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  •   Report  Quote Reply Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
    Score 1.0     Vote: [-] [+] by berrieds, 2.5 years ago
    I've been deliberating this for a while... I already have Cruel Barb in main, but the Shadowfang has a much higher DPS (17.8 vs. 15.5) and have been wondering if I should replace the Cruel barb in the unlikely event I should actually get the Shadowfang.

    I have a lvl 19 Rogue twink for WSG, and I decided that Cruel barb was actually better despite the lower DPS.
    • Firstly, you can only have SF in main hand (bummer if you want to use a dagger in main such as assassin's blade from SFK) which also means you can duel wield CB.
    • Secondly, CB has a higher damage range (30-57) so that means your sinister strike does more damage anyway. the DPS difference may look huge, but actually SF is only 0.1 seconds faster and has a dmg range of (29-55) so all in all I think the difference is deceptive.
    • Thirdly, CB gives you +12 attack power which increases your DPS by 1.9, giving a total of 17.4.
      The bonus for the SF (+ 4-8 Shadow damage) gives no use to a rogue whatsoever.
    • Lastly, the drop rate on CB is about 10% compared with the 0.01 for the SF.


    In my personal opinion, it would be a total waste for any rogue to purchase SF. That's not to say for any other class it would not be worthwhile, but I think the SF is slightly overrated compared to the alternative.
    Just think before you fork out 30g+ for SF when this is FREE!!

    Lorvec, Frostwhisper (UK)
    •   Report  Quote Reply 30g for SF...
      Score 0.31     Vote: [-] [+] by Baltophor, 2.5 years ago
      I'd love to get the SF for 30g.  Currently it's going for 115g+ on my server.
    •   Report  Quote Reply Almost...
      Score -0.69     Vote: [-] [+] by Radis, 2.5 years ago
      The + shadow damage is dealt by the weapon. SF's actual damage range is 33-63, making it superior.

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      •   Report  Quote Reply Shadow Damage
        Score 0.72     Vote: [-] [+] by RavenZ3R0, 2.2 years ago
        the +1-4 Shadow Damage means that the weapon hits for 1-4 unblockable Shadow Damage per hit not that it would increase shadow damage spell power or anything like that, so actually its quite useful.
      •   Report  Quote Reply there is more to SF
        Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by  I hate ninjas, 2.2 years ago
        my twink faces quite a few rogues with that and the sf also has chance on hit to send a shadowblot at any, also that wepon crits for alot more than cruel barb. Sf is better than a cruel barb and if u like ambush/bakstabb when u unstealth switch from a crappy daggeer to Sf and u will own if u have good enchant
      •   Report  Quote Reply wow...
        Score 0.95     Vote: [-] [+] by path411, 2.0 years ago
        Last edit: 2.0 years ago
        I'll answer your statements quickly and in order:


        First, get stance sets, only time u want assassin's blade in mainhand is for ambush, kty.

        Secondly, u obviously can't read that the SF has more dmg with it's shadow dmg...and wow it's not added to spells, it's another 4-8 dmg that is shadow damage, not added to shadow spells -_-

        Thirdly look at number 2...this give it more dps, plus the proc = even more kty.

        that's y u buy the sf...and u are lucky if u can fine one at 30g, I have a friend who paid 600g for one.

        If u want a good twink look at this:

        http://ctprofiles.net/582052
      •   Report  Quote Reply incorrect.
        Score 0.57     Vote: [-] [+] by Faux_x, 2.0 years ago
        I'm going to have to disagree with you for a number of reasons.

        Firstly, you can only have SF in main hand (bummer if you want to use a dagger in main such as assassin's blade from SFK) which also means you can duel wield CB.

        Dagger rogues are gimped at level 19, as you can't put points into a good dagger spec.  You'll get more overall burst dps from sinister striking.

        Secondly, CB has a higher damage range (30-57) so that means your sinister strike does more damage anyway. the DPS difference may look huge, but actually SF is only 0.1 seconds faster and has a dmg range of (29-55) so all in all I think the difference is deceptive.

        The + nature damage is what gives it the difference, so technically it's range is ~33-63.

        Thirdly, CB gives you +12 attack power which increases your DPS by 1.9, giving a total of 17.4.
        The bonus for the SF (+ 4-8 Shadow damage) gives no use to a rogue whatsoever.


        The + attack power doesn't add it on to the weapon itself.  It increases your overall dps, so it's base DPS is still 15.5 - and using an Assassin's Blade would give you almost as much added attack power (+7 AP, along with 0.84% chance to dodge and 0.42% chance to crit).  And the +4-8 shadow damage ignores all armor - I don't know what you're talking about when you say it's of no use to a rogue.

        Lastly, the drop rate on CB is about 10% compared with the 0.01 for the SF.

        That's like saying Sulfuras, Hand of Rag is worse than The Unstoppable Force because it's harder to get.

        Lol.

        If you're trying to become a real twink, money shouldn't be a deciding factor in your gear.  But then again, the majority of twinks out there are wannabes =D

        Fauxy / Conceptual / Zephryna, Arthas (US)
      •   Report  Quote Reply errr
        Score 0.80     Vote: [-] [+] by Drayen, 1.7 years ago
        12 AP is 0.86 dps, not 1.9.

        14 AP = 1 DPS ;o
      •   Report  Quote Reply I think ur right
        Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by Inflam3s, 1.4 years ago
        On my 19 twink rouge, i am currently duel weilding 2 CB and i was wondering if i should get the SF from the AH.
        Now that i read this i think i will just stick with my 2 barbs instead of spending 200g on a SF.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
        Score 0.00     Vote: [-] [+] by empmike, 1.3 years ago
        Last edit: 1.3 years ago
        Shadowfang is better.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
        Score -2.7     Vote: [-] [+] by meister3, 1.1 years ago
        shadow fang got less dps without the +shadow dmg and not so much more with it and cruel barb is slower And it got 12 attack power that u will get on off hand to so cruel barb is better i think and i been asking loots of ppl about this and all i get is "Shadofang is just better thats it" and no real answer and i realy hate that when ppl says its better but not why?

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      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
        Score 0.56     Vote: [-] [+] by A real hunter, 9.3 months ago
        (I know i am replying to a post from a long time ago)but +4-8 shadow damage actually does do something for a rogue it is damage that is that is not affected by armor.
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
        Score 1.1     Vote: [-] [+] by yinyanman, 6.1 months ago
        30g+ for SF???? wtf, it goes for 600g min in alonsus
      •   Report  Quote Reply Re: Cruel Barb vs. Shadowfang
        Score 0.61     Vote: [-] [+] by nestufunga, 5.2 months ago
        FYI the drop rate of SF if less than .002% so i wuld rather fork out 50+ gold for it then spend endless hours farming the instnace get ur facts right
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