a by Bpinholeworld, Score -2.2 Idiot by gyrum, Score -1.2 Idiot by Duncanbussle, Score -0.46
You DO NOT need the complete set of SC to start this quest. But as it starts with bracers, i assume that if you dont have bracers, then you wont be able to start and you will only be able to quest as far as the order of SC items you have. eg: if the 3rd quest item is belt and you dont have it - you will not be able to go past this quest.
For Alliance. The quest starts in the dwarven kings chambers near the middle of the city, talk to a pretty young lady on the left as you go in.
(http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/cities/ironforge.php)
She will ask you to collect blood off Sabertooths in Winterspring - They can be found to the north of the map.
You return to her with your 15/15 blood. She will then swap your SC bracers for the new DM Bracers and you will have to part with 20g. You do not get to keep the bracers - you hand it over!
She will then tell you a short story and 2 mobs atack you, kill them (real easy!) accept the next quest. This will take you to Gadgatzen where you pick up next quest.
More to follow....
You need to farm 15 venom samples from silithus and return to a guy in threall's chamber with them, as well as 20g and a pair of SC bracers... at which point he will "upgrade" them to darkmantle.
Hello by ziPPPan, Score 0.62
Thrall's Chamber is in Orgrimmar, so that one's just for Horde. If you are Alliance, speak with Daliana in the Throne room in IF. :) And for Alliance, you need Blood Samples from Winterpsring.
After you do the 45 minute baron run (yuck) you got back to the ghost ouside of main strat entrace...talk to him and he asks you for 20 enchanted leather...3 dark iron bars...4 cured rugged hides...3 mooncloth...he then sends you to the DM library, which is in the north instance....down into the lower part on your left there is a door to the library...rogues can sneak right in and pick the door if you have 300 lockpicking...295 might work...the guy in the library is on your left...you should see the yellow question mark over his head. At this point you need to go farm ogres for their beads....alot of ogres...and I mean ALOT of ogres...I have killed 47 ogres, I have 3 beads....i hear the drop rate is better in LBRS. That is all for now..
ok by Kreznoll, Score 0.62
DM
str: 57
stam: 97
agi: 184
armor: 1047 (+200)
% hit: 2
% crit: 1
+ atp: 40
+ 8 to all ress
proc on melee to restore 35 energy (probably around 2-5%)
+ 200 armor
Increase stealth
NS
str: 50
stam: 134
agi: 189
armor: 1152
Fire res: 31
Shadow res: 24
% hit: 2
% crit: 5
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish ability by 30 sec
Increases your maximum Energy by 10
Heals the rogue for 500 when Vanish is performed
Not easy to tell really, i got full NS on my rogue, but i still have SC in bank, quests are going to be done asap to convert them to DM..
DM i would take for solo work, pvp maybe
NS in group work i guess.. or only for instances:P
Anyways the stats are now up!
wrong by bannedrogue, Score 0.63
the order is
1. bracers
2. belt and gloves
3. shoulders legs and boots
4. helm and chest
Who says you have to buy it?
Here's the breakdown....
SHADOWCRAFT
Armor: 978
Strength: 43
Agility: 157
Stamina: 87
Spirit: 36
Durability: 450
Equip Bonuses: None
Set Bonuses:
2 Pieces = +200 armor
4 Pieces = +40 Attack Power
6 Pieces = Class specific bonus
8 Pieces = +8 to all resistances
DARKMANTLE
Armor: 1047
Strength: 57
Agility: 184
Stamina: 97
Spirit: 0
Durability: 495
Set Bonuses:
Cap = +1% Crit
Tunic = +2% Hit
Belt = Inc. stealth level
Set Bonuses:
2 Pieces = +8 resistances
4 Pieces = Class specific bonus
6 Pieces = +40 Attack Power
8 Pieces = +200 Armor
Upgrading from Shadowcraft to Darkmantle provides the following:
--69 more Armor
--14 more Strength (14 more AP for Rogues)
--27 more Agility (27 mor AP - almost 2% Dodge and 1% crit)
--10 more Stamina (100 more HP)
--36 LESS Spiri
--45 more Durability
--41 more Attack Power for Rogues from the greater Str and Agi (not too shabby when also combined w/ the new +40 AP set bonus - that's 81 more AP than the original Shadowcraft)
Side Note - I appreciate Blizz's work w/ the set bonuses on these new/updated armor sets...how you gain the set bonus back soon after losing it as the set bonuses from SC to DM are reveresed...that's a nice lil' bonus for everyone swapping out there armor.
So for those of us who are casual gamers and haven't got the time to grind in MC for Nightslayer, this is a vialble set. Add a few choice enchants to this set (+Agi to gloves and boots - +4 to all stats on chest - get 2 librams for +AGI to head and legs and this set becomes almost as good as Nightslayer, but with lesser set bonuses. For casual gamers, that's a nice upgrade, and can easily be attained through regular questing....not 40 man raid group farming.
Good by Gloomily, Score 0.62 sooooo by Lusifron, Score 0.62
Pic by fruitywork07, Score -0.24
http://www.wowwiki.com/Tier_0.5 is a great resource for these quests. It lists all the quest givers, items needed, quests, etc... It is a work in progress since people still haven't finished all the quests but it is up to part 4. People will update it with latest and greatest info as it is acquired.
OMFG, 5-manning Strat UD in 45 minutes or less? Are they kidding? How in the name of Zeus' butthole are you supposed to get to the Baron in 45 minutes wearing only Dungeon 1 set items in a 5-man? Blizzard said they nerfed the instance, but there seem to be just as many mobs now as there were before 1.10. I just finished a 5-man with some guildmates and we had a mix of blue and purple gear, some of it significantly better than Dungeon 1 set items and it still took us 30 minutes just to down the Baroness (1st miniboss in Strat UD).
And Blizzard expects us to get to the baron in 45 minutes from the second gate? Are they out of their minds???
Yeah, if you wipe, you can carry on, but so what? Isnt the point of this quest to do it BEFORE you go to MC and get epics? And if you already have epics to do this in 45 minutes, why bother with getting inferior items?
My point is, unles you have already-heavily geared people willing to help you, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of finishing this quest in 45 minutes. And the point of this whole questline was to get people with no access to MC epics a chance to upgrade. The problem is, a 5-man geared in Dungeon 1 set items has no chance of finishing this quest in time. Plain and simple.
Either Blizzard made this Strat UD quest too difficult or they neglected to nerf Stratholme, which is pretty much the same thing. Blizz screwed up. I think Blizz rushed 1.10 too quickly and forgot to nerf the instances to make them easier for 5-man groups. As far as I could tell, Strat still has the same number of mobs as it did before 1.10. Expecting a 5-man group of ppl in Dungeon 1 items to reach the Baron in 45 minutes is completely unreasonable.
Blizzard screwed up. It's the only conclusion I can come to.
true by Gilithrul, Score 0.62
I completed this tonight without too much difficulty. I will cover the strategy.
My group:
Guild PvP officer (Myself) - Feral Druid (dps for run) - Rank 10 pvp set
Guild Rogue officer - dps - Dungeon set 1
Guild Priest (non-officer) - healing - Incomplete Dungeon set 1
Pick-up Mage - dps/aoe - dungeon set 1
Pick-up Fury Warrior - aggro/dps - blues/greens
It took myself and fellow rogue officer a few nights to figure out the strategy, and there are some important rules.
1. You must pull all the time. Stopping for loot and mana wastes too much time. We greed rolled for everything except for occasional need. Healer must have huge mana pool and should only be drinking when dps'ers are pulling easy mobs.
2. You must skip as many mobs as possible. There are 1 or 2 groups of mobs by each ziggurat that can be avoided, in addition to a number of ghouls in between mini-bosses and the mobs outside of stitches zone.
3. You must communicate effectively. Use TS or another service to keep group moving and to coordinate pulls.
4. When you are done a run (likely the first will not be your last), look at your damage meter. Everyone but healer should be doing dps. If anyone is more than 7% below your best rogue, they should be dropped for next run and replaced with someone else who can put out more dps (only possible exception being the tank for bosses - who must still contribute a large amount of damage).
Wiping typically means you can't make it. For this reason my being a feral was very handy as I was able to make 2nd place on damage meter while having an emergency battle rez for tight spots, and could shift to bear mode to tank if warrior went down during fight.
Of interest to rogues is my conclusion that a tank-class might not be needed at all. With a feral druid, it is likely that you could replace main tank with a 2nd rogue and get the druid to tank mini-bosses and baron provided they can manage aggro. Also, lots and lots of potions can help too.
If you would like any additional details, please ask here.
Taylana of Moonfire Covenant - Bronzebeard server
This run isn't that hard. I did it in a PUG and we did it on our first try. We didnt loot anything except the bosses. All you have to do is engage the Baron in 45 minutes...you don't have to kill him in 45 minutes. Instead of non-stop complaining about everything, why not accept that this is a challenge? Its supposed to be hard. If Blizzard listened to all you crybabies, we would all be wearing Bloodfang, riding epic mounts, clearing MC in 45 minute PUG runs and hunters woudn't have any armor or weapons. Stop complaining...I had fun doing this quest, now I'm grinding ogres for the beads...for all the players who aren't having their mommies write Blizzard to nerf this questline, give it a try...just dont loot the bodies, that save a lot of time. The set bonuses aren't that great, but its decent while trying to get your tier 1 stuff.
I got one run through DM north and got about 17 beads cause no one else needed them. after that i couldn't get in another north group so i started killing the ogres right outside. when i finally got all my beads i had made about 30g not including blues and greens that dropped along the way. plus i had enough runecloth to choke a whale. And i was only killing the mages. the guys with the two axes kept killing me :(
add: The 45 minute run was fun. had a pally in tier 2 and a blubie fury warrior, wiped once. and engaged with 30 seconds to spare
Grar by neferiel, Score 0.00
I looks realy nice, but i wonder how much it all wil cost total ? 20g for the first item, i think i will increase with each item, so you will be maybe spebd a total of 200g for the items and it isn`t that much better then SC !
sigh by neferiel, Score 0.62
its the same bloke who gets you another quest for the belt and gloves quest.
its a toughie though, he sends you to gadgetstan and from there you get another quest to get a SHIT load of mats which cost about 160-180g or about a weeks worth of farming.
ive just completed this part, and now i have to go kill 12 ghosts in silithus, 12 in winterspring and 12 in EPL. ill do this tonight =)
stfu! by Poisone, Score -1.3
man... manners...
i dont pvp neither... none of my items are pvp rewards...
And you didnt get my point. why should I go in instances and roll need on on items i never gonna use... there are ppl out there who only roll need on things they really neeed. i know its hard to imagine...
My only complain is why the different upgrades have to depend from each other...
Just imagine the situation... i am there in Scarlet red in my wyrmtongue shoulders(with ZG enchant on it) and i roll a need for SC shoulders... or in my Muggers belt for sc belt, or in bracers of eclipse for sc bracers... and so on. especially that every item is enchanted to hell.
care to think about how everyone will scream NINJA?
and blizz forces me to do so...
thats the problem
err? by wretchedz, Score 0.00
I started this questline today, and are allready shocked about the time and money effort I've put into this so far, and I just have my bracers upgraded!
I bought the SC bracers of AH since I cba to grind instances for them. Probably gonna buy the belt and gloves too.
So far, I've built the Ectoplasmic Distiller, and have spent roughly 160g+, and even had the most expensive materials in my bank!
Rumours say that the total cost of upgrading from SC to DM is 600g-800g, depending on server prices. If you are going to do this solo, it takes both time and a hell of a lot grinding/earning money if you're not ebaying.
As for the 45 min strat baron run, I'm lucky enough to know a few peeps that would lend me a hand, but that's me.
How about trying to pull that of with a random group? Cant really see that happening at all.
they changed it to bind on equip
hmm by colunani, Score 0.62
strat by Curufin(NL), Score -0.69
What you really need for it is to have casters and healers who won't stop to drink for mana. Buy mana potions, for instance. Lots of them. Keep chain pulling, don't stop fighting mobs ever. Don't abuse on heals and AoE to save mana. Don't stop to loot bosses, use the need/greed system built into the game. Skip evey pull that you can skip. Those little things are enough to make the run in 45 min. If you can do it less than 30 with a 10 man on the non-nerfed instance, you can do it in 45 with 5 man on the nerfed.
Oh, yeah. And bring the medallion from Strat Live to make the fight against the Baron easier.
People should have learned to pull like this starting from lvl 20. Speed=better period, you shouldn't be spending 1 1/2-2hours in any of these zones. Casters don't need 100% mana to pull, and they don't need to start bombing mobs as soon as they reach the group. Let melee pull, casters can rest for a few seconds when the fight starts and then get up and do their thing.
, by Thottbotchar, Score 0.00 question by destromath-south, Score 0.63 uh.. by crsh1976, Score 0.62
DM? by destromath-south, Score 0.62 O_o by Kracus, Score 0.62
yo by hoggard, Score 0.62
Yah...... I'm of the opinion that this run is next to impossible with a pug and without vent/TS. I tried it with about 4-5 pugs and one of them was semisuccessful at 50 mins. Finally a few of my guildies caught up to this point in the quest with me and we roped a mage and priest from our guild in as well.
1 DPS Fury tank, wrath helm/quel and bunch of MC epics
1 Prot tank, lots of MC epics, also with wrath helm and quel
1 frost mage, lots of MC epics,
1 Priest (not sure spec), lots of MC epics including Benediction
Me 50% combat, 50% subtlety rogue, 5 epics, none of them MC (DM gloves, felstriker, onyx tooth pendant, darkmoon card: maelstrom, shifting cloak)
We did the first run as almost a practice run and wiped once due to us accidentally aggroing a group of mobs we were trying to skip. The second run, baron went down with 2 minutes left. What I'd recommend is kind of like what we did. Take the same group twice and don't even watch the timer the first time. Take your time and map out a mobgroup path. While Malleki himself is easy, the pathing through the mobs just after him is probably the trickiest part. As they said earlier, let casters/healers drink while melee takes the easy pulls. Also, to save yourself some time, we were having our priest give our mage a bubble and take the whole ziggurats on his own while the 3 melees and the priest moved onto the next groups of mobs.
I really have no clue how Blizz expects a group in full Dungeon Set 1 to complete this. Our second run, we didn't F up once and as I said, we only had 2 minutes left. Sure, this would be easy for full Tier 2, but for Dungeon Set 1 going for DS2 I think it's crazy. The feeling of accomplishment you get when this is behind your back is like none other, though. Good luck.
-Vormulac (Burning Legion)
. by Thottbotchar, Score 0.62
Hah. by fulken, Score 0.00 idiot by squigipapa, Score 0.00 mmh by Acrylic, Score 0.00
Did 45 min run last night with my guild. Easy.
we had all 60's:
1 warrior
2 rogue's
1 paladin (me)
1 priest
Tactic is easy: Go for DPS and never stop. We didn't loot but u can since we had time enough.
First kill the spider, then the banshee, then the humanoid. That way u can skip most mobs. Be sure to pull the next group before the previous one is down. After each of the three bosses u got just enough time to take a mana drink while the rest starts pulling again.
After the humanoid things will get fun: all drink a swiftness potion (they should be easy to get), rogue's don't of course. Then from the humanoid boss ALL RUN PAST THE GATE (where the venom belchers are and that closes after u pull the first 1. Once u pass it, the paladin has to DI (divine intervention) the priest (or druid). All die and the priest will rezz. This way we skipped at least 6 mobs.
The rest should be easy since it's the normal way to do a baron run.
Keep in mind that u need a paladin for this that knows how to use DI and some swiftness potions. Other tip, get a enchanter to join since u can't take time to loot bosses. Boss drops every1 passes, the enchanter greeds and if some1 needs they just need. After the run the enchanter can DE all and every1 can roll for that.
last but not least, to let u know how easy it was:
45 minutes-spider-banshee- WE WHIPED!! -humanoid-rammstein-baron ==> 5 minutes left (so we did it in 40 minutes with a whipe!!)
DON'T GIVE UP IF U WHIPE, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE!
Punica, 60 paladin, Dunemaul server,
Guild Ethereal Crusader
Do the partial set bonuses only work if you are wearing partial SC?
If not, then could you use 4 pieces of DM along with 3 pieces of Stormshroud and have 2 chances for the energy proc? It seems nice in theory. Probably too nice?
SS + DM by Mechsterbator, Score 0.26
This is a note to those interested in making it quicker. It requires a healer and a Warlock or Druid battle rez. After the last zig (pally boss), SS the healer, pop swiftness potions and run like hell to the last gate. Rez up and fight the aboms. This will skip at least 4-5 groups of mobs. We did it and had 15 minutes to kill Ramstein, skellies etc. Hope that helps
You wish, think BRD hounds. You will not get by.
asdf by kaiverrettuh, Score 0.00 yea by Kracus, Score 0.62
I think this is the High-End Rogue set for Lone Rogues (unguilded notfr plyrs)(like me)
But 600g-800g!! & ...
GL !
I deleted my last post because it was long and it boiled down to the following points:
1. DM not worth the effort. Set bonuses are the same as SC. Set bonuses are actually worse since the good stats are at the wrong end. That chance to add energy happens about once per three fights. Bonus in stats is minimal.
2. SC should be green. SC is not the best equipment a casual gamer can get. Most blue items are better.
3. The upgrade is 20+ hours of un-fun farming and running around. Once you’re done, you will not be anymore entertained by the game.
4. If you are a casual gamer like me (less than 8hours a week) devote your time to the NS set. It doesn't take much longer than DM. You'll want to upgrade to NS immediately following the last DM piece you get anyways.
I look at it like a form of entertainment and if I'm not entertained I'm wasting my money.
Possible solutions to what I see as a problem:
1. Make the SC and DM set better.
2. Make the upgrade more entertaining while keeping it 'difficult'. Something that is difficult is completely different than something time consuming and remedial (farming). One possibly would require the player to duel the quest giver one on one. The quest giver would of course be hard to kill and matched to the classes weaknesses. Then sent the player on a quest that challenges the class talents…in the rogues case stealth run…pickpocket items with hound patrols roaming and traps to detect and disarm (It would be nice to actually use that skill). All solo.
I'm sure someone will argue with me, but hey...it's just my opinion. If you have a better idea or reason to argue please at least post your reasons instead of the ol’:
U SUX BTW. REROLL A HUNTER!! L8TR NOOB!!
Thanks for spending the time reading my complaint.
?? by vandzura, Score 0.30
Owned by Kracus, Score 0.00
Neva fear!!
They buffed the PvP gear!!!
lol. Seriously, i like the DM gear, the 2/8 set bonus of +8 to all resists is sick, thats why I'm wearing just the bracers and gloves. (That, and the fact that i neva really collected SC bak in the day). Just go for a balance, you neva need to choose 8/8 of this set, or 8/8 of that. Just get as many good items without being greedy, and god sakes dont rush it. Rogues do fine against 8/8 Tier 2 ppl with just having a handful of epics, we prolly benefited the most from the Tier .5 upgrades.
ps. Disarm traps is used in BWL for one boss. *cough* Not the boss himself ... but its used LOL. I dont know if you can pick pocket teh epix tho. hehe
Aight by wtfimba, Score 0.00
.... by ejgoody, Score 0.63
Here's an in game pic of a male night elf in Darkmantle:
boots by robbin_89, Score -0.34 bonus by Spookz1, Score 0.62
bonus by Spookz1, Score 0.63 Nah by neltarion, Score 0.62
I've loved this set. Our guild has grown and I've worn this armor for a bit now and it has been a big help.
I've done what I could to boost it with enchants, put the ZG enchant on the legs, +7 Str to bracers, +3 to stats on the chest, +7 agility on gloves and for fun the minor speed enchant on boots. I'm going to try to get another zg enchant for the head and when I get exalted that ZG enchant to shoulders.
I didn't go for stamina because I like to play my rogue for max damage.
However, I've started switching out items for raid. I currently put on the Madcap shoulders and the Boots of the vanguard from AQ20. Though I'll switch the full DM set back on when I'm soloing for dodge chance increase.
Now that we are in MC and will be doing Ony, I'm noticing how the improvements to that gear is not a huge boost. Just making me realize how good this set is. And since I'm the only rogue with the gear I'm planning on letting other rogues get their NS stuff first and I'll only be aiming for the BF hood and leggings when we down rag. Eventually I'll collect 5 pieces of NS, but I don't want to bother much cause for me the difference between NS and BF is PvP vs PvE. Though an upgrade is an upgrade.
I'm also glad that the tier 3 armor will have an +energy set bonus. Because that does wonders for me now. I'm not looking forward to wearing newer armor with out that bonus lol I can count on my hand how many times I've popped a thistle tea in the last 2 months.
imo, that is understandable, the horde rogue set looks fairly shoddy. the alliance looks ok tho, although not much differance from marshall's vestment and leuiutennant commander's vestment (the bootes look different in game, that is all)
The SC/DM sets are good, well-balanced sets for rogues. Sure, the stats are not as good as the T1+ sets, but they are good nonetheless. The AGI and STR bonuses in conjunction with the +40 AP help make this set put out some respectable DPS, especially with the new rogue talent tree (Subtlety +15% Agi). Also, the +35 energy proc is helpful in a way that can not be measued. It procs often, I'd say about once every 20 hits or so, and helps put out that 5 dotted Eviscerate that much quicker, or helps you get in another Sinister Strike 5 seconds before you were expecting it. The quests to upgrade to this set are a bit expensive, but they are also challenging and fun.
DM is decent, well-rounded armor. Combine it with some +AP/STA/crit trinkets and jewelry and you have a great set for PVP or PVE (though a bit more stamina would make it much better for PVP).
Would I like to upgrade to T1/T2?- of course. They ARE better sets. Unfortunately, I don't have time to run MC/BW etc... Let alone put up w/all the bs that goes along with belonging to a serious guild that would run these instances regularly and succesfully. To boot, there is a lot of competition out there for the T1+ sets. Once you've got the full SC set, you can get this set at your own pace, without worrying about ninjas or someone outbidding you on the T1+ items.
My only complaint about this set is how it looks. Blizzard could of put a bit more effort into it. They just changed the color of the SC armor and made it glow in certain areas (seems a bit counter-productive for a rogue).
I've got 3/8 right now and am working on the 45min. baron run. can't wait to get the boots, pants and shoulders.
Helpful suggestion: get an extra pair of SC bracers so you can still get the 6piece energy proc bonus once you get the DM gloves and belt.
Ok I did the bracer quest a while back and I remember her telling me a story and fighting the the guys who jumped us but now I've gone back to get the other quest from her and she doesn't have anything for me.
you might be at the part where you need to talk to the guy near the master engineer guy in the hut near the teleporter in gadgetzan i forget his name
Respect to anyone who has this set. Farming instances to get the Shadowcraft set is bad enough. Not to mention doing just as many instances afterwards, collecting the oddest of mats and traveling the world 80 times over for the upgrade.
I take off my hat
Farmed this out just now at lvl 80. It's a royal bitch as a rogue to do Scholo since you don't have spells, but I got lucky with the helm.
Otherwise this set is a royal bitch to get. I spent about 8 hours alone just traveling/figuring out/getting oldschool mats in order to upgrade.
The result? Great. I have an entire lvl 60 set with full darkmantle that is really freakin great looking, but this set is not for the weak-hearted. It takes a lot of farming for the SC to drop and even more work with the quests. Mostly are soloable. You definitely want a mage buddy for this (portals).
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