You are obviously a fail lock if you don't use shadowbolt, death coil, immolate or howl of terror. Depending on spec you should use many of the other spells often.
i have warlock and he manages just fine without shadowburn, but death coil is excellent for pvp.
Who would say that glyphs that increase death coil terror duration and fear duration aren't good? Fear-locking someone is a great way to win a fight...
I think someone is sad because they got beat by a warlock.
/hug.
there is this story about bob and lil tommy... there were 2 roads... one that was exactly safe and 1 dangerous... lil tommy took the safe road since there wasn't anything to loose... Bob said that there is no skill in always taking the easy way... Bob died whilst taking the dangerous road...
come against me i dont Fear at all :) and ill still win....
actually i have had groups where we do use the locks for CC...one fight where a locks CC is EXTREMELY handy is the shade fight...banish and chain fear the elementals....
Glyph of SoulStone seems very nice (:
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I'd want to to see more PvE based glyphs tbh. Since the most of these glyphs (talking major glyphs here, the minors aren't meant for big changes anyway, hence the "minor") seem to max their usage in PvP, but being quite lousy in PvE.
i hope there will be a glyph of soulstone that gave 300% more mana to
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Want gyph of soulfire {your destruction spell crits cause your next soulfire spell to be an instant cast} i can dream cant i?
was going with corruption (don't spec nightfall)/coil/ SL for pvp affliction majors and all the minor glyphs pretty much sucked so i didnt buy any atm
Nightfall definately is a worthy talent to have, not so much for soloing as affliction, but for raiding as affliction. So many free shadow bolts.
4% chance from corruption (nightfall talent) + 4% chance from Drain Life (nightfall talent) + 4% chance from Curruption glyph
12% chance to proc an instant shadowbolt when combined O.o'
... I loves it
ide like to see some minor glyphss that chang pet coller or aperance
=]
You can get glyph from Ah there realitvly cheap i guess i mean i spent like 50g on 2 but the sad part is you dont get any minor glyph till lvl 68
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The thing that is frustrating is I am an affliction lock and all the minor glyphs I have come across are useless for me, two empty slots for minor, and the only one I could possibly benefit from is the drain soul one...I wish Blizzard would give us a little more variety for my spec. Most of the locks I know are afflic anyways, and it seems that most of the glyphs are suited more for demonology spec... I guess :(
minor glyphs arnt supposed to help anything very much so there isnt any minor glyphs that are going to help a affliction warlock....there just something to make our lives just a bit easier such as reduced mana on ritual of souls or faster swim speed with underwater breathing
they need a glyph of incinerate, i love that spell( i am demon, used to be destro so i dont use shadowbolt much).
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That they do - I'm 41/30 and use Incinerate alot.
I really wish there was an attack to reduce the cooldown of Chaos Bolt, that is my favorite move ever but I can only ever use it once in a non-instance fight before what im fighting dies.
in the next patch there iwll be a glyph that reduces cooldown time by 2 seconds for chaos bolt
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Too bad there isn't a glyph that gives a chance for soulfire to not use a soul shard.
Seriously... I'd love to use soulfire but I burn enough shards as it is in both PVE and PVP. Would be better if they just killed the soul shard requirement on the ability since Chaos Bolt does more damage... and soul fire isn't appealing right now..
A glyph of soul fire would be great
"Your Soulfire ability no longer requires a soul shard to cast."
"Whenever you cast Soulfire, your next spell cast within 6 seconds has it's critical strike chance increased by 15%. Effect cannot occur more than once every 25 seconds."
"Your Soulfire has an additional 20% chance to critically strike."
"The damage from your Soulfire is increased by 15% when your target is affected by your immolate effect."
Just SOMETHING that'll make people want to cast the spell outside of being demonology spec >_<
too bad they didnt make a side slot for soul shards (like key chain) instead of wasting our bag space:(
too bad they didnt make a side slot for soul shards (like key chain) instead of wasting our bag space:(
You can get a 32 slot bag for soulshards tho :-)
u can get a 32 slot bag for not soulshards too...
For minor glyphs, the one for underwater breathing is not totally useless, and the one to reduce cast time to banish is very helpful for those relatively few times I need to cast it. I picked up the eye of kilrogg one just to fill up the empty slot. Can't recall when I used the Eye last, but flying it seems cool.
To the top comment. Be careful who you call Fail a Howl of terror is needed only in rare case. Shadow bolt is never needed until it become an instant cast (nightfall). Death coil is only used if needed IF needed to keep the upper hand. an Immolate is a worthless waste of time to cast. A Good Pvp Lock, even without good gear, is one you uses his Dots, reg Fear, and Life Drain and can move around unpredicatablly while placing the Dot stopping only for a sec for haunt and Unstable afflic. Than checkmate, fear and life drain. There is nearly no def against this combo, i used it with great success in arena matches. Any lock that relies on the other stuff just end up dead at my feet.
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Well, for an affliction lock you may do this, but for destruction many glyphs completely WTFPWNBBQ. Conflagorate not consuming Immolate, Succys LoP in combat by removing dots, Immolate dealing 10% more damage, 20% crit on Shadowburn when used on targets with less than 35% health, which is you mostly when use it anyway to finish off an opponent. And for demonology warlocks, 5% less damage taken via Soul Link, 20% increased AP on your felguard, ect. Instead of doting, fearing, and kiting, we just kill 'em off before they can get to us and start beating our faces in, and glyphs help us do this even better.
I just started a demonology lock and i can't figure out which glyphs are right to use
Im a demon lock for Solo purposes and im using the Metamorphosis Glyph and the drain soul.
And for 0/41/30 im using glyph of felguard inmolate and incinerate, and drain soul
As PVP Destro:
Major:
Conflag
Immolate
Shadowburn (Thinking of going Shadowflame but it's hard to run or fear enemies away unless demon circling around them)
Minor:
Souls (since there's nothing else better)
Kilrogg (For recon purposes)
Drain Soul
Conflag + Immo glyph makes sense to use since they're synonymous and you don't want to have to recast immolate immediately after casting conflag. I wouldn't touch incinerate glyph cause the dmg isn't high enough on the glyph. Shadowflame, Shadowburn or *Healthstone Glyphs are reccomended. Shadowburn cause of the extra crit on low HP targets. Shadowflame for snaring and control and *Healthstone for use with Imp Healthstone talent and macro combination with Demon Armor
*Healthstone Macro
/cast Demon Armor
/cast Battlemaster Trinket
/cast Healthstone
/cast (Any health potion here)
The macro saves your ass pretty good. You gain almost all your health back. Best part is that each of these items/abilities don't share a cooldown and are individually categorized so they'll all pop at once :-D
Actually for destro you should have
Conflag
Incin
Immolate
here's the Warlock specs
Demonology- Deominic teror... not Recromended for pvp ATM
Affiction- Slowly waste down several targets to nothingness... Recromended for PvP ATM
Destruction- Smoke a single target... recommended for PvP ATM
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well actually Destro spec is raid and i use
demon spec for PVP because the metamorphosis is the best thing to fight others
affliction cant compare with the other 2
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I gotta disagree affliction & destro are debatable for most DPS in PVE and affliction is amazing in PVP because DOTDOTDOTOMGPWNDUALL
If you dont realize how much better destro is for pvp now then you either need to play a lock or quit yours..........while an afflic lock can do massive dot dmg it takes a bit to do during which your opponent has the ability to heal and open a can of "whupass" on you. i tried afflic b4 yes and i was able to kill several enemies above my lvl but i like to play the specs that are more skill-oriented all afflic is is dot dot dot fear dot dot dot fear which doesnt help the fact that alot of people think that locks are easy to play. any good destro lock however rarely fears as most of the time he's hitting you for an insane amount of dmg. ive dueled a ton of afflic locks on a same geared basis and found i beat them without much effort seeing as i just start off with seduction then chaos bolt shadowfury then immolate conflag at which time they are forced to blow death which they follow up with a fear and drain life....i just death coil em back and blow em to dust with a chaos bolt/soul fire/conflag pretty simple imo. if you wanna actually have fun playin a lock spec destro........
It's kinda idiotic to take Glyph of Conflagrate for pvp as Destruction, why? Cause it will mess with seduce, having it non-glyphed makes you able to take of the DoT when you see fit and seduce without having to worry about it being broken.
The only way you can pvp with that glyph is if you also take Glyph of Seduce, wich will pretty much waste you two glyph-slots.
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If you dont realize how much better destro is for pvp now then you either need to play a lock or quit yours..........while an afflic lock can do massive dot dmg it takes a bit to do during which your opponent has the ability to heal and open a can of "whupass" on you. i tried afflic b4 yes and i was able to kill several enemies above my lvl but i like to play the specs that are more skill-oriented all afflic is is dot dot dot fear dot dot dot fear which doesnt help the fact that alot of people think that locks are easy to play. any good destro lock however rarely fears as most of the time he's hitting you for an insane amount of dmg. ive dueled a ton of afflic locks on a same geared basis and found i beat them without much effort seeing as i just start off with seduction then chaos bolt shadowfury then immolate conflag at which time they are forced to blow death which they follow up with a fear and drain life....i just death coil em back and blow em to dust with a chaos bolt/soul fire/conflag pretty simple imo. if you wanna actually have fun playin a lock spec destro........
So what you're saying is that instead of microing your character, placement being very important, cast times being prioritized, you should just spec Destro, stand in one spot, and play a mage?
Saying Destro is more skill oriented makes me laugh. and I've been pwning face on Warlocks since people thought we were the most useless class ever made, and yes there was a time when that was the case.
It all comes down to play style. I've seen some crazy good Destro Locks, and I've seen some crazy good Aff locks ( I'd like to consider myself one. ) Simply put, some players just play better using certain specs. Some destro locks just don't have what it takes to play Affliction properly, so they say that it's not as good as Destro, meanwhile Affliction locks like myself have played Destro and feel that Affliction is stronger ect... One thing I have to point out is that for Arenas a huge consideration is your team mates. For Affliction, It's hard to deny the regen you get by throwing up Corruption, CoE, Haunt, then drain lifing them down. I can get a ridiculous amount of health from that, something Destro couldn't do. We also have a bit more control which helps.
All in all, It's incredibly hard to split hairs here, take a look at the high rated Warlocks. I have, and there's a good amount of both specs being used.
Also, I generally spec to get ShadowBurn and Ruin, with the pushback Destro talent as well. So when I set up a player to drain them down, I have Nightfall procing, then I can shadowburn, then Deathcoil, then I run up and Aoe fear, start the drain again, proc, rinse and repeat... I run off mainly instant casts, my character is always moving in the right direction...
Meh. To each their own.
They need to change the minor glyphs for warlocks, all of them are POINTLESS, i also have a shaman and warrior and i was shocked when looking for glpyhs for them and found that they acutally had minor glyphs that benefitted them, dont get why warlocks get the shittiest minor glpyhs
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