Hey I stopped playing WoW but im going to start playing again asap. I stopped playing WoW when I was a lvl 77 pally. I have had experience being a guild master. Now im getting ready to start playing WoW again.I will be starting all over on a new realm. I want to make a Raid guild when I hit level 80. Im already starting to plan out everything so I can be the best guild master a guild can want. I will lay out my plans here and I would love it if everyone can help me with tips< suggestions< and comments about what im going to be doing. Oh and keep in mind im not playing WoW yet. Im preparing myself.

My own character- I will have two main chars that im working on. A  prot pally and a  afflic Lock. Me and my friend wanted to lvl our soon to be mains together. My pally and his druid. Everytime i get to the next set of lvls (10 20 30 etc) I will stop and wait for him. For example. If my pally is lvl 30 and he is lvl 25 I will stop lvling my pally and go to my lock

My professions- My pally will be a Minner/JC/BS. ill explain the 3 profs in a sec. My lock will have Minning/skinning. Now my pally will lvl to 80 and work on maxing my JC and minning. Once I do this I will lvl my lock to 80 (if hes not already 80) and get his profs maxed. I will drop my Minning on my pally so i can pick up BC. I will farm mats for my pally with my lock. I want to do thi becouse it will be very good for Endgame raids as a tank. Also, my guild will be helped becouse I will be able to help them with gear/gems instead of paying someone they will have me.
Server (khadgar) Horde. Remember im not playing yet.

Player names - Hades (warlock) Divine angel (pally)

Website- www.ngpl.guildomatic.com

Guild name- N.G.P.L
National Gnome Punting League


Officers- In order to get this rank I have to be very impressied by you. I will not just give away this rank if you give me free gear or gold. Here are some of the things I will be looking for.
1. Good communication skills.( You are very respectful and you treat everyone as equals. you aren't quick to get very mad.
2. You are able to lead a raid/instance without my help. (I may miss a raid or instance if something in my life comes up)
3. You understand how and why this guild is made and you do your best to do what you can to help out.
4.You need to be organized in game. ( I may ask an Officer to move stuff around in the Guild Bank. I dont want the Guild bank to be a mess.
5. Pay me 5kg. jk jk. You need to be Active. I dont want an officer who only plays once a month.
All of these things, and more, will be watched. they are all required and will be very critical if you want to try to become an Officer.
6. If I see you doing things for the guild I will be GREATLY impressed.
7. Dont do things for the guild and come to me and say "can I be an officer now?"

Starting the guild- I will be recruiting members into the guild while I level. However, The only way to get into the guild is you have a member sponsor you and after awhile of being a trainee the guild master and some officers feel as if you will be a benefit to the guild.

Guild Goals.
This Guild will be working to get to and finish all endgame raids. We will be working as one. I want this guild to become a WoW family. If we work by ourselves we will fail but if we work as one we will be successful! We will be relaxed but when it comes to raiding time we will work hard. I want this guild to be a guild people will remember for our achievements and personality. They will look at us and say "wow great people. great gamers. great guild!"

Guild Talking rules.
1.Dont knock down other members. (calling someone a noob for asking a question)
2. Being kind will most likely get you into a raid/heroic. I dont want to invite someone who dosent care about anyone about himself.
3. RESPECT is very important. treat everyone with the utmost respect.
4. If any of these rules are broke repeatedly That person will be demoted to the rank of Punished

Guild Repair.
The only time you will be able to use Guild repair is after we just finished a raid (If we have a good amount of gold in the bank.)

Looting gear in Raids heroics etc.
1. (main spec) You can get all the gear that you need if you roll and get the highest number.
2. (off spec) You can ONLY get off spec gear if nobody needs for main spec and you roll the highest number.
3. (This is not required but may help the guild out more if you do the following) Lets say an Epic dps sword drops and to players want it. If One of the players has a very bad sword and you have an epic sword that isint bad you should allow the other player to have the sword. This isint required but it will look very impressive to me and you will be reworded (sometime in the future) with a promotion or something else)
4. If you Ninja an item you will be booted from the raid. You will also be demoated to the ranking of punishment until we find out what we are going to do with you. You may be kicked from the guild or you will be unable to join a raid for a few weeks.
5. If your unsure that a certain gear is right for you ask everyone. We will explain if it is good or if it is bad so you dont look like a ninja if you take something thinking its right for you when its not.

Raid/Instances rules.
1.after a wipe everybody gets their buts back into the instance/raid as fast as possible. rebuff quickly. and unless we need to refigure the strat we just used, get back into the fight.
2. Do NOT give up after the first wipe. Wiping is bound to happen. Learn from your mistakes and try to do better the next time.
3. When we are pulling a mob (bosses in particular) we need to focus. I dont want to wipe because one of our members is messing around. However, If the instance or raid is one we easily do its okay to chit chat during it.


Guild instances- Once I start to get members they will be needing help with instances. I will make this a very Important priority. I will be tanking if they need a tank or I will help dps while I teach the tank how to tank. Loot-Main spec before off spec

Guild heroics- Everyone level 80 will be able to join. I will NOT pick only the best geared chars. My goal is to get EVERYONE geared.Loot-Main spec before off spec.

Guild raids- Before we start raiding I would like to make sure everyone is semi geared for it so we can make progress in it. I will invite whoever is ready for it at first. However, Once we get good geared members in the guild we will help drag the worst geared 80s through it so they can anjoy the experience of raiding. loot- Main spec before off spec

Classes- As of right now I dont know everything about all the classes. I will study this now so when someone ask me about what type of gear, gems, stats etc they need I can help them. I will start to post Classes and what stats they need on this forum.

Guild management- Working this out right now.

Ranks-

Guildmaster
Officers (still need to think of the requirements to get here)
Veteran Raider (Must be experienced with there spec)
Sargent Raider (Average experienced with there spec)
Rookie Raider (New with there spec. Just learning how to play it)
Leveler (lvls 1-79)
Officer/GM alt (explains itself)
Veteran alt (explains itself)
Sargent alt (explains itself)
Rookie alt (explains itself)
Leveler alt (explains itself)
New trainee ( A player who is in tryouts to join the guild. Time it takes depends on how they play/how they act.)
Punishment (You will be placed here if you decided to ninja a weapon or for some other purpose)

Recruitment.

A Member of the guild must sponsor a player in order for him to join the guild. Then the member must report to the GM or an officer to let him/her know why and who they sponsored

Classes needed.
I will be looking for all classes and every spec. I will NOT make anyone change specs for the guild. I want everyone to be the classes THEY want to be. However, I may ask the guild if there is anyone wanting to play a different role for a instance or raid if we cant find it. example- We have 1 tank and 3 dps but no healer for an instance. Ill ask the guild if there is anyone who would like to respec or use thee off spec to heal for it. I wont ask one person in paticular I will ask the entire guild so it dosent look like im demanding someone to do something they dont want to do.

Im sorry for the big long post. If you have any tips for me I would love to hear them. Now I would like to ask everyone who reads this. Will I be a good leader? Would you join my guild? if not please explain. TYVM for your help and time


Classes and what stats/Gems/glyphs/enchants/ weapons you should get for endgame.

PALADIN

Protection
Stats-
1.Def (until your caped) Def cap= 540
2.Stam (never can have to much health) 27k unbuff should be good. aim for 30k if you want more) also gives SP
3. Str  hit harder so you get more aggro.
4. Parry/dodge/Block (These will help tanking go smoothly) Not sure what one is more important.
Block is very Important!

Gems- First gem Def untill you get capped. Then switch to stam.

Enchants- Go with stam once again. You might also want to get some str ones if your good on the stam.

Glyphs- Shield of Righteousness. Hammer of Righteous. Seal of Vengence. Avengers shield. Concecration. Righteous Defense. Blessing of Kings. Choose whatever ones you like the best.

Weapons- 1h sword or mace and a shield

Retribution
stats-
1. Str (more str means more stam) oh and it also will give you SP if you got that talent
2. Crit
5. Haste
4. Stam (if you get aggro you wont die that fast)
5. agi. (Not the best for pallys but it will help)
In order to avoid confusion about tank and dps gear you need to remember that dps will need Critical strike raiting, hit raiting, and attack power.

Games-Str, attack power, crit, and hit raiting are the gems you should be looking for.

Enchants- Same as gems.

Glyphs.- Blessing of might. Judgement. Crusader strike. seal of command. Avenging wrath. Hammer of wrath. Seal of righeousness. Seal of Vengence. Choose the ones you would like

Weapon-2h sword/mace/polearm.

Holy
stats-
1.Int. (your a healer...you need mana)
2.Spell power (bigger heals and it will help you crit)
3. Crit raiting. (tanks will love you when you crit heals alot)
4.Mp5
5. Haste. (faster heals. Wont have to worry about tanks dieing g becouse your spells take to long)
6. Spirit and mp5 (regain mana faster)

Gems- Int, SP, Crit, Haste, Spirit. Basicly what your looking for in stats.

Enchants (same as gems)

Glyphs- Blessing of Wisdom. Spiritual Attunement. Holy Light. Lay on hands. Divinity. Of the wise. Flash of Light. Seal of light. Seal of wisdom. Beacon of light.

Weapon- 1h mace/sword and a shield

ROGUE

Combat
stats-
1. Expertise (you want to be able to hit the mob) work on this till your capped.
2.Hit raiting (Once again. Hit the mob so they cant hit back)
3. Agi (adds to AP) this huge for rogues.
4. Crit (spiks dmg) very helpful
5. Attack Power ( Hit harder) more dps
6.Dodge (If your tank knows how to do his job you shouldent bother with this)

Gems- Expertise (untill capped.)Agi. Hit raiting. Crit

Glyphs- Eviscerate. Expose armor. Sinister strike. Slice and dice. Mulitate. Blade furry. Hemmorhage. Preparation. Rupture Vigor. Hunger for blood. Killing spree. Fan of knives

Enchants- Same as gems

Weapon. 1h sword/mace fist weps. knife 

Good luck  :)

im confused...

how exactly will loot be handeled?

lol

if it's intra guild (or anytime) loot master on heroics is likely not a necessity

Defcap=540 :p

Take 541 to be safe(539.6 gets shown as 540)

Oh alright thanks for the 540 cap. haha dont know why I said 544. O.o As for the loot I was going to put it on master becouse at times There might be a ninja who joins a guild just for that one run. However master looter wont help that now that im thinking about it more...hmmm...What if someone hits need when they mean to hit greed? this will prevent mistakes like that. Even if they are rare.

Sorry for the back to back post. I am NOT saying I know everything for every class. im just trying to look up information for each class and put it on here so i know what I should tell future guildies what they need. If I made a mistake please tell me. Thanks for the help :)

you were probably away form game when teh change came, but 2 or so patches ago blizzard changed it so that loot that is BOP can be traded to someone else in teh party for something like 2 hours after it is picked up...

its because blizzard moderators got sick of fixing loot mistakes... lol

no worries on the loot mistakes now.

oh..haha yeah I havent been playing for awhile. /cry. tyvm for that info. really helpful. :)

It will take awhile for you to reach 80...why wait to invite until then?  You are wasting time that could be used developing friendships in game...
Some of the best friends I've formed in game were with those I "grew up" with...
Just invite lower level characters if you are worried about someone being higher level than you... (But someone's level really doesn't tell you their game knowledge or experience.  I've met alot of 80's who are "newbish" and a ton of lower level alts who have been playing for years).
And just know up front that there will be alot of players that come and go from your guild...just a part of the game...don't take it personally...

Your right that does make sense. (Inviting members now to build friendship) Any suggestions on when i should stop inviting lower lvl characters? I don't want my guild to have to many players in the mid lvl range. I think it would make people who want to raid stay away from my guild because there afraid people will constantly ask for runs 24/7.

whoa...
a bit of force feedback first ..

just 'loot on masterloot' wont be enough
there are dozens of different ways to deal with loot
some guilds say you can only have one or two or three .. w/e  items of loot per raid

some guilds use a point system, some are picky about spec, some have been raiding together so long they know nobody will ninja anything and they just group loot cuz it goes perfect ..


how about other things.  officers.. who ? when ? what you gonna make em do.    same for recruiters.  any rules on what your ppl are supposed to do . what limit is there on being friendly or mean to other ppl...  will you kick ppl the first hint of trouble.  probably not, but will you kick the mate that has been in your guild since the start that accidentally allowed his nephew to play while he went to the toilet and ninjapulled the entire instance and now everyone wants you to kick him or they threaten to leave..   

how about your website, will you host it. make it from scratch? do you need a officer just for the website?  how about teamspeak, ventrillo or skype as voice chat .. will it be a rule to use it. ?

what addons you want ppl to have. what addons are required. what will you do if john cant run addon x because it lags him out but he's a good healer otherwise.. he's just not following your mandatory addon rule .. will you kick him? ..

what are the raid days.. times.. do you expect ppl to be at the instance 5 mins before start or do you start rounding ppl up when the calendar says it starts.

when do you end a raid. how long can someone go afk before he gets a warning? will he get a warning, will he loose his right to loot, will he get kicked .. not asked next time .. or is it ok to slack? ..   



etc ... etc.. ETC !!


i know im just throwing random weird things at you now. but it's good to consider being guild leader is more than just getting a few ppl together and being in a guild and everything will work out.


other as that .. good job that you start thinking ahead ! :p
but it might be more as what you suspect ;)
don't let it scare you off either

coz...haha i love you for that post XD!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the help!!! haha I didint think about lots of those questions. hmmm Im going think about each one carefully. There going to be tricky if I want to find the best set of rules for my guild. Give me some time and I will edit my post with the answers to your questions.

dont worry ;)
you wont be the first guild leader facing these issues.
and I bet I havent asked half the questions I could think of in two minutes. ;p

most evolve from stage to stage, changing rules slightly over time.

alright thanks! keep the questions coming if you dont mind doing it and please tell me what im doing wrong. Finding out what I did wrong is more useful to me than just saying. "good luck" or "good job" however those are also nice to hear haha.
I was thinking about the ranks. I started to throw around this list of how it Would go)

Guildmaster
Officers (still need to think of the requirements to get here)
Veteran Tank- (Epic geared Tank)
Veteran Healer (Epic gear healer)
Veteran Dps (Epic geared dps)
Sargent Tank (Average geared Tank)
Sargent Healer (Average geared healer)
Sargent Dps (Average Dps)
Rookie Tank (New tank, badly geared, in process of learning how to tank)
Rookie Healer (New healer, Badly Geared, In process of learning how to heal)
Rookie Dps (new Dps, Badly geared, In process of learning how to tank

All veterans will have the same bank Privileges. Same with Sargents and Rookies.

When the guild is leveling
Guild Master
Officer
Veteran Leveler (lvls 70+)
Sargent Leveler (lvls 40-69)
Rookie Leveler (lvls 1-39)

Im sorry for making this post, i know that this is about a guild post but i just have a few questions i want to ask.
1)I switched from prot. to ret. and now i have even lower mana than before. any advice on more mana?

2) i play on private servers(please do not bash me)
and the main problem that i see in guilds is the mistrust of other people. wither the guild wants to be too focused on PVP or the guild is too focused on PVE.(this is a blizz-like server so please keep in mind we are not playing on completely different servers in general.)I was a guild master and i built trust in my guildies.we raided together so long, we didn't have to worry about ninjas. also, you HAVE to keep in mind that the guild can NOT always be serious. that was one problem i had when i was in a guild. the guild leader was too serious. he had a ventrilo and had no channels to just let people tell jokes or goof off. whenever you were on the ventrilo server and was talking to people, you HAD to be online. so remember that being so serious is not always best.

That also leads me to my next point. on the server i play on, many people look at others and feel that the level is important in a guild. are you going to have level restrictions? Is it goign to be an "open-level" guild?
coz752 made a good point. what are officers going to do?
i faced that problem as well. see, to be able to climb the "guild ladder", you had to have a certain amount of pvp honor.(kills on my server because honor was not always accurate). one also needed to have good notes from PVE raids.(our guild master was a master with points and what not. i.e. DKP) i made it to officer(we only had some 40-45 officers in a guild of ~300 people)
unfortunatly, he gave us. the officers, nothing to do. he just said "watch over the guild when im away". very vague command if you ask me.

but to end my post, i am NOT a great guild leader. i am an excellent raid leader. but a guild is a bit more complex. so please keep in mind that i do have WOW experience, just not blizzard experience. just thought you would like some feed back.
sorry the reply was so long.

Dont be sorry for long post. I enjoy them. What lvl is your pally?

For the guild management talk.
Yes I think Levels Will be important for awhile. I will be Recruiting low levels for awhile but as my guild and I continue to lvl and grow so will the recuirement to join the guild. (I dont want a guild with lots of highs 50s recruiting tons of lvls 1-35). That was just an example. As for the Rankings. I feel as if a lvl 70 leveler should get more Benefits than a lvl 20-30 Leveler. Yes, I understand that everyone wont be able to play the same amount of time. That is unfortunate but I feel as if the guild helps them lvl (tell them where to go, area tips, etc) they will be able to level. I will not be very serious all the time. I will admit. I have ADHD. I can mess around at times. Its bad if a guild is always serious. thats no fun at all :(. RESPECT is very important to me. I would rather have a guild full of players that respect each other but arent that great than a bunch of very good players with no respect. When Vent is being used for a raid then I expect everyone to allow us to talk about the raids without general chat going on. If nobody is raiding then SURE! talk! I would love to talk to my members. Chit chat can help make leveling not so tidious.

im going to step out and say this isnt a good idea for 2 reasons.
1)epic gear is as simple as the money needed to buy it. you can get a pretty close to full set of pruples in the ah if you have the funds to do so..
gear does nto equal ability...
2) with duel speccing now common, people dont like to be pigeon holed into 1 role.
2a) some of the best tanks i know have been tanks for years, have phenomanol gear, are fairly sick of tanking and would rather dps...
but if you title people 'vetran dps' or 'vetran tank' you are going to cause them to play one role.

i myself hate being known for healing...
i cant log into my druid without invites to heal for something from people i have run with.. i like healing just fine. the big bonus is if leather melee gear drops and nobody needs it i get it be default for my "off spec"... my off spec set has a gear score all of like 4300... my main healing spec is only 4700ish... and in the one raid i actually got to dps in the last 4 months i put out a consistant 5000+ dps.. and i love being a kitty... but everybody knows me as a healer.. so when im on my druid, i heal...

i keep my alts seperate from the main streat... all in diferent guilds. only a select few know all my toons because nothing is more frustrating than putzing around on your warlock and getting a whisper to come to a raid... getting all excited and then being asked if i would jump to my healer before they invite me...

hmm. You do have a Very good point. Instead of saying healer/tank/dps Should I just put Raider and in order to get ranked up you must be able to do really good?

i just broke own rule:

i told you the problem in your plan.. and i didnt reccomend a plausible solution.


my reccomendation for ranks... (i dont care what you name them)
guildmaster (obviously)
officers (incharge of specific things...managing the guild website, keeping the guild bank organized... some guild have officers in charge of the tanks, and healers, and dps...)
level 3's - guildies who are ready to go. you can call on them to run whatever you are running and knwo they wont let you down with incompotence
level 4's - level 80 toons who are a little rough around teh edges and still need to learn
level 5's - level 1-79 toons

level 6's - level 3 and above guildies alts (specifically for guild bank access and to keep the above ranks clear of people alts)
level 7's - level 4 and 5 guildies alts
level 8's - newely recruited members (basically where you stick people who want in your guild as a trial guild membership, usually no guild bank access)

guild bank access should be as follows
GM/officer tab:
on a raid and get a boe item nobody in the party needs... put it here for use later by an alt.. if you do this you must make rules for it ahead of time.
also expensive mats... high level gems and enchanting stuff, titan steel... whatever.

level 3-4's tab (raid supplies):
mana/health pots, flasks, fish feasts...


general tab- access from everybody, low level mats that arent worth selling but might be useful to gain skills... encourage guildies if that stack of 20 medium leather is only gonna get them 2-3 gold to toss it in the guild bank for someone to benefit from

i dont knwo how many tabs you are looking to make but thats a general idea of how to allocate them.

as for guild ranks...
i was in a guild once that we ranked as follows...
guildmaster -                  Mistress
officers -                    favored slaves
level 3 (raiders) -            slaves
level 4 (80's) -              fresh meat
level 5 (low level mains) -    hopefulls

level 6 (raider alts) -        Alternate slave
level 7 (low lvl alts) -      alternate hopeful

level 8 (test out members) -  perverts

that guild was fun.. obviously we have a female gm with a great personality

I see. Thank you for that. Gives me a good solid system that I can work on (if I feel as if I should add something. not saying that I will.) Thank you very much for your help. When it comes to lvls however I dont want lots of low lvls running around asking for runs from my high lvls 24/7

that particular guild had a great system to avoid that very problem.

the level 3 and above ranks had to sponser someone new.
there was no recruiting of people into the guild (meaning nobody spamming come join us please we are desperate and will take anybody)

if while leveling an alt of their own the lvl 3 or above came across a player that showed potential they had teh option to sponser that person into the guild.

which meant they could pass an invite for the person to the guild, and had to send a message to one of teh officers that was incharge of new members/updating the website...

the website had a list of all new members and the name of the person who sponsored them into the guild.
that way if the new member became a problem we all knew who to complain too. lol

having low level toons in the guild i found is less a problem than alts.
i would live to find a guild that didnt allow alts in the guild.
i dont mind helping a new player burn an instance every once in a while. i hate running existing players through instance after instance after instance every day because they hate leveling and get better xp per hour following me around while i kill stuff and they loot it for profit.

wow luvan...your right...that idea sounds amazing! I will add That to my future guild information/rules. I cant wait to start playing again! Thank you for that information.

Im sorry about the back to back post what what are the most useful addons for a raid? I know there is Omen, pally power....thats all I really know to be honest.

Well, Deadly Boss Mods is a MUST!!

Then, omen threat meter and recount is Nice too,

healers and spellcasters could use Quartz

tanks could use aggronotificer

Alright thanks for the tips

Looting gear in Raids heroics etc.
1. (main spec) You can get all the gear that you need if you roll and get the highest number.
2. (off spec) You can ONLY get off spec gear if nobody needs for main spec and you roll the highest number.
3. (This is not required but may help the guild out more if you do the following) Lets say an Epic dps sword drops and to players want it. If One of the players has a very bad sword and you have an epic sword that isint bad you should allow the other player to have the sword. This isint required but it will look very impressive to me and you will be reworded (sometime in the future) with a promotion or something else)
4. If you Ninja an item you will be booted from the raid. You will also be demoated to the ranking of punishment until we find out what we are going to do with you. You may be kicked from the guild or you will be unable to join a raid for a few weeks.
5. If your unsure that a certain gear is right for you ask everyone. We will explain if it is good or if it is bad so you dont look like a ninja if you take something thinking its right for you when its not.
That is all i Have for now

im a level 80 paladin. i have full s5 with a s6 weapon.
i have ~6k

hmm I see...You might want to put 10 talents in the holy tree so you can get the +10% mana. that might help.

I added this


Guild Talking rules.
1.Dont knock down other members. (calling someone a noob for asking a question)
2. Being kind will most likely get you into a raid/heroic. I dont want to invite someone who dosent care about anyone about himself.
3. RESPECT is very important. treat everyone with the utmost respect.
4. If any of these rules are broke repeatedly That person will be demoted to the rank of Punished

hey waazzzzzzz uuuuuppppppp!!!!!!! ryry its me!!!!!!!!

im gnna be in pallyrawrs guild!!!! im soo happy!!!!!!!11!!!

only comments related to the forum bro...haha

you said you dont want us (me) to be recruiting low lvls,so after we get past a certain part of the game your saying we (or I) can recruit lvl close to us or close to our genral lvls in the guild?

I dont want us to be high levels recruiting low levels. The only time we will is if they look like they have great potential.

cant wait till we do naxx,you, me and justin and a whole bunch of THE WORLDS BEST GUILDIES!!!!!

yeah but that wont be till a long time. We need to make sure we can hold a stable guild before we do naxx. and we need to get geared

Sorry for the back to back post.

Server (khadgar) Remember im not playing yet.

Player names - Hades (warlock) Divine angel (pally)
Website- www.ngpl.guildomatic.com

  looting in a pick up 25 man toc question ...
would you pug it with NO master looter ?
  And if you did , would you have the players select greed or need on the trophys ?
  In my case , we were told to all hit greed , then when someone hit need , shit hit the fan , then he left group .
  Is there one idiot in this case , or is there 24 idiots in this pick up group ?    ty , nice thread too !

Thank you very much about what you said to the thread. I have a question about your question before i can answer your question. Are you asking if the pug members (non guildies) can hit need?

Well what i want to know is would'nt  it be better for all 25 members to hit need , rather than greed ?
  Because it only takes one player to hit need  , throwing the whole plan out of whack .
  It seems the answer would be to always have a master looter , unless the group is very tight and experianced .
  Ty for your help :)

I dont think all 25 members in the group hiting need would help. why would a mage need a plate armor drop? I would only do master looter for pug raids (you should be able to trust your guildies. if you are inviting the way I am). Before I let someone join my pug I will whisper some of that persons guildies to make sure he hasent ninjaed an item

anybody else worried about what this means??

maybe i'm just dirty minded but...

Don't try and be nice by turning on guild repairs too often.  I remember once putting that on while having around 3000g in the gbank.  A few days later there was less than 1000g and when I turned this off a load of them quit >.< ... cheeky people.  It was limited to about 10g per person too, just shows how many greedy people were in the guild.

oh , sorry dwarf , but i was really refering to the trophy of the crusade drop specificaly .
  one of those trophys and a bunch of emblems of triumph = a 9.5 tier upgrade , and the guys went nuts over  the loss of a chance at rolling for it , cause they all hit greed , except one player  who needed .
  it seems to me all should need on that , regardless of a loot master , or not .
 

hahaha luvan. nah I had to go to church and I didint want to repost. oh btw I fixed that last post

This goes to captain....I feel as if everyone should roll need for that ( Unless the you have something better than that tier) However, You might want to clarify this with the rest of the players so you dont cause a argument about it.

ooh im sorry to hear that hogger :( Thanks for the heads up. Im sure I will keep that in mind. Ill probaly Only have repairs open after a raid. After that nobody can repair. Unless someone has a better idea.

Sorry for the  back to back post...Trying to answer everyones questions and let people know if i updated the guild info. That being said here is some new info.


Classes needed.
I will be looking for all classes and every spec. I will NOT make anyone change specs for the guild. I want everyone to be the classes THEY want to be. However, I may ask the guild if there is anyone wanting to play a different role for a instance or raid if we cant find it. example- We have 1 tank and 3 dps but no healer for an instance. Ill ask the guild if there is anyone who would like to respec or use thee off spec to heal for it. I wont ask one person in paticular I will ask the entire guild so it dosent look like im demanding someone to do something they dont want to do. If we don't have anyone who wants to do that we will pug that role


Guild Goals.
This Guild will be working to get to and finish all endgame raids. We will be working as one. I want this guild to become a WoW family. If we work by ourselves we will fail but if we work as one we will be successful! We will be relaxed but when it comes to raiding time we will work hard. I want this guild to be a guild people will remember for our achievements and personality. They will look at us and say "wow great people. great gamers. great guild!" 

Officers- In order to get this rank I have to be very impressied by you. I will not just give away this rank if you give me free gear or gold. Here are some of the things I will be looking for.
1. Good communication skills.( You are very respectful and you treat everyone as equals. you aren't quick to get very mad.
2. You are able to lead a raid/instance without my help. (I may miss a raid or instance if something in my life comes up)
3. You understand how and why this guild is made and you do your best to do what you can to help out.
4.You need to be organized in game. ( I may ask an Officer to move stuff around in the Guild Bank. I dont want the Guild bank to be a mess.
5. Pay me 5kg. jk jk. You need to be Active. I dont want an officer who only plays once a month.
All of these things, and more, will be watched. they are all required and will be very critical if you want to try to become an Officer.

If you can do me a favor and rate the guild from 1-10 (1 being the lowist) I would be very thankful. oh and telling me some things to improve would be nice too

hey ryan,should we go horde?cuz justin would follow us and he would be awsome at horde playing.i think we should try it out.lemme know cuz i am starting to have second thoughts on going ally agian. ;P

i give your guild rules to be an officer a 9,i think you should add "you can do nice thing and stuff to help out the guild without me asking. ex:making sure everyone is ready for an raid or making sure noone thinks the guild is getting boring.AWSOME JOB RYRY!!!!!!

hahahaha yeah! thanks. nice catch with the officer rule. Yeah horde does look good. thanks bro.