have been violently raped than to say "my mother's an epileptic" (which is such a tortured analogy I doubt it's accuracy). My ex had a terrible anxiety attack, immediately logged off, called her shrink for a new prescription, spent a week reliving the horror, let the rest of her subscription expire, and shuddered when I mentioned WoW. The idea that she should have said, "you know, one night I was walking back to my apartment and a filthy stranger punched me in the head, gave me a concussion, and then ass raped me so violently I needed a colostomy bag while the sutures healed" is so simply ridiculous that it shouldn't even be worthy of comment. THAT, in fact, is the main reason I am rather sensitive to this issue.

And to the guy who says I go to school every day and get called names, DOESN'T THAT SUCK? Wouldn't you rather not deal with it? Look, states are now considering LAWS because the whole issue of cyber bullying is getting so out of hand. PEOPLE ARE KILLING THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF IT. There is a woman in California facing 20 years Federal time for abusing some poor girl on MySpace into hanging herself. But then again, she put herself on MySpace and you can't rape the willing.

What a load of shit.

For those of you who have criticized me, or at least not supported my main thesis that WoW could be a more courteous place (which was all I suggested and many of you are apparently quite opposed to even in theory), the worst thing I have done is to create a thread that has got people talking. Maybe not thinking, but at least talking. Forgive me if I am not in the least ashamed of having done so, and have no apologies for the methods I have used to keep that conversation going.

There is a future in this virtual world, and it does not belong to the /spitters and /rapers. It belongs to guys like me. Because when you all get out of hand, WE will start passing laws (as is already happening), and I'm of the opinion that the fewer laws the better, but we'll only have fewer laws if we have fewer assholes. And assholes are abundant, seems like everybody's got one.

My opinion on what you just said. But let's not resort to ad hominem.

Cyber bullying = bullying.

If I kill you wearing a top hat, we should ban top hats, because that's the reason you got injured, huh?

If I kill you using a sledgehammer, then it's the sledgehammer's fault, not mine.

Sure, the sledgehammer made it easier, but it's still my fault, isn't it?

The net is a means to an end. You can help others, harm others, annoy others, argue with others, among many things.

Oh, and according to logic, which you yourself stated should be used, this post isn't going to do anything.

EDIT: Everything can be a more courteous place. This doesn't only apply to the net, WoW, or anything specific at all.

A person that lacks in emotional intelligence and perception can be promoted to a managerial position, a senior partner position, an officer, and even elected into a board of directors.  That is an unfortunate fact that exists. 

/sigh

Pretentious.  That's the first time I've ever seen anyone typed that at a forum coinciding me.  Superior - well that on its own, I've seen tons of people typed that coinciding me.  That simply means they are narrow minded and not very perceptive. 


It's fantastic.  As Enigma Punch had said, you MacDog had successfully trolled your own thread.  I suggest you go to the World Of Warcraft official forums.  That's a major breeding ground for Trolls.  Let's try to keep Thott a bit 'cleaner'.   

On one hand I can grasp and understand the possibility of misunderstanding meaning and expression through pure text, but as someone who just spent a bit of an effort in typing up reflective knowledge, I say, lets move to abandon this thread.  Anyone second that motion?

/raises hand